Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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That twitter account is anything but "pro-ukrainian", despite his pleading that he is. And Twitter users rightfuly call him on it for the past year.
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If I'm converting correctly, it was 10 square miles. Maybe you can check my math from square KM to MI.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Sure, where did you get those Km numbers from so I can verify?
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We should all be looking at the same maps. I saw about 25 SQ KM yesterday. What are you seeing?
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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The maps aren't broken down by area gained or lost. Would you mind showing me where that tab is?
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Maybe, just maybe, no one wants to pretend to be up on your witness stand? Surely you can go look up whatever number/source you want, and have a territorial control mapping source that meets your standard, whatever it may be? I don't speak for anyone else but appreciate the thread for the dialog with others, not some game of 'got ya' or rooting on the death of a people.



Konstantinovka was liberated in a few hours, with little resistance.



What the fall of Pokrovsk could mean.



Sitrep (from yesterday).
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Maybe, just maybe, no one wants to pretend to be up on your witness stand? Surely you can go look up whatever number/source you want, and have a territorial control mapping source that meets your standard, whatever it may be? I don't speak for anyone else but appreciate the thread for the dialog with others, not some game of 'got ya' or rooting on the death of a people.
Amen.

Straining gnats to swallow camels. LOL
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Seeing Alex Soros in Ukraine should close the book on any red blooded American's support of their leadership/government. Look at what they are doing not what they are saying. It's no coincidence that the same people that are trying to destroy America and American ideals from within are front and center in Ukraine.
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Maybe, just maybe, no one wants to pretend to be up on your witness stand? Surely you can go look up whatever number/source you want, and have a territorial control mapping source that meets your standard, whatever it may be? I don't speak for anyone else but appreciate the thread for the dialog with others, not some game of 'got ya' or rooting on the death of a people.

He made a claim regarding actual square km gained by Russia. I simply asked where he found that data.
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Arestovich posted this map on X:


(Not sure if below is the right translation, he posted in what I think is Ukrainian):
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Well, the Kursk holiday is slowly fading into the background:
- the enemy cut off the Pokrovsk-Karlovka highway.

His intentions are obvious:
- that is why the Pokrovsky ledge is being driven in, in order to cut off Kurakhovsky and Toretsky with flank attacks.
Thus (if he succeeds) the enemy will seize the central regions of the Donetsk region, which are also the southern ones that are still under our control.

Unclear at this time:
- Will the enemy have enough strength to carry out these plans without additional mobilization?
- Do we have enough strength to counter these plans with our own, with or without mobilization?

However, the pace of its advance in the Pokrovsky direction can no longer be described as anything other than an "operational crisis."

The state of affairs is such that even the top headquarters in the Donetsk direction have a poor understanding of:
a) what is happening?
b) Is Headquarters going to do anything about this?


There does seem to be a bit of a collapse taking place:
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This is the image from your Twitter link



This is a google earth screenshot of the distance from there to Adviika which the Russians had advance on last January.



17 miles in 8 months in a front a few miles wide. So you can see why we question area gained and where it' sourced. It simply doesn't add up to the geography.

This is also why Russian government twitter mouthpieces use close up maps to show Russian advances. An overall shot of their area highlights their ineptitude.
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So Kursk invasion pretty much a failure ? And UKE continues to lose ground in the east ?
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I believe the Russian MOD and their handlers on Twitter have said that not only is it a failure, but it has actually made Russia stronger.
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Along with Biden, Abromovich, and a host of others.
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So Kursk invasion pretty much a failure ? And UKE continues to lose ground in the east ?


A failure according to whom? It's resulted in Ukrainian prisoners from Russia's illegal invasion being returned to Ukraine, and now it's also resulting in Russian troops being pulled from the frontline.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4849606-russia-troops-ukraine-frontlines/amp/
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Bulge, pocket, collapse, I dunno, but the defenses around this area seem to not be doing well:



2 of the 5 transformers on the Kiev hydroelectric plant noted as hit. I'd expect further strikes if true.

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Any information you have on the situation in Belarus that you can share in your morning update would be appreciated.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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I see things here and there about Belarus, as far as a mobilization/threat to invade Ukraine or saber rattling, but in general I think that's mostly noise. The issue is just that the Russians (and Belarus folks) want to use it as a threat, but the Belarusian army is…largely a token/for show/parade type of force (though a large one). They use it for absurd demonstrations straight out of the movie Stripes sometimes, but it's not really very mobile/deployable (logistics are poor), and they need it to keep their subjects in line back home, so they also really don't want to send any of it into real combat in Ukraine (or what is left of the stronger Kiev units around Kiev itself).



Sitrep: Tangible panic grows in UFA.
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It's almost pointless even updating the exact captures and advances anymore because right now they're simply happening so fast that within hours of the Sitrep's release, the information is already obsolete, and Russians have advanced even more. But suffice it to say, this time there were even several major captures in areas other than Pokrovsk.

Russian forces captured the remainder of Konstantinovka on the Ugledar line:
He touches on the Belarus forces and then as to Zelensky's goal with the Kursk PR campaign to 'topple Putin' notes the abject failure;
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The number of people dissatisfied with what is happening in Russia has dropped to a historic low.

Only 12% of respondents to the July poll by the Levada Center* said they were not satisfied with the life they were currently leading. This is the lowest figure ever.
And that's from the pro-Western NGO 'Levada Center' at that.

In conclusion: Ukraine's thinking is admirableafter all, toppling Putin is a far more rationally plausible goal than defeating the Russian Army on the battlefield. But despite some setbacks and minor reputational hits, there's very little chance it will ever come to pass. It's more realistic that Putin might one day fire Gerasimov if such blunders keep accumulating rather than the Russian populace 'rising up' against Putin himself.
More at the link, as they say. Meanwhile…to the last Ukrainian.



So sad.
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So sad.
Yes, it really is, and evil as well. Their master - the Alex Soros's, Biden's, Obama's, the Abromovich's the 'fighting Epstien's' gay/ pedo cult. Nazi's (I nearly forgot their strange partners, the Neocons, MIC, CIA) - would fight the Russian's to the last white Christian American as well.

And that is where they are trying to take this.

So, here is question for those like Ags with Kids.

Are you willing to fight the Russians with your own kids?!?

"only one thing is important!"
Teslag
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No need to. They are fighting just fine with a pittance in our defense budget.
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Teslag said:

No need to. They are fighting just fine with a pittance in our defense budget.
Ah no, they are not, they will lose WITHOUT real Nato/US intervention. It's just a matter of time.

So are you good with an allowance of approving Ukraine to use US made advance weapons to strike into Russia?

Curious, do you have any kids Tesla?
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Ah no, they are not, they will lose WITHOUT real Nato/US intervention. It's just a matter of time.

We keep hearing this and nothing changes.


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So are you good with an allowance of approving Ukraine to use US made advance weapons to strike into Russia?
Yes, especially if Russia intends to keep purposely targeting civilians with long range weapons.


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Curious, do you have any kids Tesla?
"only one thing is important!"

Yes. And they are under no threat to ever go to Ukraine. I'm also currently serving in the US military.
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Teslag said:


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Ah no, they are not, they will lose WITHOUT real Nato/US intervention. It's just a matter of time.

We keep hearing this and nothing changes.


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So are you good with an allowance of approving Ukraine to use US made advance weapons to strike into Russia?
Yes, especially if Russia intends to keep purposely targeting civilians with long range weapons.


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Curious, do you have any kids Tesla?
"only one thing is important!"

Yes. And they are under no threat to ever go to Ukraine. I'm also currently serving in the US military.
Ok, and you know that how? Are a high ranking general? You have been wrong so much.

Literally been like this guy:





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Ok, and you know that how?

I can look at a map and a calendar.
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And please answer my question, Are you for giving Ukraine permission to make advanced weapons strike into Russia?

Here is the reality. The Pedo/cult Nazi western backed government of Ukraine will lose UNLESS THEY CAN GET the US/NATO. (Pedo NWO) to:

1> Allow them to use advanced weapons to strike into Russia, (kind of like Iran using the Hezbollah in Israel) and we just assume that Russia is just going to lay back and take it and not respond at all. (Very risky).

2> commit hard assests (boots and resources) to the fray.

There is not other way for Ukraine to win. PERIOD.
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And please answer my question, Are you for giving Ukraine permission to make advanced weapons strike into Russia?

I literally quoted your question and said yes in the previous post.

And define "win".
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we just assume that Russia is just going to lay back and take it and not respond at all. (Very risky

Russia isn't going to nuke us or anyone else over Ukraine. And they don't have the ability to do anything conventionally.
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I can look at a map and a calendar.
Oh wow, I can stand down and rest easy now. LOL

Teslag, the great, has declared that we have nothing to worry about because he can read a map and look at a calendar.
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Russia isn't going to nuke us or anyone else over Ukraine. And they don't have the ability to do anything conventionally.
If we allow the Uke's to strike in Russia, Russia is going to respond. PERIOD,

And if those strikes really start taking a toll then yes Russia will use nukes.

And you are so wrong so much, as I said, Reed McKenzie IV wrong (old rivalries posters will know what that means. LOL)
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And define "win".
I have already defined win. Many times. Not wasting my time doing so again.
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Teslag
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If Ukraine exists in much their present form along current lines as a member of NATO they win. And that is very likely and probable at this point.
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So sad.
Yes, it really is, and evil as well. Their master - the Alex Soros's, Biden's, Obama's, the Abromovich's the 'fighting Epstien's' gay/ pedo cult. Nazi's (I nearly forgot their strange partners, the Neocons, MIC, CIA) - would fight the Russian's to the last white Christian American as well.

And that is where they are trying to take this.

So, here is question for those like Ags with Kids.

Are you willing to fight the Russians with your own kids?!?



I'm quite content with the the Ukrainians fighting them with our weapons.

This is the best situation for us. Degrade the Russian military and put zero US soldiers in harms way.
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OPAG said:

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Russia isn't going to nuke us or anyone else over Ukraine. And they don't have the ability to do anything conventionally.
If we allow the Uke's to strike in Russia, Russia is going to respond. PERIOD,

And if those strikes really start taking a toll then yes Russia will use nukes.

And you are so wrong so much, as I said, Reed McKenzie IV wrong (old rivalries posters will know what that means. LOL)
The Ukrainians are LITERALLY holding Russian territory at the moment and Russia has responded how???
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