Putin can de-escalate this at any time of his choosing.

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And please answer my question, Are you for giving Ukraine permission to make advanced weapons strike into Russia?

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I literally quoted your question and said yes in the previous post.

And define "win".

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This is what everyone that has been opposed to Ukraine funding has said from the get go.

The Ukraine fanboys need to define the terms of victory.

Period

Yall are the ones begging for unlimited aid and escalation.

So YOU tell US what the goals are here.

It's not our job to tell you what we want accomplished because we are against funding this **** show.

The onus is on YOU to tell us WHY the investment of untraceable money amd material is necessary, what the goals are, and how a "win" would be defined.

Per usual, u have this assbackwards my dude.

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Well said.

We've been "degrading Russia"' for a couple years now, yet they are still advancing with no end in sight. Ukraine has not been able to stop their advance since the counter offensive stalled. And the pace has increased in recent weeks.

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And please answer my question, Are you for giving Ukraine permission to make advanced weapons strike into Russia?

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I literally quoted your question and said yes in the previous post.

And define "win".

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This is what everyone that has been opposed to Ukraine funding has said from the get go.

The Ukraine fanboys need to define the terms of victory.

Period

Yall are the ones begging for unlimited aid and escalation.

So YOU tell US what the goals are here.

It's not our job to tell you what we want accomplished because we are against funding this **** show.

The onus is on YOU to tell us WHY the investment of untraceable money amd material is necessary, what the goals are, and how a "win" would be defined.

Per usual, u have this assbackwards my dude.

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Well said.

We've been "degrading Russia"' for a couple years now, yet they are still advancing with no end in sight. Ukraine has not been able to stop their advance since the counter offensive stalled. And the pace has increased in recent weeks.

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They've taken a few hundred square miles over the past year and a half. And lost myriad assets and personnel doing it.

Ukraine has taken more land than that from Russia in the past month.

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And please answer my question, Are you for giving Ukraine permission to make advanced weapons strike into Russia?

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I literally quoted your question and said yes in the previous post.

And define "win".

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This is what everyone that has been opposed to Ukraine funding has said from the get go.

The Ukraine fanboys need to define the terms of victory.

Period

Yall are the ones begging for unlimited aid and escalation.

So YOU tell US what the goals are here.

It's not our job to tell you what we want accomplished because we are against funding this **** show.

The onus is on YOU to tell us WHY the investment of untraceable money amd material is necessary, what the goals are, and how a "win" would be defined.

Per usual, u have this assbackwards my dude.

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Who is saying this?

Territorial defense units being tossed by UFA into Kursk pocket? LOL.

❗️🇷🇺🇺🇦 Kursk direction

Localized fighting continues in Kursk region in several areas, Ukrainian forces do not stop their attempts to advance and accumulate forces.

As reinforcement units, the enemy introduces units of the Territorial Defense into the territory of the Russian… pic.twitter.com/hAjaIw2IiR

— Rybar Force (@rybar_force) August 29, 2024

Huge shocker, I am sure, to everyone:

⚡️ China and the US have made no progress in discussing a solution to the Ukraine crisis, Sullivan has said.

Biden's national security adviser Sullivan has been in China since 27 August, meeting with Xi Jinping and the Chinese foreign minister.https://t.co/xIwB7ZKw9a pic.twitter.com/F6sMLDctTP

— Zlatti71 (@Zlatti_71) August 29, 2024

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The Ukrainians are LITERALLY holding Russian territory at the moment and Russia has responded how???

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That is entirely different than launching advance weapons into Russian infrastructure.

The Kursh offensive is ultimately a big nothing burger if it does not accomplish what the Pedo/Cabal wants it to do.

Get more Nato aid. And hopefully provoke Russia into launching something in Nato, to illicit a Nato response, (Kind of like a Pearl Harbor type of deal) The Russians will not take the bait.

They know that without massive NATO/US support, Ukraine will fail and they will win, PLain and simple.

My kids will not answer any call to go fight in this war. PERIOD>

When does UKE realize they cannot stop Russia? Russia will eventually control the whole country

I believe you have to separate conceptually the UFA, and Ukrainian populace, from the political/police machine that is the Zelensky regime. The people/army no doubt recognize this, but the regime is not allowed to begin to end the war/negotiate in fact until after our elections. The people are functionally hostages of the blob that runs our intelligence agencies (and especially the Democrat party) until our elections are settled.

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And please answer my question, Are you for giving Ukraine permission to make advanced weapons strike into Russia?

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I literally quoted your question and said yes in the previous post.

And define "win".

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This is what everyone that has been opposed to Ukraine funding has said from the get go.

The Ukraine fanboys need to define the terms of victory.

Period

Yall are the ones begging for unlimited aid and escalation.

So YOU tell US what the goals are here.

It's not our job to tell you what we want accomplished because we are against funding this **** show.

The onus is on YOU to tell us WHY the investment of untraceable money amd material is necessary, what the goals are, and how a "win" would be defined.

Per usual, u have this assbackwards my dude.

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Who is saying this?

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Nobody that I know. It's a strawman.

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When does UKE realize they cannot stop Russia? Russia will eventually control the whole country

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If Russia is so incredibly powerful and Ukraine so hopeless why are they nowhere close to controlling the entire country after two+ years of fighting?

Yep. You can't have that opinion that "Russia will eventually control the whole country" and reconcile it with these maps.

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That is entirely different than launching advance weapons into Russian infrastructure.

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Except that it's not. It's another in a long line of Russian "red lines" that have repeatedly been bluffs as they are broken. Russia is always full of hot air. Threats and propaganda are the only effective weapons they have.

Saying that someone is "always" full of hot air tends to eventually come back to bite you.

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Yep. You can't have that opinion that "Russia will eventually control the whole country" and reconcile it with these maps.

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I have never stated that Russian wins by taking over all of Ukraine. That's you doing what you do, moving the goal post.

Speaking with hubris and confidence does not make you right in your assessments and evaluations.

When I ask you "How do you know" your response is that YOU can read a map and calendar. You are basically telling me that you either have no real sources of what's going on there outside the bloggers and propaganda guys.

Even mentioning the calender in this scenario shows how myopic you are.

You truly believe that Russia is totally incompetent, a pack of idiots, well I know a lot of fools who have believed that over the centuries, all of them lost by the way to those same stupid, inferior Slavs.

Why is that, Hmmm.

Time is on Russia's side here period. Ukraine is getting drained, but you don't see that.

You just don't or don't want to see the realities of what is happening in Ukraine itself.

Russia doesn't have a big desire to take over all of Ukraine. Never did.

They are doing what they want. They want a buffer between them and the NWO pedo cabal wicked west>

That's it.

But you don't see how wicked the West has become, you have what I have said all along a very myopic and stubborn point of view and it totally wrong.

And so is Weatherman and so is Ags with Kids. It is extremely clear what this fore into Kursk is all about.

For Ukraine to win, there are only two possibilities.

1. Get West/Nato/US boots on the ground actually engaging - (like we did in Vietnam) - Russian's, That my friend is going to lead to a massive escalation and yea, the Ruskies will respond to it, they must respond to it. YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE RUSSIAN MINDSET IF YOU THINK THEY WONT.

2. Try to provoke Russia into making a strike against NATO that is supplying all this stuff to Ukraine.

Here is the reality without support from the west, this is over tomorrow! Or would you deny that?

Again if the roles were reversed, and China or Russia, was supply Mexico with weapons and making strikes with those weapons inside the US, what would our response be?

We know what it would be.

Your answer is to this is that Russia is incompetent and can't do anything about it?

Yea that is like really stupid, Play those games with your kids, not mine!

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The poster we were replying to, did in fact say that Russia would take over all of Ukraine.

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Again if the roles were reversed, and China or Russia, was supply Mexico with weapons and making strikes with those weapons inside the US, what would our response be?

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Irrelevant because we wouldn't invade Mexico in an unprovoked land grab in the first place.

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Irrelevant because we wouldn't invade Mexico in an unprovoked land grab in the first place.

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LOL From the Mexican point of view we already did that. You do know what the war with Mexico was about yes.


What if Mexica, decides they want back what they feel was their that we took from them? Hmmm

Yes, that was over 150 years ago. Completely irrelevant to where we sit today.

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Yes, that was over 150 years ago. Completely irrelevant to where we sit today.

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Really, just because you say it's irrelevant doesn't mean it is.

Let's say China and Russia want to form a NATO type alliance with Mexico and then arm them with missiles and nukes to point at us form our southern border.

You think we would be good with that?

Well we have historical precedence for that scenario as well>

The point is you are being very hypocritical here.

The US has been dropping bombs on a lot of people since WWII in the name of 'supporting democracy'. When in reality it is just the cabal/NWO seeking to eliminate anyone who is against their agenda.

I have seen this in about every arena, financial, medical, you name it. They control it.

But you can't see that, Or you don't want to see that.

Ukraine is just one piece of a bigger picture here. It has created very strange bedfellows and served as a fulcrum of division for those (the white Christians) who should normally be friends.

What is said, Russia could of been a great ally and almost unbreakable alliance of the white Christian peoples. And that my friend was totally unacceptable to the Obama's, Soros's, and the NWO.

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Let's China and Russia want to form a NATO alliance with Mexico and then arm them with missiles and nukes to point at us form our southern border.

You think we would be good with that?

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We would not be justified in invading them, purposely targeting their civilians, holding "elections" in Chihuahua, Coahuila, Sonora etc to merge them into the United States as a pure land grab for that scenario, no.

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Yep. You can't have that opinion that "Russia will eventually control the whole country" and reconcile it with these maps.

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I have never stated that Russian wins by taking over all of Ukraine. That's you doing what you do, moving the goal post.

Speaking with hubris and confidence does not make you right in your assessments and evaluations.

When I ask you "How do you know" your response is that YOU can read a map and calendar. You are basically telling me that you either have no real sources of what's going on there outside the bloggers and propaganda guys.

Even mentioning the calender in this scenario shows how myopic you are.

You truly believe that Russia is totally incompetent, a pack of idiots, well I know a lot of fools who have believed that over the centuries, all of them lost by the way to those same stupid, inferior Slavs.

Why is that, Hmmm.

Time is on Russia's side here period. Ukraine is getting drained, but you don't see that.

You just don't or don't want to see the realities of what is happening in Ukraine itself.

Russia doesn't have a big desire to take over all of Ukraine. Never did.

They are doing what they want. They want a buffer between them and the NWO pedo cabal wicked west>

That's it.

But you don't see how wicked the West has become, you have what I have said all along a very myopic and stubborn point of view and it totally wrong.

And so is Weatherman and so is Ags with Kids. It is extremely clear what this fore into Kursk is all about.

For Ukraine to win, there are only two possibilities.

1. Get West/Nato/US boots on the ground actually engaging - (like we did in Vietnam) - Russian's, That my friend is going to lead to a massive escalation and yea, the Ruskies will respond to it, they must respond to it. YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE RUSSIAN MINDSET IF YOU THINK THEY WONT.

2. Try to provoke Russia into making a strike against NATO that is supplying all this stuff to Ukraine.

Here is the reality without support from the west, this is over tomorrow! Or would you deny that?

Again if the roles were reversed, and China or Russia, was supply Mexico with weapons and making strikes with those weapons inside the US, what would our response be?

We know what it would be.

Your answer is to this is that Russia is incompetent and can't do anything about it?

Yea that is like really stupid, Play those games with your kids, not mine!

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The most likely situation for a resolution here is that the lines end up pretty close to where they are after the election, Ukraine joins NATO and gives up the Donbas and Crimea permanently and if they somehow still have a hold of the Kursk region they give that back too.

The chances of the US being involved on the ground are basically zero because it only happens if Russia attacks Poland or another NATO country and he's not crazy/stupid enough to do that. And the chances of a draft are even less than zero, so no one is playing games with anyone's kids, whatever that means.

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We would not be justified in invading them, purposely targeting their civilians, holding "elections" in Chihuahua, Coahuila, Sonora etc to merge them into the United States as a pure land grab for that scenario, no.

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Oh my, we have 'invaded' all kinds of folk, toppled governments that we did not believe were in our best interest.

Yet, we have had the NWO/Cabal/Pedo NWO - just open our borders any way.

And we were just as wrong for doing it as Russia is now.

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And that there is the issue. And you are looking at that from the angle that the NWO/ CABAL wants peace in Ukraine?

They could of had that settlement a long time ago. They didn't want it then and they don't want it now.

As we have seen here, you and others like you are willing to fight the Ruskies to the last Ukrainian.

Well the NWO, Cabal, Biden's Soros are willing to fight the Russian with American blood IF THEY CAN>

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And that there is the issue. And you are looking at that from the angle that the NWO/ CABAL wants peace in Ukraine?

They could of had that settlement a long time ago. They didn't want it then and they don't want it now.

As we have seen here, you and others like you are willing to fight the Ruskies to the last Ukrainian.

Well the NWO, Cabal, Biden's Soros are willing to fight the Russian with American blood IF THEY CAN>

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No settlement was possible because Putin didn't want one that didn't include all of Ukraine. Has nothing to do with whatever mythical cabal you've dreamed up.

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As we have seen here, you and others like you are willing to fight the Ruskies to the last Ukrainian.

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So are the actual Ukrainians. They don't want to be Russians.

Whether you believe me or not, I do know that the Russians informed the US about when, where and why they were going to invade Ukraine. We had great intelligence because they told us.

They was one question posed. Would the US respond directly and with boots.

They were given assurances that the US would not directly get involved.

And guess what Biden was TOLD directly that the US military would NOT put boots on the ground and so that this option should never be brought up.

Still, we are dealing with deeper things then The US vs Russia. or NATO vs RUSSIA, Iran, China and NK.

and when you see that and know that, it will change your perspective. You see things through a new lens, actually the right lens.

The Russians didn't have to tell us they were going to invade. We could literally see them massing invasion forces along the Ukrainian border for months.

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So are the actual Ukrainians. They don't want to be Russians.

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And how pray tell, do you know that. Besides the PR sources?

men are being wiped out, or fleeing or try to hide from getting grabbed and sent to the front.

They are now sending the women in.

If there was a real referendum allowed to vote to continue war or sue for peace, the result would be overwhelming to sue for peace. There is a reason Zelensky suspended (was forced to) the elections. HE WOULD OF BEEN TROUNCED if it was free and fair. The cabal knows this.

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The Russians didn't have to tell us they were going to invade. We could literally see them massing invasion forces along the Ukrainian border for months.

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We knew the time and the day, because they told us.

Just because you amass troops on a boarder does not mean you are going to invade.

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Whether you believe me or not, I do know that the Russians informed the US about when, where and why they were going to invade Ukraine. We had great intelligence because they told us.

They was one question posed. Would the US respond directly and with boots.

They were given assurances that the US would not directly get involved.

And guess what Biden was TOLD directly that the US military would NOT put boots on the ground and so that this option should never be brought up.

Still, we are dealing with deeper things then The US vs Russia. or NATO vs RUSSIA, Iran, China and NK.

and when you see that and know that, it will change your perspective. You see things through a new lens, actually the right lens.

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Of course we weren't going to put troops on the ground in Ukraine, and we definitely shouldn't since they aren't a NATO country. No one needed to tell Putin that, which is why he was attacking them as a way to keep Ukraine out of NATO. The only way to guarantee peace is for what's left of Ukraine to join NATO once this is over.

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If there was a real referendum allowed to vote to continue war or sue for peace, the result would be overwhelming to sue for peace.

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And you accuse us of making unfounded assumptions…


And the Ukrainians fight awfully hard for a people being forced to.

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If there was a real referendum allowed to vote to continue war or sue for peace, the result would be overwhelming to sue for peace.

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And you accuse us of making unfounded assumptions…


And the Ukrainians fight awfully hard for a people being forced to.

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I don't think its fair to say his assumption is unfounded. Recall that Zelensky campaigned on peace, and then started shelling Russians….

Shelling a foreign invader is always fair game. Don't like it? Don't invade a sovereign nation.