TheEternalPessimist said:
Putin should not escalate.
Ukraine should not escalate.
NATO should not escalate.
Pray for peace.
How would Ukraine "escalate"?
TheEternalPessimist said:
Putin should not escalate.
Ukraine should not escalate.
NATO should not escalate.
Pray for peace.
Oh my, he went woke and will soon demand he be called Hilda.Quote:
Putin to announce the end of the special operation tomorrow
J. Walter Weatherman said:TheEternalPessimist said:
Putin should not escalate.
Ukraine should not escalate.
NATO should not escalate.
Pray for peace.
How would Ukraine "escalate"?
Just trying to spin everything to make Russia look like the victim. Don't think anyone outside of Russia believes thisQuote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that Moscow's action in Ukraine was intended to stop a "war" that has raged in eastern Ukraine for many years.
Speaking at a meeting with veterans, Putin said Moscow had long sought to negotiate a settlement to the conflict in Ukraine's Donbas, an eastern industrial region where Russia-backed separatists have battled Ukrainian forces since 2014.
"Large-scale combat operations involving heavy weapons, artillery, tanks and aircraft haven't stopped in Donbas since 2014," Putin said. "All that we are doing today as part of the special military operation is an attempt to stop this war. This is the meaning of our operation protecting people who live on those territories."
Putin insisted again that Russia tried to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the separatist conflict before sending in troops, and said "we were just duped and cheated."
MuchosPollos said:TacosaurusRex said:
I am also interested in what happened in 1991. Can you explain that please? The only thing I can think of was the Wall coming down, but that was in 89 wasn't it?
ETA: The first Gulf War? That fits the time frame, but Russia couldn't do crap to help its ally?
Sorry this, was meant to reply to Mucho.
1991 look it up…..
Again F16 being deliberately obtuse…..at the height of the Cold War the west DIDN'T engage in any malicious attempts or behind the scenes actions to topple the communist USSR??? That's what y'all believe, really?
I've got a bridge to sell if anyone is interested.
Rapier108 said:
We didn't need to do anything to bring down the USSR from the inside.
All we had to do was bankrupt them which Reagan did with his military build up and SDI.
What finished them off was of their own making, Chernobyl going boom.
P.U.T.U said:
Putin said special operation in Ukraine to stop war that has been happening since 2014Just trying to spin everything to make Russia look like the victim. Don't think anyone outside of Russia believes thisQuote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that Moscow's action in Ukraine was intended to stop a "war" that has raged in eastern Ukraine for many years.
Speaking at a meeting with veterans, Putin said Moscow had long sought to negotiate a settlement to the conflict in Ukraine's Donbas, an eastern industrial region where Russia-backed separatists have battled Ukrainian forces since 2014.
"Large-scale combat operations involving heavy weapons, artillery, tanks and aircraft haven't stopped in Donbas since 2014," Putin said. "All that we are doing today as part of the special military operation is an attempt to stop this war. This is the meaning of our operation protecting people who live on those territories."
Putin insisted again that Russia tried to negotiate a peaceful settlement to the separatist conflict before sending in troops, and said "we were just duped and cheated."
Brittmoore Car Club said:
Who cares if this fool takes a sliver of Ukraine? or the whole damn thing? Our country may very well collapse within the next 5 years with the stupid sh** we are pushing here. We need to be fighting to save our own damn country...not some POS far eastern euro country. Who GAF about them?
I wish they did. I would rather them have that than enough nukes to destroy our planet several times over.Quote:
The problem for Russia is that their military is largely the same as it was in 1991. They simply don't have the equipment and ability to do what you think they can do. It's not 1941 anymore. Modern weapons can repel whatever meat the Russians want to throw in the grinder. And all they have is meat.
Brittmoore Car Club said:
Who cares if this fool takes a sliver of Ukraine? or the whole damn thing? Our country may very well collapse within the next 5 years with the stupid sh** we are pushing here. We need to be fighting to save our own damn country...not some POS far eastern euro country. Who GAF about them?
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They simply don't have the equipment and ability to do what you think they can do. It's not 1941 anymore. Modern weapons can repel whatever meat the Russians want to throw in the grinder. And all they have is meat.
Why? It's a crap country that does not impact us at all.Teslag said:Brittmoore Car Club said:
Who cares if this fool takes a sliver of Ukraine? or the whole damn thing? Our country may very well collapse within the next 5 years with the stupid sh** we are pushing here. We need to be fighting to save our own damn country...not some POS far eastern euro country. Who GAF about them?
We aren't doing this because we care about Ukraine.
We have been told it is wildly inappropriate and war crimes to invade another country just because they are weaker or in a weakened state.one MEEN Ag said:
The war on Ukraine will stop under one of the three following conditions:
-Ukraine loses completely
-Ukraine brokers piece by being able to credibly destroy Crimea
-Ukraine wins completely
-Russia loses so many men and arms that they can no longer defend their capital from an invasion and they have to pull out.
This is an apples and oranges comparison.MuchosPollos said:
We are fighting a society that has survived fighting the worlds superpowers for generations. The Germans couldn't beat them in the 1940s, the French couldn't do it in 1812.
Not saying it'll happen. But if Russia exhausts ever last man and piece of equipment in Ukraine someone (probably internally or on the eastern borders) will waltz into Moscow shortly after.fka ftc said:We have been told it is wildly inappropriate and war crimes to invade another country just because they are weaker or in a weakened state.one MEEN Ag said:
The war on Ukraine will stop under one of the three following conditions:
-Ukraine loses completely
-Ukraine brokers piece by being able to credibly destroy Crimea
-Ukraine wins completely
-Russia loses so many men and arms that they can no longer defend their capital from an invasion and they have to pull out.
I don't even think it has to get close to that. Once the families of men in Moscow and St. Petersburg start getting their can of spam and potatoes with a letter saying that their son/father/brother is unaccounted for, the internal power struggle will be enough.one MEEN Ag said:Not saying it'll happen. But if Russia exhausts ever last man and piece of equipment in Ukraine someone (probably internally or on the eastern borders) will waltz into Moscow shortly after.fka ftc said:We have been told it is wildly inappropriate and war crimes to invade another country just because they are weaker or in a weakened state.one MEEN Ag said:
The war on Ukraine will stop under one of the three following conditions:
-Ukraine loses completely
-Ukraine brokers piece by being able to credibly destroy Crimea
-Ukraine wins completely
-Russia loses so many men and arms that they can no longer defend their capital from an invasion and they have to pull out.
Someone needs to explain how that would be preferential to the current state of affairs.one MEEN Ag said:Not saying it'll happen. But if Russia exhausts ever last man and piece of equipment in Ukraine someone (probably internally or on the eastern borders) will waltz into Moscow shortly after.fka ftc said:We have been told it is wildly inappropriate and war crimes to invade another country just because they are weaker or in a weakened state.one MEEN Ag said:
The war on Ukraine will stop under one of the three following conditions:
-Ukraine loses completely
-Ukraine brokers piece by being able to credibly destroy Crimea
-Ukraine wins completely
-Russia loses so many men and arms that they can no longer defend their capital from an invasion and they have to pull out.
I didn't say anything about it being preferential. And a risk of an internal collapse has always been on the table since the Russians decided to risk their countries future on this war.fka ftc said:Someone needs to explain how that would be preferential to the current state of affairs.one MEEN Ag said:Not saying it'll happen. But if Russia exhausts ever last man and piece of equipment in Ukraine someone (probably internally or on the eastern borders) will waltz into Moscow shortly after.fka ftc said:We have been told it is wildly inappropriate and war crimes to invade another country just because they are weaker or in a weakened state.one MEEN Ag said:
The war on Ukraine will stop under one of the three following conditions:
-Ukraine loses completely
-Ukraine brokers piece by being able to credibly destroy Crimea
-Ukraine wins completely
-Russia loses so many men and arms that they can no longer defend their capital from an invasion and they have to pull out.
I do not think it would be a positive development.
vance- said:Agthatbuilds said:vance- said:Agthatbuilds said:
Yes, the Russian embeds are known for their accuracy and honesty
Uh, yeah, actually, since this war has started they have been spot on.
That's patently false and helps explains your disposition.
And you clearly havent been following the war closely. Russian telegram channels have been spot on the entire war with their tactical analysis' and predictions as well as # reports. What are you talking about?
Because we promised them protection in exchange for them getting rid of their nukes. We have no such agreement with people in Africa, China, etc.Brittmoore Car Club said:Why? It's a crap country that does not impact us at all.Teslag said:Brittmoore Car Club said:
Who cares if this fool takes a sliver of Ukraine? or the whole damn thing? Our country may very well collapse within the next 5 years with the stupid sh** we are pushing here. We need to be fighting to save our own damn country...not some POS far eastern euro country. Who GAF about them?
We aren't doing this because we care about Ukraine.
Why aren't we fighting all across the globe? Do we not care about people in Africa getting slaughtered? China? Spare me the "we care" BS. Why don't we go fight the Saudi's or Iranians?
If we "cared" we wouldn't be depending on African slaves and child slaves risking their lives, breaking their backs and breathing in toxic chemicals and fumes so that we could have our fancy Teslas and iPhones, all while absolutely annihilating their environment.
Honestly, if you "cared", you wouldn't be driving a Tesla...EV batteries are HORRIBLE for the environment and Africans/African children.
Is there a treaty on this? Asking for real, there has been mention of this agreement but I thought it was more of an understanding than an actual promise. May be wrong though.aTmAg said:Because we promised them protection in exchange for them getting rid of their nukes. We have no such agreement with people in Africa, China, etc.Brittmoore Car Club said:Why? It's a crap country that does not impact us at all.Teslag said:Brittmoore Car Club said:
Who cares if this fool takes a sliver of Ukraine? or the whole damn thing? Our country may very well collapse within the next 5 years with the stupid sh** we are pushing here. We need to be fighting to save our own damn country...not some POS far eastern euro country. Who GAF about them?
We aren't doing this because we care about Ukraine.
Why aren't we fighting all across the globe? Do we not care about people in Africa getting slaughtered? China? Spare me the "we care" BS. Why don't we go fight the Saudi's or Iranians?
If we "cared" we wouldn't be depending on African slaves and child slaves risking their lives, breaking their backs and breathing in toxic chemicals and fumes so that we could have our fancy Teslas and iPhones, all while absolutely annihilating their environment.
Honestly, if you "cared", you wouldn't be driving a Tesla...EV batteries are HORRIBLE for the environment and Africans/African children.
It's called the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994.fka ftc said:Is there a treaty on this? Asking for real, there has been mention of this agreement but I thought it was more of an understanding than an actual promise. May be wrong though.aTmAg said:Because we promised them protection in exchange for them getting rid of their nukes. We have no such agreement with people in Africa, China, etc.Brittmoore Car Club said:Why? It's a crap country that does not impact us at all.Teslag said:Brittmoore Car Club said:
Who cares if this fool takes a sliver of Ukraine? or the whole damn thing? Our country may very well collapse within the next 5 years with the stupid sh** we are pushing here. We need to be fighting to save our own damn country...not some POS far eastern euro country. Who GAF about them?
We aren't doing this because we care about Ukraine.
Why aren't we fighting all across the globe? Do we not care about people in Africa getting slaughtered? China? Spare me the "we care" BS. Why don't we go fight the Saudi's or Iranians?
If we "cared" we wouldn't be depending on African slaves and child slaves risking their lives, breaking their backs and breathing in toxic chemicals and fumes so that we could have our fancy Teslas and iPhones, all while absolutely annihilating their environment.
Honestly, if you "cared", you wouldn't be driving a Tesla...EV batteries are HORRIBLE for the environment and Africans/African children.
The Green Dragon said:
Well the Ukraine Fan Boy thread won't like this
I agree and also find it absurdfka ftc said:We have been told it is wildly inappropriate and war crimes to invade another country just because they are weaker or in a weakened state.one MEEN Ag said:
The war on Ukraine will stop under one of the three following conditions:
-Ukraine loses completely
-Ukraine brokers piece by being able to credibly destroy Crimea
-Ukraine wins completely
-Russia loses so many men and arms that they can no longer defend their capital from an invasion and they have to pull out.