Bitcoin on the path to irrelevance?

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Algorithmic Epiphany
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nai06 said:

Algorithmic Epiphany said:

nai06 said:

If it's a currency, surely I can use it to buy groceries from my local supermarket right? I can use it anywhere I use cash right?


No matter how much you want it to be a valid currency, it's not. It lacks stability and acceptability which are pretty important when it comes to deciding if something is a currency.



Does your market accept cigarettes or shells or Rai stones as currency? Does that change the fact they've all been used or are used as currency? Africans can use bitcoin at their stores, El Salvador everywhere.

The level of effort to "turn on" accepting bitcoin is a few lines of code on your POS. Takes seconds to onboard, once you've figured out your corporate tax/treasury strategy which was only recently laid out here in MURICA and the US government is definitely dragging feet to give clarity in taxing purposes, to the detriment of Americans like you. https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/treasury-and-irs-announce-that-businesses-do-not-have-to-report-certain-transactions-involving-digital-assets-until-regulations-are-issued

To see known bitcoin treasuries https://bitcointreasuries.net/


Now. Tomorrow you walk into whichever grocery chain and they got a little button you can click that says Bitcoin on the CC terminal, do you breakdown in tears and scream "it's not a currency!!" Over and over until police escort you out? Do you think you'll have made a difference then?



So you just confirmed it lacks widespread acceptability making it, not a currency. You also conveniently let out it's issue of stability.
Then there's the issue that it becomes completely useless if the power goes out.




I only confirmed that your depth of experience is inadequate for this conversation, and that this depth has remained static for nearly a decade.

Were you in an accident that prevents you from performing certain tasks to gain experience or was this purposeful?

It's all very confusing seeing people in this state. I don't know whether to help or put them put of their misery.

Alright, I'll pretend your capable.

Why does the definition of currency have such a hangup for you? Fine, call it a commodity that people trade, store and value at increasingly higher rates day over day, hour over hour. Hell call it anything you want.

Bitcoin adoption is happening quicker than most new technological adoptions have ever taken.

If you need to use a different term, just call it a protocol. That's all it is. Lines of code that have been distributed across the surface of the earth, above and below it.

A protocol is a set of rules governing the exchange or transmission of data between devices.

Bitcoin is rules, without rulers.

Those rules make it operate "better" than existing currencies, hence the consistent price increase across ALL known currencies.

Label it incorrectly all you want, get into the weeds on definitions all you want.

When you release your Arrogance, hubris and fear of death you may be able to walk a new path.
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bmks270 said:

It's more like a commodity than a currency.

It's more expensive and less convenient to transfer Bitcoin than dollars. It's not a great currency. The blockchain network couldn't handle the volume of the USD.

I think it's just a FOMO commodity.
Fear coin. Fear of missing out. Fear of government backed currencies. Fear of USD inflation. Those 3 reasons are probably what drive over 99% of Bitcoin holders.


i know many bitcoiners and this hasn't been my experience at all, they are among the happiest and most optimistic people i know. i haven't yet figured out if that's because lowering your time preference and gaining clarity on your future makes people content, or if people who are bright and confident enough to educate themselves on new things naturally wind up finding bitcoin. either way, you're incorrect.

you on the other hand seem very afraid of bitcoin.
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nai06 said:

If it's a currency, surely I can use it to buy groceries from my local supermarket right? I can use it anywhere I use cash right?


No matter how much you want it to be a valid currency, it's not. It lacks stability and acceptability which are pretty important when it comes to deciding if something is a currency.




These guys are just screaming their hardheadedness from the rooftops now. It's bizarre. It's like "I'm a buggy man, and I'll never use one of those falootin' automobiles"
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The biggest joke of all is everyone, even the haters, will have btc exposure via their 401ks, pension plans, retirement funds etc etc.

You will own btc and be happy!
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bmks270 said:

It's more like a commodity than a currency.

It's more expensive and less convenient to transfer Bitcoin than dollars. It's not a great currency. The blockchain network couldn't handle the volume of the USD.

I think it's just a FOMO commodity.
Fear coin. Fear of missing out. Fear of government backed currencies. Fear of USD inflation. Those 3 reasons are probably what drive over 99% of Bitcoin holders.



Some of the worlds largest and most sophisticated financial institutions are investing time, money and their reputations on BTC as we are entering the digital age, yet you seem to think its going to go the way of AOL.


The AI revolution is going to need more computing power and systems that allow for instantaneous information delivery.

Granted there are a ton of **** coins out there. You have to sort through the bs pitch decks and dive deep into the actual use case behind the token.

I invest in ones that have US Patents and industry partners. One of my favorites is Theta.






Quote:

Vegas Golden Knights Announce Official Partnership with Theta Labs
(January 16, 2024)

The Vegas Golden Knights announced today, January 16, a partnership with Theta Labs, the global leader in Web3 video, AI and entertainment technology. The partnership officially recognizes Theta Labs as a Proud Partner of the Golden Knights and will deliver new in-real-life experiences to fans.

The Golden Knights are set to launch an exclusive series of NFTs on ThetaDrop NFT marketplace, offering fans unique in-person experiences. During select home games, fans both online and in person will have the opportunity to claim exclusive NFTs at no cost.

These NFTs will unlock access to tickets for Knights games, autographed memorabilia from top players, and unparalleled VIP moments, including photo opportunities on the ice and chances to join press conferences. A highlight of this series will be access for 75 guests to a private viewing lounge, creating extraordinary memories. This opportunity offers a chic, sophisticated atmosphere with stunning views, spanning 18,000 square feet with a vantage point over the arena and floor-to-ceiling windows showcasing the Vegas strip.


https://www.nhl.com/goldenknights/news/vegas-golden-knights-announce-official-partnership-with-theta-labs
[url=https://www.nhl.com/goldenknights/news/vegas-golden-knights-announce-official-partnership-with-theta-labs][/url]Why is this NHL announcement a big deal? Think digital trading cards. NFTs allow for the transition from printed paper "baseball cards" into digital collector tokens. Thats a pretty big industry that Theta is going to disrupt.


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nai06 said:

If it's a currency, surely I can use it to buy groceries from my local supermarket right? I can use it anywhere I use cash right?


No matter how much you want it to be a valid currency, it's not. It lacks stability and acceptability which are pretty important when it comes to deciding if something is a currency.





A. It's being accepted more and more at an exponential rate across the world right now.
B. Define stable. The currency the US uses has lost half of its purchasing power in the past 4 years. Our leaders in charge are doubling down on this strategy. Is something that at least doubles its purchasing power every 4 years less stable than that? Does it matter when one option continually debases your wealth and the other secures your wealth?

That being said, nobody will force you to buy BTC. That is basically the selling point of it, that nobody is your master. If you don't value that, more power to you. Actually less power to you, realistically though.
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The banks make money from ETF fees. It's a cash grab.
Yukon Cornelius
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So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.
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MemphisAg1 said:

Passing along a link to this article that makes the case Bitcoin will remain on a downward trend.

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"Bitcoin's conceptual design and technological shortcomings make it questionable as a means of payment: real Bitcoin transactions are cumbersome, slow and expensive," they wrote. "Bitcoin has never been used to any significant extent for legal real-world transactions."

"Bitcoin is also not suitable as an investment. It does not generate cash flow (like real estate) or dividends (like equities), cannot be used productively (like commodities) or provide social benefits (like gold). The market valuation of Bitcoin is therefore based purely on speculation," they added.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/european-central-bank-says-bitcoin-is-on-the-road-to-irrelevance.html

I don't own any because I haven't resolved how to value it, and it's too volatile for my taste. I follow a hard rule of not investing in things I don't understand. That has served me well after some small, but impactful, lessons learned with investing earlier in life.

But I'm fascinated by the ongoing story of technology development, wealth creation and destruction.

nearing all time high in next few months - today $63,000

don't take financial advice from most people on TexAgs.
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It's a bitcoin grab.

FIFY

They are grabbing YOUR bitcoin, and you're over here doorknob humping.

Edit: I guarantee that we will learn a major country has been buying or mining bitcoin secretly this year for their reserves, most countries possibly. The only one that would cause the most detrimental temporary effects would be when USGOVT admits they've been printing money to buy bitcoin.

That's essentially what these etfs are. Eventual ExecutiveOrder 6102 honeypots for the government to control, for stability, at least imo.

Take the steps to self-custody, so you aren't taken advantage of.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.


It depends when or if they cash out.

I don't think many people truely understand the implications and consequences of survivorship bias in financial markets. People talk about it a lot, but when the weight of it really sinks in, you will be humbled.

Great book to expand your thinking is "Fooled by Randomness".

Bitcoin is also a social phenomenon and marketed well. It's like those pyramid schemes that sell you the dream of wealth and not actual products.

People are buying Bitcoin hoping it's going to make them rich or preserve their wealth.

When panic strikes, non-correlated assets become correlated and there will be a rush to hold cash in USD. Bitcoin will dive along with everything else that isn't cash.

As a diversification asset, I guess it's not so bad. But I don't see it as the miracle currency a lot of Bitcoin investors paint it as.
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To each their own. Last decade it's been the best performing asset. We'll see what the next 10 years look like.
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Algorithmic Epiphany said:

It's a bitcoin grab.

FIFY

They are grabbing YOUR bitcoin, and you're over here doorknob humping.

Edit: I guarantee that we will learn a major country has been buying or mining bitcoin secretly this year for their reserves, most countries possibly. The only one that would cause the most detrimental temporary effects would be when USGOVT admits they've been printing money to buy bitcoin.

That's essentially what these etfs are. Eventual ExecutiveOrder 6102 honeypots for the government to control, for stability, at least imo.

Take the steps to self-custody, so you aren't taken advantage of.


So they can dump it all while simultaneously outlawing it to crash it.

So much for dEcentRaLizaTion.
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bmks270 said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.


It depends when or if they cash out.

I don't think many people truely understand the implications and consequences of survivorship bias in financial markets. People talk about it a lot, but when the weight of it really sinks in, you will be humbled.

Great book to expand your thinking is "Fooled by Randomness".

Bitcoin is also a social phenomenon and marketed well. It's like those pyramid schemes that sell you the dream of wealth and not actual products.

People are buying Bitcoin hoping it's going to make them rich or preserve their wealth.

When panic strikes, non-correlated assets become correlated and there will be a rush to hold cash in USD. Bitcoin will dive along with everything else that isn't cash.

As a diversification asset, I guess it's not so bad. Buts I don't see it as the miracle currency a lot of Bitcoin investors paint it as.
Cash is backed by nothing, a promissory note. It is weaker today than it was yesterday and will be weaker tomorrow.

It is all make believe when you come to realize how much debt the world is in…310 trillion dollars.
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LMCane said:

MemphisAg1 said:

Passing along a link to this article that makes the case Bitcoin will remain on a downward trend.

Quote:

"Bitcoin's conceptual design and technological shortcomings make it questionable as a means of payment: real Bitcoin transactions are cumbersome, slow and expensive," they wrote. "Bitcoin has never been used to any significant extent for legal real-world transactions."

"Bitcoin is also not suitable as an investment. It does not generate cash flow (like real estate) or dividends (like equities), cannot be used productively (like commodities) or provide social benefits (like gold). The market valuation of Bitcoin is therefore based purely on speculation," they added.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/30/european-central-bank-says-bitcoin-is-on-the-road-to-irrelevance.html

I don't own any because I haven't resolved how to value it, and it's too volatile for my taste. I follow a hard rule of not investing in things I don't understand. That has served me well after some small, but impactful, lessons learned with investing earlier in life.

But I'm fascinated by the ongoing story of technology development, wealth creation and destruction.

nearing all time high in next few months - today $63,000

don't take financial advice from most people on TexAgs.
Lol, still too volatile for my taste. I don't consider it money because of the volatility. It's speculative, kind of like gambling.

Go ahead and invest in it as you wish -- good luck!
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PA24 said:

bmks270 said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.


It depends when or if they cash out.

I don't think many people truely understand the implications and consequences of survivorship bias in financial markets. People talk about it a lot, but when the weight of it really sinks in, you will be humbled.

Great book to expand your thinking is "Fooled by Randomness".

Bitcoin is also a social phenomenon and marketed well. It's like those pyramid schemes that sell you the dream of wealth and not actual products.

People are buying Bitcoin hoping it's going to make them rich or preserve their wealth.

When panic strikes, non-correlated assets become correlated and there will be a rush to hold cash in USD. Bitcoin will dive along with everything else that isn't cash.

As a diversification asset, I guess it's not so bad. Buts I don't see it as the miracle currency a lot of Bitcoin investors paint it as.
Cash is backed by nothing, a promissory note. It is weaker today than it was yesterday and will be weaker tomorrow.

It is all make believe when you come to realize how much debt the world is in…310 trillion dollars.


It's backed by the barrel of a gun and prison bars. Which is more than any crypto can say.
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It'll always be decentralized. That's one of its value propositions. Name another asset someone can own 90% and not have control over the rules of it.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

To each their own. Last decade it's been the best performing asset. We'll see what the next 10 years look like.


pets.com was also once the best performing asset.
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For an entire decade?
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bmks270 said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.


It depends when or if they cash out.

I don't think many people truely understand the implications and consequences of survivorship bias in financial markets. People talk about it a lot, but when the weight of it really sinks in, you will be humbled.

Great book to expand your thinking is "Fooled by Randomness".

Bitcoin is also a social phenomenon and marketed well. It's like those pyramid schemes that sell you the dream of wealth and not actual products.

People are buying Bitcoin hoping it's going to make them rich or preserve their wealth.

When panic strikes, non-correlated assets become correlated and there will be a rush to hold cash in USD. Bitcoin will dive along with everything else that isn't cash.


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Round and round we go, every ten minutes another 6.25 bitcoin mined until we halve it in April down 3.125 bitcoin every ten minutes.

Tick tock next block

Bitcoin progresses while bmks, nai06 and texasReRe stagnate.

I challenge you three to read Layered Money before the Halvening.

Look, Layered Money is only 180 pages.

The average reader reads 3 pages in 5 minutes, that means every block solved an average person could choke down 6 pages of this book or spend roughly 300 minutes (30 blocks) finishing it.

Currently block height is 832703, in ten mins it'll be 832704. The Halvening happens at Block Height 840,000. You have 7296 blocks or ~72,960 minutes to read 30 blocks worth of text (180 pages).

Which one of you are so busy you can't chug down 300 minutes of knowledge?
Algorithmic Epiphany
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There is no law without justice.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

For an entire decade?


More than that, it's been the best performing asset over 5, 10 and 15 year periods. Can't recall anything similar, can you?
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Sorry. Busy. Too much code to write.

But just a thought:

It's it not just a little bit interesting that everything of value is a net energy gain? As in, put a little work in, get a little more out.
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Algorithmic Epiphany said:

bmks270 said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.


It depends when or if they cash out.

I don't think many people truely understand the implications and consequences of survivorship bias in financial markets. People talk about it a lot, but when the weight of it really sinks in, you will be humbled.

Great book to expand your thinking is "Fooled by Randomness".

Bitcoin is also a social phenomenon and marketed well. It's like those pyramid schemes that sell you the dream of wealth and not actual products.

People are buying Bitcoin hoping it's going to make them rich or preserve their wealth.

When panic strikes, non-correlated assets become correlated and there will be a rush to hold cash in USD. Bitcoin will dive along with everything else that isn't cash.


God you're pathetic. Have you looked in the survivorship bias mirror lately?

The bitcoin CEO and CMO, you know the guys at the top of the pyramid scheme, who they?

On the bell curve you're dead center midtwit, just dumb enough and just smart enough. Perfectly controllable employee and citizen. You shouldn't bitcoin, it's not designed for the complacent to enjoy... only use after your rulers force you into it, directly or indirectly. Smug superiority, whilst shackled.

I'd throw rotten tomatoes, but I'd feel bad for it. I want to help, but you refuse.

You're loud and obtuse enough that, for the betterment of the community, I'd secretly put you in a sack and toss you into a river not unlike a yowling feral cat that keeps the town awake..

but alas here we are.

Round and round we go, every ten minutes another 6.25 bitcoin mined until we halve it in April down 3.125 bitcoin every ten minutes.

Tick tock next block

Bitcoin progresses while bmks, nai06 and texasReRe stagnate.

I challenge you three to read Layered Money before the Halvening.

Look, Layered Money is only 180 pages.

The average reader reads 3 pages in 5 minutes, that means every block solved an average person could choke down 6 pages of this book or spend roughly 300 minutes (30 blocks) finishing it.

Currently block height is 832703, in ten mins it'll be 832704. The Halvening happens at Block Height 840,000. You have 7296 blocks or ~72,960 minutes to read 30 blocks worth of text (180 pages).

Which one of you are so busy you can't chug down 300 minutes of knowledge?



Maybe take a step back from the keyboard. The personal insults are over the top
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nai06 said:

Algorithmic Epiphany said:

bmks270 said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.


It depends when or if they cash out.

I don't think many people truely understand the implications and consequences of survivorship bias in financial markets. People talk about it a lot, but when the weight of it really sinks in, you will be humbled.

Great book to expand your thinking is "Fooled by Randomness".

Bitcoin is also a social phenomenon and marketed well. It's like those pyramid schemes that sell you the dream of wealth and not actual products.

People are buying Bitcoin hoping it's going to make them rich or preserve their wealth.

When panic strikes, non-correlated assets become correlated and there will be a rush to hold cash in USD. Bitcoin will dive along with everything else that isn't cash.


God you're pathetic. Have you looked in the survivorship bias mirror lately?

The bitcoin CEO and CMO, you know the guys at the top of the pyramid scheme, who they?

On the bell curve you're dead center midtwit, just dumb enough and just smart enough. Perfectly controllable employee and citizen. You shouldn't bitcoin, it's not designed for the complacent to enjoy... only use after your rulers force you into it, directly or indirectly. Smug superiority, whilst shackled.

I'd throw rotten tomatoes, but I'd feel bad for it. I want to help, but you refuse.

You're loud and obtuse enough that, for the betterment of the community, I'd secretly put you in a sack and toss you into a river not unlike a yowling feral cat that keeps the town awake..

but alas here we are.

Round and round we go, every ten minutes another 6.25 bitcoin mined until we halve it in April down 3.125 bitcoin every ten minutes.

Tick tock next block

Bitcoin progresses while bmks, nai06 and texasReRe stagnate.

I challenge you three to read Layered Money before the Halvening.

Look, Layered Money is only 180 pages.

The average reader reads 3 pages in 5 minutes, that means every block solved an average person could choke down 6 pages of this book or spend roughly 300 minutes (30 blocks) finishing it.

Currently block height is 832703, in ten mins it'll be 832704. The Halvening happens at Block Height 840,000. You have 7296 blocks or ~72,960 minutes to read 30 blocks worth of text (180 pages).

Which one of you are so busy you can't chug down 300 minutes of knowledge?



Maybe take a step back from the keyboard. The personal insults are over the top
He always does this. That's why he continues to get banned.
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bmks270 said:

PA24 said:

bmks270 said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.


It depends when or if they cash out.

I don't think many people truely understand the implications and consequences of survivorship bias in financial markets. People talk about it a lot, but when the weight of it really sinks in, you will be humbled.

Great book to expand your thinking is "Fooled by Randomness".

Bitcoin is also a social phenomenon and marketed well. It's like those pyramid schemes that sell you the dream of wealth and not actual products.

People are buying Bitcoin hoping it's going to make them rich or preserve their wealth.

When panic strikes, non-correlated assets become correlated and there will be a rush to hold cash in USD. Bitcoin will dive along with everything else that isn't cash.

As a diversification asset, I guess it's not so bad. Buts I don't see it as the miracle currency a lot of Bitcoin investors paint it as.
Cash is backed by nothing, a promissory note. It is weaker today than it was yesterday and will be weaker tomorrow.

It is all make believe when you come to realize how much debt the world is in…310 trillion dollars.


It's backed by the barrel of a gun and prison bars. Which is more than any crypto can say.
exactly, the value of USD is enforced via the threat of violence and loss of personal freedom, while the value of BTC is determined by voluntary participants in a free market. very interesting that you think this is a positive point for USD.
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Maybe I'm an idiot.. probably am. How is there viability in a "currency" that could lose 5% of its value in a day? If you are right and my grocery store begins accepting BTC - how do they reconcile the fact that their entire GPM (avg 1-3% for grocery stores) could be wiped out in a day? How then do they pay down their RLOCs or settle with vendors? There is no guarantee that the value of BTC comes back up before insolvency sets in.. or am I missing something? Are they expected to settle their BTC back into USD immediately? Is a 3rd party going to write derivatives to provide security? What is the plan?
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Million dollar pizzas.
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ac04 said:

bmks270 said:

PA24 said:

bmks270 said:

Yukon Cornelius said:

So worse case scenario everyone who bought and held the actual bitcoin before January 2024 was right to do so.


It depends when or if they cash out.

I don't think many people truely understand the implications and consequences of survivorship bias in financial markets. People talk about it a lot, but when the weight of it really sinks in, you will be humbled.

Great book to expand your thinking is "Fooled by Randomness".

Bitcoin is also a social phenomenon and marketed well. It's like those pyramid schemes that sell you the dream of wealth and not actual products.

People are buying Bitcoin hoping it's going to make them rich or preserve their wealth.

When panic strikes, non-correlated assets become correlated and there will be a rush to hold cash in USD. Bitcoin will dive along with everything else that isn't cash.

As a diversification asset, I guess it's not so bad. Buts I don't see it as the miracle currency a lot of Bitcoin investors paint it as.
Cash is backed by nothing, a promissory note. It is weaker today than it was yesterday and will be weaker tomorrow.

It is all make believe when you come to realize how much debt the world is in…310 trillion dollars.


It's backed by the barrel of a gun and prison bars. Which is more than any crypto can say.
exactly, the value of USD is enforced via the threat of violence and loss of personal freedom, while the value of BTC is determined by voluntary participants in a free market. very interesting that you think this is a positive point for USD.


Bitcoin demand imo does not have a solid foundation. It's popular because individuals think other people want it. It's a herd and tribe mentality. When in Rome, do as the Roman's do.

All of its utility can be replicated with other crypto currencies. Its staying power is in the same fashion as a social networks staying power. People go where the users are. And that becomes very hard to disrupt. But should the group begin to go elsewhere then there's really no moat to keep people.

USD is not like this. With USD it doesn't matter what the group does. Agents come with guns and hand cuffs if you don't participate.

I see Bitcoins voluntary participation as a weakness for demand, not a strength.

Most other commodity prices are driven by industrial utility and supply. Not Bitcoin, it's a result of group think. When the group changes its mind, it will crash. You might believe that will never happen, but I'm not so confident, which is why I don't feel any desire to invest in it.
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Aggies1322 said:

Maybe I'm an idiot.. probably am. How is there viability in a "currency" that could lose 5% of its value in a day? If you are right and my grocery store begins accepting BTC - how do they reconcile the fact that their entire GPM (avg 1-3% for grocery stores) could be wiped out in a day? How then do they pay down their RLOCs or settle with vendors? There is no guarantee that the value of BTC comes back up before insolvency sets in.. or am I missing something? Are they expected to settle their BTC back into USD immediately? Is a 3rd party going to write derivatives to provide security? What is the plan?


Exactly why I don't think we are using sats for groceries, at least for the next 10-20 years. Now as an intermediate to settle cross border transactions instantaneously? I think there is tremendous value.
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If it was so easy to just logon to a computer, buy some Bitcoin, HODL, and then sail into a rich lifestyle easy peasy…well why should anyone even work?

you'll see at some point a 30-50% drop as Bitcoin again does its bubble to burst cycle being turned into real money as that casino playground does it primary purpose of moving money from one person's pocket to another.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

Aggies1322 said:

Maybe I'm an idiot.. probably am. How is there viability in a "currency" that could lose 5% of its value in a day? If you are right and my grocery store begins accepting BTC - how do they reconcile the fact that their entire GPM (avg 1-3% for grocery stores) could be wiped out in a day? How then do they pay down their RLOCs or settle with vendors? There is no guarantee that the value of BTC comes back up before insolvency sets in.. or am I missing something? Are they expected to settle their BTC back into USD immediately? Is a 3rd party going to write derivatives to provide security? What is the plan?


Exactly why I don't think we are using sats for groceries, at least for the next 10-20 years. Now as an intermediate to settle cross border transactions instantaneously? I think there is tremendous value.

Can you explain what that would look like? I promise I'm not being an ass, I'm just not well versed enough in BTC to know what that would look like.
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At some point it will look like a door-to-door encyclopedia salesman trying to turn yesterday's stories into money.

Moving the keys from one computer to another is easy.

Convincing someone that number is worth food is the hard part.
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What happens to Bitcoin price when there are no more new adopters?

And how far away are we from there being no more new adopters?
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Aggies1322 said:

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Aggies1322 said:

Maybe I'm an idiot.. probably am. How is there viability in a "currency" that could lose 5% of its value in a day? If you are right and my grocery store begins accepting BTC - how do they reconcile the fact that their entire GPM (avg 1-3% for grocery stores) could be wiped out in a day? How then do they pay down their RLOCs or settle with vendors? There is no guarantee that the value of BTC comes back up before insolvency sets in.. or am I missing something? Are they expected to settle their BTC back into USD immediately? Is a 3rd party going to write derivatives to provide security? What is the plan?


Exactly why I don't think we are using sats for groceries, at least for the next 10-20 years. Now as an intermediate to settle cross border transactions instantaneously? I think there is tremendous value.

Can you explain what that would look like? I promise I'm not being an ass, I'm just not well versed enough in BTC to know what that would look like.



Absolutely! Here is a great article on the subject that gives both the pros and cons of it.

https://www.cato.org/publications/money-across-borders-how-cryptocurrency-has-opened-global-exchange#lessons-governments-across-world
 
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