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I don't disagree with you that it's up to law enforcement to do an investigation and the judicial system to judge these matters.

What I disagree with you with is the absurd notion that there's some sort of legal murkiness or liability in a journalist (or a filmmaker, or a film-making journalist) telling the truth.

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In this thread we have posters who repeat talking points to discredit the content of the film. Half the country believes the truth that Trump was supporting extremist by reporting his words out of context. They also still believe the truth that Trump colluded with Russia during his election. Half the country believes the truth that the Hunter laptop is Russian misinformation. What is "truth" when your media continues to report lies without facing any consequences?

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D'Souza is on twitter now trying to bait Elon into liking or commenting on his film.

The reason is obvious. This is a money making endeavor for him. A comment from musk (to his 92 million followers) would be huge money.

The glaring hole in the argument is the lack of a single video of the same person visiting more than one ballot box. Should be very easy to find if his other assertions are true.

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This very thing was in the movie. I remember seeing the same male wearing the same clothes at two different drop boxes with a different vehicle. His clothing was distinctive. I think it might have been a gray sweatshirt and blue shoes. Maybe it's possible that TTV, with their mountains of evidence, didn't think proving this one thing happened with video because the damn GPS proves it happened over and over again. My goodness..

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Y'all getting all excited over Uber, Lyft, Door Dash,UPS and USPS drivers. Ballot boxes are not out in a field in the country. These are cities and there is a bunch of stuff around that people are doing other than voting.

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Latest talking point has been released….

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He got his post straight from a tweet. He should have given this guy credit for his cute little soundbite. From the Bill Gates thread:

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I'm not paying $30 to watch a convicted felon extrapolate Uber and DoorDash drivers into voter fraud mules.

2000 Mules, a film made by the convicted fraud, Dinesh D'Souza, claims it has proven election fraud by pinging cell phones that went back and forth around voting drop boxes and nonprofit org sites. So, Uber drivers, Doordashers, and Amazon drivers.https://t.co/qbjbeuv2LT

— Dale Burden (@CthulhuHulu) May 4, 2022

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Funny how Mr. Law Firm Partner can't even come up with his own thoughts/material.

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Ah yes, all of those doordash meals and amazon deliveries that come between the hours of 1 and 5am, right next to ballot drop boxes, after visiting election-related NGOs.

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Y'all getting all excited over Uber, Lyft, Door Dash,UPS and USPS drivers. Ballot boxes are not out in a field in the country. These are cities and there is a bunch of stuff around that people are doing other than voting.

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You really need to watch the movie. The cellphones that showed tracking near the dropboxes outside of the voting dates was dismissed. You're argument is false.

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The AP article had a quote from a Notre Dame computer science professor who said the cellphone tracking data is not that precise.

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The part of this conspiracy theory that is the most ridiculous, at least in Georgia, is that the mules somehow managed to know exactly who wasn't going to fill out absentee ballots and fraudulently fill them out for them.

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Gee, could that be related to the fact the entire state's voter rolls including voting history was stolen in September 2019? And those voter rolls were not updated before the 2020 election?

And that some election workers allegedly from the ACLU had the same voter rolls on their laptops? Apparently there was a problem on election day at a large precinct where the voter sign in system was not booting up. So this ACLU gal said, "No problem. I have a copy on my laptop."

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Voter rolls are public.

https://sos.ga.gov/page/order-voter-registration-lists-and-files

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With voting history?

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Yes. You can buy Fulton County for $50. It has a bunch of info but it says how they voted in the last election. It's not illegal.

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Isn't how you voted supposed to be anonymous?
It sounds like an open door for voter intimidation.

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I doubt it shows who they voted for, just that they voted.

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https://sos.ga.gov/page/order-voter-registration-lists-and-files

Click "columns include in file." It is a ton of info, including "last voted date" and "last voted party."

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Y'all getting all excited over Uber, Lyft, Door Dash,UPS and USPS drivers. Ballot boxes are not out in a field in the country. These are cities and there is a bunch of stuff around that people are doing other than voting.

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You really need to watch the movie. The cellphones that showed tracking near the dropboxes outside of the voting dates was dismissed. You're argument is false.

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The AP article had a quote from a Notre Dame computer science professor who said the cellphone tracking data is not that precise.

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Maybe in the middle of nowhere Wyoming. In Atlanta not so much. In DFW when I am out walking or driving it is very accurate and tracks me to within feet or less. Do you ever use your phone to give you directions, if so, when approaching a street that you need to turn on, how accurate? Have you ever used Find My Phone, seems damn accurate to me.

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Oh of course. Keep trying dude. Lol

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Y'all getting all excited over Uber, Lyft, Door Dash,UPS and USPS drivers. Ballot boxes are not out in a field in the country. These are cities and there is a bunch of stuff around that people are doing other than voting.

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You really need to watch the movie. The cellphones that showed tracking near the dropboxes outside of the voting dates was dismissed. You're argument is false.

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The AP article had a quote from a Notre Dame computer science professor who said the cellphone tracking data is not that precise.

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The libs are really fighting this. Must be right over the target for them to spend all day trying to deny it. Else they wouldn't care.

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Ah yes, all of those doordash meals and amazon deliveries that come between the hours of 1 and 5am, right next to ballot drop boxes, after visiting election-related NGOs.

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And are all conveniently at the same location as drop boxes.

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The libs are really fighting this. Must be right over the target for them to spend all day trying to deny it. Else they wouldn't care.

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As far as I can tell it's mostly being ignored by libs, and MSM on both sides.

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He knows he can watch it for free on the bitchute link on page 3, but uses the excuse that it will cost $30 for the reason that he didnt.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/oUxVva4yWsuu/

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Pieces in the Washington Post and the New York Times also characterize cellphone location data as quite specific and reliable. For example, in May 4 WaPo article stoking fear that the Patriarchy could use phone data to determine who got an abortion should abortion become illegal in some states:

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Phones can collect precise information about your whereabouts right down to the building to power maps and other services. Sometimes, though, the fine print in app privacy policies gives companies the right to sell that information to other companies that can make it available to advertisers, or whoever wants to pay to obtain it.
On Tuesday, Vice's Motherboard blog reported that for $160, it bought a week's worth of data from a company called SafeGraph showing where people who visited more than 600 Planned Parenthood clinics came from and where they went afterward.

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A 2019 New York Times series, "The Privacy Project," revealed a lot about how granular this data can be. In a piece from that project titled "Twelve Million Phones, One Dataset, Zero Privacy," Times journalists reported on what they found after analyzing a data file containing 50 billion location pings from 12 million Americans over a several-month period in 2016 and 2017. In the introduction they state (emphasis mine):

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And, says the Times, this information isn't generated solely by big tech or government surveillance, and is openly available to anyone who wants to pay for it.

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The data reviewed by Times Opinion didn't come from a telecom or giant tech company, nor did it come from a governmental surveillance operation. It originated from a location data company, one of dozens quietly collecting precise movements using software slipped onto mobile phone apps. You've probably never heard of most of the companies and yet to anyone who has access to this data, your life is an open book. They can see the places you go every moment of the day, whom you meet with or spend the night with, where you pray, whether you visit a methadone clinic, a psychiatrist's office or a massage parlor.

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In 2021 the Times published a piece titled, "They Stormed the Capitol. Their Apps Tracked Them." about the January 6 protesters. In that piece they noted that since their 2019 article a new piece of information had become available:

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Unlike the data we reviewed in 2019, this new data included a remarkable piece of information: a unique ID for each user that is tied to a smartphone. This made it even easier to find people, since the supposedly anonymous ID could be matched with other databases containing the same ID, allowing us to add real names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses and other information about smartphone owners in seconds.

The IDs, called mobile advertising identifiers, allow companies to track people across the internet and on apps. They are supposed to be anonymous, and smartphone owners can reset them or disable them entirely. Our findings show the promise of anonymity is a farce. Several companies offer tools to allow anyone with data to match the IDs with other databases.

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According to the AP, though, the "mules" were just wearing gloves because it was cold out. Because obviously we all wear blue latex medical gloves to keep our hands warm in the winter, then throw them away before getting back to a car or home.

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This is pure speculation. It ignores far more likely reasons for glove-wearing in the fall and winter of 2020 cold weather or COVID-19.

Voting in Georgia's Jan. 5, 2021, Senate runoff election occurred during some of the coldest weeks of the year in the state, and when COVID-19 was surging. In fact, the AP in 2020 documented multiple examples of COVID-cautious voters wearing latex gloves and other personal protective equipment to vote.

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To rebut the movie's claim that "In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 "mules" who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money," AP noted that True the Vote wasn't able to obtain surveillance video in Philadelphia and then added a 200-word speculative story from a Pennsylvania lawmaker:

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Pennsylvania state Sen. Sharif Street…told the AP he was confident he was counted as several of the group's 1,155 anonymous "mules," even though he didn't deposit anything into a drop box in that time period.

Street said he based his assessment on the fact that he carries a cellphone, a watch with a cellular connection, a tablet with a cellular connection and a mobile hotspot four devices whose locations can be tracked by private companies. He also said he typically travels with a staffer who carries two devices, bringing the total on his person to six. During the 2020 election season, Street said, he brought those devices on trips to nonprofit offices and drop box rallies.

He also drove by one drop box up to seven or eight times a day when traveling between his two political offices.

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While his trips to nonprofit offices could meet True the Vote's criteria for inclusion in the "mule" pool, since we don't yet know exactly which nonprofit offices in Philadelphia True the Vote was focusing on, we can't be sure he visited five or more of the targeted nonprofit organizations. And if he did, why? We're not talking about the Boys & Girls Club here.

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Why haven’t the any of the 2,000 mules who committed multiple crimes surrounding widespread ballot trafficking in the 2020 Election been arrested yet?

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— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) May 9, 2022