D'Souza is on twitter now trying to bait Elon into liking or commenting on his film.

The reason is obvious. This is a money making endeavor for him. A comment from musk (to his 92 million followers) would be huge money.

The glaring hole in the argument is the lack of a single video of the same person visiting more than one ballot box. Should be very easy to find if his other assertions are true.

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That movie is dumb propaganda meant to resonate with folks seeking confirmation bias.

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The really interesting thing is that zero Biden supporters can refute one single thing, not one. Not from that report.

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15 seconds of googling. Literally the first result.

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/2000-mules-fact-check/amp/

You guys.

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Lol.

1) 99.9% of all media outlets have an intense, vested, interest in ensuring any narrative that challenges the legitimacy of 2020 election be crushed.

2) Large media outlets like CNN, Fox, etc can't get technical details on anything correct. They are staffed to the gills with literal dumbasses. A local media outlet is even worse.

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Unlike the Left, it's always important to address genuine concerns and questions.

The fact that Obama sent the IRS after True The Vote says a lot, but the Borg have already shown their cards by either ignoring subpoenas in States investigating election irregularities, or the State government just refusing to release any, and all, data requested by investigators---see Wisconsin and Arizona.

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D'Souza is on twitter now trying to bait Elon into liking or commenting on his film.

The reason is obvious. This is a money making endeavor for him. A comment from musk (to his 92 million followers) would be huge money.

The glaring hole in the argument is the lack of a single video of the same person visiting more than one ballot box. Should be very easy to find if his other assertions are true.

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This very thing was in the movie. I remember seeing the same male wearing the same clothes at two different drop boxes with a different vehicle. His clothing was distinctive. I think it might have been a gray sweatshirt and blue shoes. Maybe it's possible that TTV, with their mountains of evidence, didn't think proving this one thing happened with video because the damn GPS proves it happened over and over again. My goodness..

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Did you actually read your links or my question?

Yes, I understand there was an actual, real, little girl named Secoriea Turner who was murdered. I also understand that in reality there were two arrests made.

I want to know if there is any third-party validation of the True The Vote claim that they had anything to do with pointing law enforcement in the right direction with the use of their data tracking tools--THAT SPECIFICALLY was what I asked about.

Your linked stories (that I actually read, btw...probably makes one of us) mention nothing about that.

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And I even quoted you the section wherein it stated that the police refused to say how they got the information to make the second arrest. I wasn't hiding anything or suggesting anything other than there were two arrests a year a part. Neither proves nor disproves the claim of TTV.

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D'Souza is on twitter now trying to bait Elon into liking or commenting on his film.

The reason is obvious. This is a money making endeavor for him. A comment from musk (to his 92 million followers) would be huge money.

The glaring hole in the argument is the lack of a single video of the same person visiting more than one ballot box. Should be very easy to find if his other assertions are true.

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This very thing was in the movie. I remember seeing the same male wearing the same clothes at two different drop boxes with a different vehicle. His clothing was distinctive. I think it might have been a gray sweatshirt and blue shoes.

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No, you didn't.

You saw the same clip, multiple times. Gray hoodie guy tries to cram a bunch of ballots into the box, drops one on the ground. That one is shown at least twice, as is the woman that ditches the surgical gloves.

Again, I think what they say happened, actually happened. But this movie did not show iron-clad, 100% irrefutable proof that it was happening, which is what is needed for this discussion to get beyond right-leaning message boards, and even that might not do it.

Wrong....I saw two different vehicles in the two clips with the same guy. So not the same clip. This doesn't even matter though. Just ignore the mountains of highly accurate GPS data?

I think what would have helped you unbelievers was to show the travel of one person throughout the day graphically on a map with the organizations names and how long they were at the organization before moving on to the next drop box, which they did just once. The should have done that way more than they did.

Lol, yes, I was aware that you answered my question of "has anyone seen third-party confirmation that supports TTV's assertion" with two links that in fact did NOT answer my question nor confirm TTV's assertion.

Thanks for further clarification...or whatever the opposite of clarification is.

I think is was LBJ who said, "if you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'".

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Lol, yes, I was aware that you answered my question of "has anyone seen third-party confirmation that supports TTV's assertion" with two links that in fact did NOT answer my question nor confirm TTV's assertion.

Thanks for further clarification...or whatever the opposite of clarification is.

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If the cops won't verify it, who else could?

The part of this conspiracy theory that is the most ridiculous, at least in Georgia, is that the mules somehow managed to know exactly who wasn't going to fill out absentee ballots and fraudulently fill them out for them. I'm going to FFW to the end: it didn't happen. Otherwise there would have been a huge number of double ballots per voter on the voter roll.

What might have happened is ballot harvesting where people voted and someone delivered it to a ballot box that wasn't related to them. It's illegal and I could see that happening in some instances but not on the order of 10s of thousands. That's why Georgia has now closed outdoor ballot boxes. They are now all indoors so they can be locked at night and there will be cameras on them.

But these were real people voting -- They were on the voter roll, otherwise the vote would not have been counted. Also there is no way to prove whether those ballots shown in whatever random video were for Trump or Biden. Same for whatever Geolocating whatever. You are assuming this was someone delivering Biden ballots -- again this ballots were from real voters on the voter roll otherwise the vote would not have been counted.

So in order for this to be large scale fraud, on the order of 10s of thousands. Large numbers of otherwise Trump voters or independents somehow didn't vote and the dems knew exactly who this was, obtained their absentee ballot, filled it out for Biden and took it to a ballot box? That's ridiculous.

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The part of this conspiracy theory that is the most ridiculous, at least in Georgia, is that the mules somehow managed to know exactly who wasn't going to fill out absentee ballots and fraudulently fill them out for them.

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Gee, could that be related to the fact the entire state's voter rolls including voting history was stolen in September 2019? And those voter rolls were not updated before the 2020 election?

And that some election workers allegedly from the ACLU had the same voter rolls on their laptops? Apparently there was a problem on election day at a large precinct where the voter sign in system was not booting up. So this ACLU gal said, "No problem. I have a copy on my laptop."

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Voter rolls are public.

https://sos.ga.gov/page/order-voter-registration-lists-and-files

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The part of this conspiracy theory that is the most ridiculous, at least in Georgia, is that the mules somehow managed to know exactly who wasn't going to fill out absentee ballots and fraudulently fill them out for them.

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Gee, could that be related to the fact the entire state's voter rolls including voting history was stolen in September 2019? And those voter rolls were not updated before the 2020 election?

And that some election workers allegedly from the ACLU had the same voter rolls on their laptops? Apparently there was a problem on election day at a large precinct where the voter sign in system was not booting up. So this ACLU gal said, "No problem. I have a copy on my laptop."

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https://sos.ga.gov/page/order-voter-registration-lists-and-files

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With voting history?

i know you can stream it for free elsewhere, but the fact that this groundbreaking investigative work costs $30 to own and $20 to rent tells you all you need to know. how many times will its target audience let itself be grifted before they realize they're being taken advantage of?

at least the leftists who believed the myriad trump investigations would land him in prison didn't have to pay for their copium doses.

If you want to watch it, stream it. You don't have to pay for it. Do you have any more problems?

Anyone else notice Aggiehawg is like a bloodhound on a fresh scent once she jumps into the fray.

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i know you can stream it for free elsewhere, but the fact that this groundbreaking investigative work costs $30 to own and $20 to rent tells you all you need to know. how many times will its target audience let itself be grifted before they realize they're being taken advantage of?

at least the leftists who believed the myriad trump investigations would land him in prison didn't have to pay for their copium doses.

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You mean people expect to get paid for the products they produce? Gasp!

How much do you pay for CNN?

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Of course there was voter fraud, there has been fraud in every national election ever held in any country ever.

That being said I actually watched this while working on notes this morning and it left a lot to be desired. The foundation of the claim presented is the cell phone data tracking various "mules" to drop boxes and political headquarters. The problem is this is based on a rash of assumptions only some of which are reasonable.

Yeah the videos of the woman taking off her gloves and stuff is highly irregular, but the fact is 99.9% of the votes they counted in this documentary rely on said assumptions and some of them are baseless.

Now full disclosure, I have an inherent bias against D'Souza. I think he's a moron who has spent years grifting for profit. He gets absolutely obliterated in long form debates on any topic. Sam Harris, Hitchens and Jordan Peterson have all slapped him back to the Stone Age at various points. He's just not very bright and I don't believe he even believes half the content he puts out. He has a very Candice Owens vibe.

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Fine. Certainly this deserves an in depth investigation and the Dems would want it all exposed to show how it all wrong. I mean this is really damning evidence and they need to be able to show why it was all wrong. Instead I would expect they will use a combination of ignoring it and trying to destroy the people involved with it which is exactly what they would do if they know it is true.

I am also confident that D'Souza would do a live interview or debate with no opportunity to edit to discuss the movie and issues.

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My thoughts on this are similar to those laid out by Ben Shapiro on his podcast today.

The documentary clearly demonstrates some highly unusual activity that is pretty clearly indicative of attempts on some level to harvest votes and submit them in a manner that is illegal in most places in which it is done. The documentary also, by design, never directly makes the claim that the ballots in question were fabricated entirely, ie it was votes from dead people, completely falsified ballots, etc. It only attempts to imply that, which is a red flag. Moreover, so much of what you'd expect to be released wasnt. Why were the specific 501c organizations disclosed? Why wasnt any attempt made to demonstrate someone on video going to multiple different drop points? Why was no comparison made to states that went heavily for Trump? These are all things that would have significantly helped their case and they did none of them.

At this point we have a documentary that shows pretty clearly attempts were made to harvest votes from eligible voters and deposit them in large numbers so as to obtain a large number of votes that otherwise would not have been cast, presumably largely for Joe Biden. We then have an implication from those making the film, and an assumption by some of its viewers, that this means a large scale attempt to deposit completely fabricated votes. The latter claim is simply not demonstrated, and it is a significant difference.Using illegal means to obtain LEGAL votes from those who otherwise would be unlikely to cast them, which seems very likely to me at this point, is very different from making up hundreds of thousands of votes out of whole cloth.

The former would lead to a lot of revision in voting laws in many places but would not result in the election being overturned, because the argument that they were still ACTUAL votes would carry the day. The latter is the only way any of the crazy scenarios being tossed about would occur, and theres just not muc evidence of it.

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The part of this conspiracy theory that is the most ridiculous, at least in Georgia, is that the mules somehow managed to know exactly who wasn't going to fill out absentee ballots and fraudulently fill them out for them.

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Gee, could that be related to the fact the entire state's voter rolls including voting history was stolen in September 2019? And those voter rolls were not updated before the 2020 election?

And that some election workers allegedly from the ACLU had the same voter rolls on their laptops? Apparently there was a problem on election day at a large precinct where the voter sign in system was not booting up. So this ACLU gal said, "No problem. I have a copy on my laptop."

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https://sos.ga.gov/page/order-voter-registration-lists-and-files

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I would respectfully suggest that you are missing part of the point. One you don't have to have an invalid or double vote or a false vote etc for it to be illegal. If someone is taking votes of people they either are not a caregiver for or related to then it is illegally cast. The reason is obvious, chain of custody. The other part that this did a horrendous job of was putting the other half of this organization together in how they solicited ballots. They gave an explanation but no real documentary evidence aside from the interview with the so called whistleblower. That was a very poor interview.

Will anything happen? Maybe a few reforms in some states but not enough where it matters currently.

Voter fraud is easy to accomplish, hard to track and is/was designed that way to keep machine politicans in office. Anyone who has heard the insider stories about the Hutchinsons or Ann Richards or the Bushes or guys like John Wiley Price just here in Texas and don't think machine politics exists? You just have your eyes closed.

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Going to a box 1x with multiple ballots isn't breaking the law.

Going to multiple boxes with any number of ballots is absolutely breaking the law.

And the movies entire premise. That the geoloc data shows paid mules making drops at multiple boxes per day. In some cases, more than 20 or 30 drops per day.

Oh and hey we've got 4 million hours of tape.

Buttttttt we gonna be selective and just show you the strange bits and pieces but NOT ONE SINGLE CLIP of a person hitting up 2 boxes. Much less 10 or 20.

Credibility of the movie = flushed down the crapper.

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In his smash-hit move, 2000 Mules, Dinesh D'Souza carefully, and entertainingly, demonstrated how True the Vote, a voter integrity organization, was able to prove incontrovertibly that left-wing non-profits used mules to stuff ballots, bringing in, at a minimum, hundreds of thousands of Biden votes in swing states. The movie, however, describes the data without releasing them and does not identify the non-profits. Now, though, True the Vote is planning to publish everything. That's an information bomb that should blow apart any claims that Biden's victory wasn't the result of massive fraud.

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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/05/true_the_vote_is_about_to_drop_an_information_bomb_regarding_election_fraud.html

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I just watched it, and while the allegations certainly merit investigation, I didn't really see a smoking gun, as I was surprised they didn't even consider the following:

• The folks wearing gloves could just as easily have been germaphobes, wary of touching surfaces touched by others due to all the COVID hysteria, as they could be folks trying to avoid leaving fingerprints on ballot envelopes. I've got family like that: still wearing masks in public, putting sanitizer on everything, and basically still freaking out about the pandemic over our protests that they don't need to worry, and the gloves/sanitizer isn't going to do much against an aerosol transmitted virus anyhow.
  
• The folks taking pics of the ballot boxes could have been taking the photos as proof of where they submitted their ballot if there was any question about the validity of their vote that they might have to contest with the local voting authority, so that too seemed a stretch to infer that that could only be "mules collecting proof for payment."
  
• I kept wondering if they even considered that an Uber/Lyft driver could have been regularly covering the routes that were shown, and easily been within proximity of the geofences they setup around the ballot collection boxes.
  
• In several of the surveillance vids it looked like the boxes were already full, and some ballots fell out as the individual tried to stuff theirs in, rather than a clear case of that person coming with a stack of ballots and trying to jam them all into the collection box.

In short, if one is being fair, the filmmakers leave plenty of room to establish reasonable doubt about the charges being forwarded, without significantly more detail about methods, locations, etc. being provided to make it an iron-clad case.

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4 million hours of tape, no repeat mules.

Math don't add up. Sorry.

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Lol, they showed all 4 million hours of tape?

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They have never seen a woman with a ***** either, yet they fervently believe they exist.

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Or a man who is pregnant. But they'll die on the hill defending it.

This isn't going to do anything about the 2020 election.


It better damn sure guarantee Republicans are conducting as much lawfare over 2022 election rules as possible and not a single ballot box isn't under team volunteer surveillance every moment it is open, no matter what it takes.

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In looking at patterns, Phillips also found evidence of crossover between those who rioted in 2020 and those who participated in the trafficking. Through an entity "funded by federal law enforcement agencies all over the world. It is called the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data and Target Devices (ACLED). It is a database of all of the device IDs that show up at the violent protests around the world," said Phillips.

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Working with that data, his team "identified 14 targeted devices that participated in one or more of the violent riots in Wisconsin during 2020. Soof our device IDs, of all the ones we identifiedabout 10% or so participated in some violent riots in the state."

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All from the same link I posted above.

ETA: These visits were most commonly made between 8 PM and 5 AM.

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• During the presentation, he mapped out a sample of 4 devices that traveled on Oct. 20, 2020. Roughly 20 dropbox visits by four devices on one day, for example, according to Phillips. The graphic below "represents just four of our 130 or so different devices on one particular day."the height of hubris for anyone to post these mules could be harvesting infirm family members not capable of dropping off their own mail-in ballots.

This is one damn day, mules were documented doing this circuit of corruption on several days.
That's ONE HELL OF A FRIGGING LAREGE FAMILY

People need to stop citing this idiocy claiming it could be just the mule's family members or infirm friends. It is beyon comprehension people believe this family member bull*****

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Of course there was voter fraud, there has been fraud in every national election ever held in any country ever.

That being said I actually watched this while working on notes this morning and it left a lot to be desired. The foundation of the claim presented is the cell phone data tracking various "mules" to drop boxes and political headquarters. The problem is this is based on a rash of assumptions only some of which are reasonable.

Yeah the videos of the woman taking off her gloves and stuff is highly irregular, but the fact is 99.9% of the votes they counted in this documentary rely on said assumptions and some of them are baseless.

Now full disclosure, I have an inherent bias against D'Souza. I think he's a moron who has spent years grifting for profit. He gets absolutely obliterated in long form debates on any topic. Sam Harris, Hitchens and Jordan Peterson have all slapped him back to the Stone Age at various points. He's just not very bright and I don't believe he even believes half the content he puts out. He has a very Candice Owens vibe.

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Fine. Certainly this deserves an in depth investigation and the Dems would want it all exposed to show how it all wrong. I mean this is really damning evidence and they need to be able to show why it was all wrong. Instead I would expect they will use a combination of ignoring it and trying to destroy the people involved with it which is exactly what they would do if they know it is true.

I am also confident that D'Souza would do a live interview or debate with no opportunity to edit to discuss the movie and issues.

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My thoughts on this are similar to those laid out by Ben Shapiro on his podcast today.

The documentary clearly demonstrates some highly unusual activity that is pretty clearly indicative of attempts on some level to harvest votes and submit them in a manner that is illegal in most places in which it is done. The documentary also, by design, never directly makes the claim that the ballots in question were fabricated entirely, ie it was votes from dead people, completely falsified ballots, etc. It only attempts to imply that, which is a red flag. Moreover, so much of what you'd expect to be released wasnt. Why were the specific 501c organizations disclosed? Why wasnt any attempt made to demonstrate someone on video going to multiple different drop points? Why was no comparison made to states that went heavily for Trump? These are all things that would have significantly helped their case and they did none of them.

At this point we have a documentary that shows pretty clearly attempts were made to harvest votes from eligible voters and deposit them in large numbers so as to obtain a large number of votes that otherwise would not have been cast, presumably largely for Joe Biden. We then have an implication from those making the film, and an assumption by some of its viewers, that this means a large scale attempt to deposit completely fabricated votes. The latter claim is simply not demonstrated, and it is a significant difference.Using illegal means to obtain LEGAL votes from those who otherwise would be unlikely to cast them, which seems very likely to me at this point, is very different from making up hundreds of thousands of votes out of whole cloth.

The former would lead to a lot of revision in voting laws in many places but would not result in the election being overturned, because the argument that they were still ACTUAL votes would carry the day. The latter is the only way any of the crazy scenarios being tossed about would occur, and theres just not muc evidence of it.

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How much evidence did you require to support impeaching Trump?

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The part of this conspiracy theory that is the most ridiculous, at least in Georgia, is that the mules somehow managed to know exactly who wasn't going to fill out absentee ballots and fraudulently fill them out for them. I'm going to FFW to the end: it didn't happen. Otherwise there would have been a huge number of double ballots per voter on the voter roll.

What might have happened is ballot harvesting where people voted and someone delivered it to a ballot box that wasn't related to them. It's illegal and I could see that happening in some instances but not on the order of 10s of thousands. That's why Georgia has now closed outdoor ballot boxes. They are now all indoors so they can be locked at night and there will be cameras on them.

But these were real people voting -- They were on the voter roll, otherwise the vote would not have been counted. Also there is no way to prove whether those ballots shown in whatever random video were for Trump or Biden. Same for whatever Geolocating whatever. You are assuming this was someone delivering Biden ballots -- again this ballots were from real voters on the voter roll otherwise the vote would not have been counted.

So in order for this to be large scale fraud, on the order of 10s of thousands. Large numbers of otherwise Trump voters or independents somehow didn't vote and the dems knew exactly who this was, obtained their absentee ballot, filled it out for Biden and took it to a ballot box? That's ridiculous.

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Again, you really really should watch the movie

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Of course there was voter fraud, there has been fraud in every national election ever held in any country ever.

That being said I actually watched this while working on notes this morning and it left a lot to be desired. The foundation of the claim presented is the cell phone data tracking various "mules" to drop boxes and political headquarters. The problem is this is based on a rash of assumptions only some of which are reasonable.

Yeah the videos of the woman taking off her gloves and stuff is highly irregular, but the fact is 99.9% of the votes they counted in this documentary rely on said assumptions and some of them are baseless.

Now full disclosure, I have an inherent bias against D'Souza. I think he's a moron who has spent years grifting for profit. He gets absolutely obliterated in long form debates on any topic. Sam Harris, Hitchens and Jordan Peterson have all slapped him back to the Stone Age at various points. He's just not very bright and I don't believe he even believes half the content he puts out. He has a very Candice Owens vibe.

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Fine. Certainly this deserves an in depth investigation and the Dems would want it all exposed to show how it all wrong. I mean this is really damning evidence and they need to be able to show why it was all wrong. Instead I would expect they will use a combination of ignoring it and trying to destroy the people involved with it which is exactly what they would do if they know it is true.

I am also confident that D'Souza would do a live interview or debate with no opportunity to edit to discuss the movie and issues.

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My thoughts on this are similar to those laid out by Ben Shapiro on his podcast today.

The documentary clearly demonstrates some highly unusual activity that is pretty clearly indicative of attempts on some level to harvest votes and submit them in a manner that is illegal in most places in which it is done. The documentary also, by design, never directly makes the claim that the ballots in question were fabricated entirely, ie it was votes from dead people, completely falsified ballots, etc. It only attempts to imply that, which is a red flag. Moreover, so much of what you'd expect to be released wasnt. Why were the specific 501c organizations disclosed? Why wasnt any attempt made to demonstrate someone on video going to multiple different drop points? Why was no comparison made to states that went heavily for Trump? These are all things that would have significantly helped their case and they did none of them.

At this point we have a documentary that shows pretty clearly attempts were made to harvest votes from eligible voters and deposit them in large numbers so as to obtain a large number of votes that otherwise would not have been cast, presumably largely for Joe Biden. We then have an implication from those making the film, and an assumption by some of its viewers, that this means a large scale attempt to deposit completely fabricated votes. The latter claim is simply not demonstrated, and it is a significant difference.Using illegal means to obtain LEGAL votes from those who otherwise would be unlikely to cast them, which seems very likely to me at this point, is very different from making up hundreds of thousands of votes out of whole cloth.

The former would lead to a lot of revision in voting laws in many places but would not result in the election being overturned, because the argument that they were still ACTUAL votes would carry the day. The latter is the only way any of the crazy scenarios being tossed about would occur, and theres just not muc evidence of it.

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How much evidence did you require to support impeaching Trump?

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The impeachment attempts were completely unfounded as nothing he did came close to the criteria needed for impeachment, in my opinion.

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The part of this conspiracy theory that is the most ridiculous, at least in Georgia, is that the mules somehow managed to know exactly who wasn't going to fill out absentee ballots and fraudulently fill them out for them. I'm going to FFW to the end: it didn't happen. Otherwise there would have been a huge number of double ballots per voter on the voter roll.

What might have happened is ballot harvesting where people voted and someone delivered it to a ballot box that wasn't related to them. It's illegal and I could see that happening in some instances but not on the order of 10s of thousands. That's why Georgia has now closed outdoor ballot boxes. They are now all indoors so they can be locked at night and there will be cameras on them.

But these were real people voting -- They were on the voter roll, otherwise the vote would not have been counted. Also there is no way to prove whether those ballots shown in whatever random video were for Trump or Biden. Same for whatever Geolocating whatever. You are assuming this was someone delivering Biden ballots -- again this ballots were from real voters on the voter roll otherwise the vote would not have been counted.

So in order for this to be large scale fraud, on the order of 10s of thousands. Large numbers of otherwise Trump voters or independents somehow didn't vote and the dems knew exactly who this was, obtained their absentee ballot, filled it out for Biden and took it to a ballot box? That's ridiculous.

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Again, you really really should watch the movie

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What he posted amount to the direct claims made in the movie. The IMPLICATION that is never outright claimed is that the ballots were fabricated.

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Of course there was voter fraud, there has been fraud in every national election ever held in any country ever.

That being said I actually watched this while working on notes this morning and it left a lot to be desired. The foundation of the claim presented is the cell phone data tracking various "mules" to drop boxes and political headquarters. The problem is this is based on a rash of assumptions only some of which are reasonable.

Yeah the videos of the woman taking off her gloves and stuff is highly irregular, but the fact is 99.9% of the votes they counted in this documentary rely on said assumptions and some of them are baseless.

Now full disclosure, I have an inherent bias against D'Souza. I think he's a moron who has spent years grifting for profit. He gets absolutely obliterated in long form debates on any topic. Sam Harris, Hitchens and Jordan Peterson have all slapped him back to the Stone Age at various points. He's just not very bright and I don't believe he even believes half the content he puts out. He has a very Candice Owens vibe.

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Fine. Certainly this deserves an in depth investigation and the Dems would want it all exposed to show how it all wrong. I mean this is really damning evidence and they need to be able to show why it was all wrong. Instead I would expect they will use a combination of ignoring it and trying to destroy the people involved with it which is exactly what they would do if they know it is true.

I am also confident that D'Souza would do a live interview or debate with no opportunity to edit to discuss the movie and issues.

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My thoughts on this are similar to those laid out by Ben Shapiro on his podcast today.

The documentary clearly demonstrates some highly unusual activity that is pretty clearly indicative of attempts on some level to harvest votes and submit them in a manner that is illegal in most places in which it is done. The documentary also, by design, never directly makes the claim that the ballots in question were fabricated entirely, ie it was votes from dead people, completely falsified ballots, etc. It only attempts to imply that, which is a red flag. Moreover, so much of what you'd expect to be released wasnt. Why were the specific 501c organizations disclosed? Why wasnt any attempt made to demonstrate someone on video going to multiple different drop points? Why was no comparison made to states that went heavily for Trump? These are all things that would have significantly helped their case and they did none of them.

At this point we have a documentary that shows pretty clearly attempts were made to harvest votes from eligible voters and deposit them in large numbers so as to obtain a large number of votes that otherwise would not have been cast, presumably largely for Joe Biden. We then have an implication from those making the film, and an assumption by some of its viewers, that this means a large scale attempt to deposit completely fabricated votes. The latter claim is simply not demonstrated, and it is a significant difference.Using illegal means to obtain LEGAL votes from those who otherwise would be unlikely to cast them, which seems very likely to me at this point, is very different from making up hundreds of thousands of votes out of whole cloth.

The former would lead to a lot of revision in voting laws in many places but would not result in the election being overturned, because the argument that they were still ACTUAL votes would carry the day. The latter is the only way any of the crazy scenarios being tossed about would occur, and theres just not muc evidence of it.

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Considering the filmmakers got zero help from the government, the FBI, or any police that's pretty amazing. If your standard is that they had to make a lock down solid case beyond a reasonable doubt without any of that cooperation I suppose that's fine. To me it certainly shows there was a hell of a lot that should have been investigated and the lack of cooperation or interest in doing so is damning. When you combine it with the massive amount of circumstantial evidence (Dem districts taking forever to count votes with delay after delay, huge vote totals found in the middle of the night that broke all previous norms, 30 million more votes than prior elections with a horrific Dem candidate, on and on and on) it is suspicious as hell. I'm a POLS major and have closely followed elections for decades and this election was filled with so many things that just "don't happen".

Will it be overturned? I can't see that but I do think it takes away from the legitimacy of the Biden Administration and more importantly the lack of investigation and desire to have a transparent and open process has damaged our faith in elections, probably permanently. I have no faith in our government at this point. When you have the media literally shutting down anyone who dares question the results and having zero interest in finding out facts or simply playing defense for the Dems I don't know what else to say.

Do you still vote for the party that did it?

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Anyone else notice Aggiehawg is like a bloodhound on a fresh scent once she jumps into the fray.

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Trial lawyer background. Weakness? Pounce.