The NATO Strike Group lead by the U.S Navyβs Harry S. Truman Aircraft Carrier are now Operating in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea just South of Greece and Turkey. https://t.co/0ClTdeMhUB
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Russia in real scrape the barrel - on the footage we can see 9K55 Grad-1 MRLS on ZiL-131. This systems decommissioned decades ago.
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Just tell them we will stop supplying weapons when they stop attacking sovereign countries.aggiehawg said:"Lend-Lease, MOFOs. You never paid us back from WWII. So we are repossessing your equipment, one piece at a time. Pray we don't alter the agreement further."Blackbeard94 said:Return the note with a simple line at the bottom...."Go **** Yourself"Rossticus said:
Russia demanding things makes me laugh.Russia's Foreign Ministry has confirmed it sent diplomatic notes to the United States and other partners demanding a halt to their arms supplies to Ukraine.https://t.co/wZPr2xbJwq
— The New Voice of Ukraine (@NewVoiceUkraine) April 16, 2022
President Volodymyr Zelensky acknowledged on Saturday that the Ukrainian forces still defending Mariupol control only a small part of the port city, and face a better-equipped force that is six times larger than their own.
— Iuliia Mendel (@IuliiaMendel) April 16, 2022
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Thanks for the explanation folks.
The CBR generates a 10 digit grid to the point of origin and a presumptive weapon identification based on the velocity and trajectory. It can distinguish a 122mm rocket from a 122mm howitzer shell or a 82mm mortar based on those factors but it would probably not be able to distinguish a 122mm howitzer shell from a 152mm howitzer shell unless the 152mm trajectory as longer than the range of a 122mm.
I don't believe any of the Ukrainian artillery has a digital fire control systembut that shouldn't cause a significant time lag. Howitzers assigned a mission of counterbattery fire are usually manned with a crew that has a projectile fuzed with a VT (varaiable time) proximity fuze for an air burst 7m above the ground ready to ram into the breech. When they get the fire command from the battery Fire Direction Center the gun crew traverses and elevates the tube onto the taret, set the fuze time, rams the projo and puts the propellant charge behind it, locks the breech, and hooks up and pulls the lanyard. All of that should take less than 30 seconds from the time that deflection and quadrant are sent by the FDC even in a fully manual artillery battery.
As a historical example, back in 1983 during the Marine Corps presence in Beirut at the airport compound they were getting sporadic mortar fire from Druze militia that would set up 82mm mortars on street corners and quicky lob a half dozen mortar projectIles before picking up the mortar and displacing.
The Marines fixed that issue by setting a 105mm gun section with pre-fuzed proJos that only had to have the charges cut and they had the CBR turned on all the time. The Druze didn't have their own radar so there was no danger in having the CBR turned on around the clock.
The CBR was able to detect the 82mm mortar rounds on their ascending arc and send the location to the FDC in seconds. The gun crew on the 105mm howitzer could fire two rounds at low angle that hit the mortar position before the high-angle mortar rounds even hit the ground. The Druze stopped lobbing mortar rounds at the Marine compound because they were superstitious and believed that the Marines' guns were haunted because they could shoot back before their mortar rounds exploded.
I don't believe any of the Ukrainian artillery has a digital fire control systembut that shouldn't cause a significant time lag. Howitzers assigned a mission of counterbattery fire are usually manned with a crew that has a projectile fuzed with a VT (varaiable time) proximity fuze for an air burst 7m above the ground ready to ram into the breech. When they get the fire command from the battery Fire Direction Center the gun crew traverses and elevates the tube onto the taret, set the fuze time, rams the projo and puts the propellant charge behind it, locks the breech, and hooks up and pulls the lanyard. All of that should take less than 30 seconds from the time that deflection and quadrant are sent by the FDC even in a fully manual artillery battery.
As a historical example, back in 1983 during the Marine Corps presence in Beirut at the airport compound they were getting sporadic mortar fire from Druze militia that would set up 82mm mortars on street corners and quicky lob a half dozen mortar projectIles before picking up the mortar and displacing.
The Marines fixed that issue by setting a 105mm gun section with pre-fuzed proJos that only had to have the charges cut and they had the CBR turned on all the time. The Druze didn't have their own radar so there was no danger in having the CBR turned on around the clock.
The CBR was able to detect the 82mm mortar rounds on their ascending arc and send the location to the FDC in seconds. The gun crew on the 105mm howitzer could fire two rounds at low angle that hit the mortar position before the high-angle mortar rounds even hit the ground. The Druze stopped lobbing mortar rounds at the Marine compound because they were superstitious and believed that the Marines' guns were haunted because they could shoot back before their mortar rounds exploded.
They should be easily able to cannibalize parts from other tanks, at least for the T-72s.PJYoung said:Russia losing its ability to replace some of its most frontline T-72 variants is going to hurt. Per @oryxspioenkop Russia has lost-
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 16, 2022
77 T-72B3
86 T72B3 OBR. 2016
17 T-90A https://t.co/reDwJkVl8g
Didn't they already announce this weeks ago, or was that another factory?PJYoung said:Russia losing its ability to replace some of its most frontline T-72 variants is going to hurt. Per @oryxspioenkop Russia has lost-
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 16, 2022
77 T-72B3
86 T72B3 OBR. 2016
17 T-90A https://t.co/reDwJkVl8g
Edit: Yes, there was an article about this on March 22nd.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-halts-tank-production-due-supply-problems-ukraine-claims-1690388
Should be is not what we are seeing in practice. Russian army does not have those types of trained guys to adapt on the fly from what I have seen, thus far.deddog said:They should be easily able to cannibalize parts from other tanks, at least for the T-72s.PJYoung said:Russia losing its ability to replace some of its most frontline T-72 variants is going to hurt. Per @oryxspioenkop Russia has lost-
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 16, 2022
77 T-72B3
86 T72B3 OBR. 2016
17 T-90A https://t.co/reDwJkVl8g
Quite a few of them were last seen behind a Ukrainian tractor. So if there is any cannibalizing of parts going on, it is probably on the Ukrainian side.deddog said:They should be easily able to cannibalize parts from other tanks, at least for the T-72s.PJYoung said:Russia losing its ability to replace some of its most frontline T-72 variants is going to hurt. Per @oryxspioenkop Russia has lost-
— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 16, 2022
77 T-72B3
86 T72B3 OBR. 2016
17 T-90A https://t.co/reDwJkVl8g
Skoal/Copenhagen pouches. I guess Texas doesn't have monopoly on the Marketaggiehawg said:
What are snus?
What is the Shrek stuff a couple of pages ago about?
An American showed up and asked about earning medals. He was sent away from the front.Sea Speed said:
What is the Shrek stuff a couple of pages ago about?
For the short period he was on / near the front they called him Shrek.
That's a nickname for a boneheaded soldier that James Vasquez encountered.
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/16-april-ukrainian-military-in-joint-forces-operation-zone
"Ukrainian military in Joint Forces Operation zone repelled 10 Russian attacks today. 15 tanks, 3 pieces of artillery, 24 armoured vehicles destroyed. 4 Orlan-10 drones and 2 cruise missiles shot down."
"Ukrainian military in Joint Forces Operation zone repelled 10 Russian attacks today. 15 tanks, 3 pieces of artillery, 24 armoured vehicles destroyed. 4 Orlan-10 drones and 2 cruise missiles shot down."
Surely some mope didn't think he would actually earn metals.
Also, was there a pic of this guy?
Also, was there a pic of this guy?
Probably going to see a ton of aggression for Russia this week. Ukes need to hold the line this week and withstand the onslaught and Russia probably runs out of steam again.
That's my thought. Russia's building up for a massive offensive. I wish Ukraine could hit the massed up areas right now to soften them up. We know where they are if Speak The Truth on Youtube is correct. Here's praying some of the valuable equipment being sent their way makes it where it needs to go.wangus12 said:
Probably going to see a ton of aggression for Russia this week. Ukes need to hold the line this week and withstand the onslaught and Russia probably runs out of steam again.
What the ****.Ulysses90 said:
The CBR generates a 10 digit grid to the point of origin and a presumptive weapon identification based on the velocity and trajectory. It can distinguish a 122mm rocket from a 122mm howitzer shell or a 82mm mortar based on those factors but it would probably not be able to distinguish a 122mm howitzer shell from a 152mm howitzer shell unless the 152mm trajectory as longer than the range of a 122mm.
I don't believe any of the Ukrainian artillery has a digital fire control systembut that shouldn't cause a significant time lag. Howitzers assigned a mission of counterbattery fire are usually manned with a crew that has a projectile fuzed with a VT (varaiable time) proximity fuze for an air burst 7m above the ground ready to ram into the breech. When they get the fire command from the battery Fire Direction Center the gun crew traverses and elevates the tube onto the taret, set the fuze time, rams the projo and puts the propellant charge behind it, locks the breech, and hooks up and pulls the lanyard. All of that should take less than 30 seconds from the time that deflection and quadrant are sent by the FDC even in a fully manual artillery battery.
As a historical example, back in 1983 during the Marine Corps presence in Beirut at the airport compound they were getting sporadic mortar fire from Druze militia that would set up 82mm mortars on street corners and quicky lob a half dozen mortar projectIles before picking up the mortar and displacing.
The Marines fixed that issue by setting a 105mm gun section with pre-fuzed proJos that only had to have the charges cut and they had the CBR turned on all the time. The Druze didn't have their own radar so there was no danger in having the CBR turned on around the clock.
The CBR was able to detect the 82mm mortar rounds on their ascending arc and send the location to the FDC in seconds. The gun crew on the 105mm howitzer could fire two rounds at low angle that hit the mortar position before the high-angle mortar rounds even hit the ground. The Druze stopped lobbing mortar rounds at the Marine compound because they were superstitious and believed that the Marines' guns were haunted because they could shoot back before their mortar rounds exploded.
Thank you for that summary by the way, Ulysses90. I had no idea counter battery artillery could be this fast, this accurate. Is it possible to actually completely automate this?
What would be your recommendations for the Ukes operating in a wide open field, where they enemy has air power, drones, and much longer artillery range? If the CBR communicates the coordinates, drones can counter attack as well right?
Mortars go high and slow. Artillery can go high or low trajectory and fast.
Gotcha. And of course multiple batteries can counter fire I assume. Modern warfare is nuts.GAC06 said:
Mortars go high and slow. Artillery can go high or low trajectory and fast.
We had IDF radar at Camp Bastion. It usually sounded the alarm right after the explosions.
US authorities are concerned that ammunition of the Ukrainian army is rapidly depleting, especially artillery shells, and therefore they are accelerating supply of arms aid, unnamed official tells CNNhttps://t.co/cHYufHYAlX
— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) April 16, 2022
While I'm disappointed that ammo boxes aren't quite raining down on the Ukes, it warms my heart to know they're giving the Ruskies hell.Quote:
While the United States is shipping 18 155mm towed howitzers and 40,000 artillery rounds to Ukraine this week, even that amount could be expended within several days, raising the prospect of Ukraine forces running out of ammunition, the official said.
During some of the heavy earlier fighting, Ukrainian forces fired up to thousands of artillery rounds in a given day, the official noted.
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley are conducting daily phone calls with counterparts in the region to encourage them to ship more weapons and supplies to Ukraine as soon as possible.
Ukrainian soldiers firing artillery and shouting "Russian warship go **** yourself". This vid started popping up after the Moskva successfully intercepted two Neptune missiles.
#Ukrainian artillery is sending some gifts to the #Russians.
— Canadian Ukrainian Volunteer πΊπ¦π¨π¦βπ» (@CanadianUkrain1) April 15, 2022
Glory to #Ukraine! πΊπ¦βπ» pic.twitter.com/oYVICvKDar
GAC06 said:
We had IDF radar at Camp Bastion. It usually sounded the alarm right after the explosions.
Houthis would lob TBMs over/around PSAB in Saudi on the regular during the 2020 timeframe and every time they sounded the alarm it would be about a min or so after either impact near Riyadh or Patriot F-pole on the RV/warhead. Eventually I just decided that if it was my time, it was my time and I'd just die comfortable in my rack rather than throw on Kevlar and run to the bunker.
Exactly. I survived my first rocket attack sleeping in my rack. I thought about putting on my flak and Kevlar and going to the shelter but by the time you hear the explosions it's over. We had a guy that was high strung who worried about being out in the open. I pointed out to him that a rocket could get him in his office or in the chow hall or in his rack and that if he hears a rocket explode it means he just survived a rocket attack. It seemed to unnerve him further.
Of course we had the luxury of knowing the enemy couldn't correct their barrages without getting smoked.
Of course we had the luxury of knowing the enemy couldn't correct their barrages without getting smoked.
please have in mind that dog's Ukrainian name Patron should be translated to English as Bullet or something similar ;)
— ALP (@alpucal) April 16, 2022
CondensedFoggyAggie said:What the ****.Ulysses90 said:
The CBR generates a 10 digit grid to the point of origin and a presumptive weapon identification based on the velocity and trajectory. It can distinguish a 122mm rocket from a 122mm howitzer shell or a 82mm mortar based on those factors but it would probably not be able to distinguish a 122mm howitzer shell from a 152mm howitzer shell unless the 152mm trajectory as longer than the range of a 122mm.
I don't believe any of the Ukrainian artillery has a digital fire control systembut that shouldn't cause a significant time lag. Howitzers assigned a mission of counterbattery fire are usually manned with a crew that has a projectile fuzed with a VT (varaiable time) proximity fuze for an air burst 7m above the ground ready to ram into the breech. When they get the fire command from the battery Fire Direction Center the gun crew traverses and elevates the tube onto the taret, set the fuze time, rams the projo and puts the propellant charge behind it, locks the breech, and hooks up and pulls the lanyard. All of that should take less than 30 seconds from the time that deflection and quadrant are sent by the FDC even in a fully manual artillery battery.
As a historical example, back in 1983 during the Marine Corps presence in Beirut at the airport compound they were getting sporadic mortar fire from Druze militia that would set up 82mm mortars on street corners and quicky lob a half dozen mortar projectIles before picking up the mortar and displacing.
The Marines fixed that issue by setting a 105mm gun section with pre-fuzed proJos that only had to have the charges cut and they had the CBR turned on all the time. The Druze didn't have their own radar so there was no danger in having the CBR turned on around the clock.
The CBR was able to detect the 82mm mortar rounds on their ascending arc and send the location to the FDC in seconds. The gun crew on the 105mm howitzer could fire two rounds at low angle that hit the mortar position before the high-angle mortar rounds even hit the ground. The Druze stopped lobbing mortar rounds at the Marine compound because they were superstitious and believed that the Marines' guns were haunted because they could shoot back before their mortar rounds exploded.
Thank you for that summary by the way, Ulysses90. I had no idea counter battery artillery could be this fast, this accurate. Is it possible to actually completely automate this?
What would be your recommendations for the Ukes operating in a wide open field, where they enemy has air power, drones, and much longer artillery range? If the CBR communicates the coordinates, drones can counter attack as well right?
Counterfire can be this fast but western armies have spent the time and money to mostly automate the process. The Ukrainian army doesn't have that degree of automation but even a manual couterfire loop can be very fast with practice. It just has to happen within the never ending cycle of shoot-move-communicate.
The CBR radar feeds (what used to be called) the Target Production Cell (TPC) that generates targets for the Fire Support Coordination Center that passes missions to firing batteries. In an automated system a designated couterfire unit can get the target location sent straight to the battery FDC and the fire solution can be computed by the AFATDS and sent to the guns so it can take well under a minute. There is always a human in the loop that reviews and approves the fire mission because it might be located in a no-fire area (NFA) where friendlies or civilians are located or a church or so other infrastructure. The Russians like putting artillery next to civilian infrastructure.
The ability to have your radars on all the time is a luxury that the Ukrainians don't have because they are fighting an enemy that can sent missiles to home in on radars. They have to displace their radars frequently to keep them from being hit.
I really like the potential of passive localization sendors like the AMMS from Microflown because it can be employed far forward of the couterfire battery with the infantry. The AMMS could triangulate the location of Russian artillery up to six KM away and send that grid by voice or digitally back to the battery without radiating and giving up their own location. A low power burst radio transmission is a lot less likely to be detected than a CBR antenna that pushes a lot of power.
Finding Russian artillery as soon as they fire and quickly fixing them in ace and destroying it is really important.
Sounds like they're soon going to need replacement barrels as well.CondensedFoggyAggie said:US authorities are concerned that ammunition of the Ukrainian army is rapidly depleting, especially artillery shells, and therefore they are accelerating supply of arms aid, unnamed official tells CNNhttps://t.co/cHYufHYAlX
— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) April 16, 2022While I'm disappointed that ammo boxes aren't quite raining down on the Ukes, it warms my heart to know they're giving the Ruskies hell.Quote:
While the United States is shipping 18 155mm towed howitzers and 40,000 artillery rounds to Ukraine this week, even that amount could be expended within several days, raising the prospect of Ukraine forces running out of ammunition, the official said.
During some of the heavy earlier fighting, Ukrainian forces fired up to thousands of artillery rounds in a given day, the official noted.
US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley are conducting daily phone calls with counterparts in the region to encourage them to ship more weapons and supplies to Ukraine as soon as possible.
Three batteries aren't firing 40,000 rds anytime soon. I wonder if we're supplying ammo for former Soviet systems as well
Fresh graves in Irpin, around 1200~1500.
Remember, this is but one of many mass grave locations around the entire country.
Fascinating, thank you again.Ulysses90 said:CondensedFoggyAggie said:What the ****.Ulysses90 said:
The CBR generates a 10 digit grid to the point of origin and a presumptive weapon identification based on the velocity and trajectory. It can distinguish a 122mm rocket from a 122mm howitzer shell or a 82mm mortar based on those factors but it would probably not be able to distinguish a 122mm howitzer shell from a 152mm howitzer shell unless the 152mm trajectory as longer than the range of a 122mm.
I don't believe any of the Ukrainian artillery has a digital fire control systembut that shouldn't cause a significant time lag. Howitzers assigned a mission of counterbattery fire are usually manned with a crew that has a projectile fuzed with a VT (varaiable time) proximity fuze for an air burst 7m above the ground ready to ram into the breech. When they get the fire command from the battery Fire Direction Center the gun crew traverses and elevates the tube onto the taret, set the fuze time, rams the projo and puts the propellant charge behind it, locks the breech, and hooks up and pulls the lanyard. All of that should take less than 30 seconds from the time that deflection and quadrant are sent by the FDC even in a fully manual artillery battery.
As a historical example, back in 1983 during the Marine Corps presence in Beirut at the airport compound they were getting sporadic mortar fire from Druze militia that would set up 82mm mortars on street corners and quicky lob a half dozen mortar projectIles before picking up the mortar and displacing.
The Marines fixed that issue by setting a 105mm gun section with pre-fuzed proJos that only had to have the charges cut and they had the CBR turned on all the time. The Druze didn't have their own radar so there was no danger in having the CBR turned on around the clock.
The CBR was able to detect the 82mm mortar rounds on their ascending arc and send the location to the FDC in seconds. The gun crew on the 105mm howitzer could fire two rounds at low angle that hit the mortar position before the high-angle mortar rounds even hit the ground. The Druze stopped lobbing mortar rounds at the Marine compound because they were superstitious and believed that the Marines' guns were haunted because they could shoot back before their mortar rounds exploded.
Thank you for that summary by the way, Ulysses90. I had no idea counter battery artillery could be this fast, this accurate. Is it possible to actually completely automate this?
What would be your recommendations for the Ukes operating in a wide open field, where they enemy has air power, drones, and much longer artillery range? If the CBR communicates the coordinates, drones can counter attack as well right?
Counterfire can be this fast but western armies have spent the time and money to mostly automate the process. The Ukrainian army doesn't have that degree of automation but even a manual couterfire loop can be very fast with practice. It just has to happen within the never ending cycle of shoot-move-communicate.
The CBR radar feeds (what used to be called) the Target Production Cell (TPC) that generates targets for the Fire Support Coordination Center that passes missions to firing batteries. In an automated system a designated counterfire unit can get the target location sent straight to the battery FDC and the fire solution can be computed by the AFATDS and sent to the guns so it can take well under a minute. There is always a human in the loop that reviews and approves the fire mission because it might be located in a no-fire area (NFA) where friendlies or civilians are located or a church or so other infrastructure. The Russians like putting artillery next to civilian infrastructure.
The ability to have your radars on all the time is a luxury that the Ukrainians don't have because they are fighting an enemy that can sent missiles to home in on radars. They have to displace their radars frequently to keep them from being hit.
I really like the potential of passive localization sendors like the AMMS from Microflown because it can be employed far forward of the couterfire battery with the infantry. The AMMS could triangulate the location of Russian artillery up to six KM away and send that grid by voice or digitally back to the battery without radiating and giving up their own location. A low power burst radio transmission is a lot less likely to be detected than a CBR antenna that pushes a lot of power.
Finding Russian artillery as soon as they fire and quickly fixing them in ace and destroying it is really important.
Tragic, shocking, unnecessary and infuriating.CondensedFoggyAggie said:
Fresh graves in Irpin, around 1200~1500.
Remember, this is but one of many mass grave locations around the entire country.
What makes you so sure? Heck, even in World War One, thousands and thousands of shells were used per day.GAC06 said:
Three batteries aren't firing 40,000 rds anytime soon. I wonder if we're supplying ammo for former Soviet systems as well
18 guns at a max rate of fire for a proficient crew of four rounds per minute aren't going to fire 40,000 rds anytime soon, especially with opposition
All of those guns, firing at the sustained rate of fire, 24/7, with no losses or logistical issues would last 36 days.
All of those guns, firing at the sustained rate of fire, 24/7, with no losses or logistical issues would last 36 days.
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