The NATO Strike Group lead by the U.S Navy’s Harry S. Truman Aircraft Carrier are now Operating in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea just South of Greece and Turkey. https://t.co/0ClTdeMhUB

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) April 16, 2022

Russia in real scrape the barrel - on the footage we can see 9K55 Grad-1 MRLS on ZiL-131. This systems decommissioned decades ago.
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— 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔇𝔢𝔞𝔡 𝔇𝔦𝔰𝔱𝔯𝔦𝔠𝔱 (@TheDeadDistrict) April 15, 2022

aggiehawg said:

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Blackbeard94 said:

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Rossticus said:

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Russia demanding things makes me laugh.

Russia's Foreign Ministry has confirmed it sent diplomatic notes to the United States and other partners demanding a halt to their arms supplies to Ukraine.https://t.co/wZPr2xbJwq

— The New Voice of Ukraine (@NewVoiceUkraine) April 16, 2022

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Return the note with a simple line at the bottom...."Go **** Yourself"

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"Lend-Lease, MOFOs. You never paid us back from WWII. So we are repossessing your equipment, one piece at a time. Pray we don't alter the agreement further."

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President Volodymyr Zelensky acknowledged on Saturday that the Ukrainian forces still defending Mariupol control only a small part of the port city, and face a better-equipped force that is six times larger than their own.
NYTimes

— Iuliia Mendel (@IuliiaMendel) April 16, 2022

PJYoung said:

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Russia losing its ability to replace some of its most frontline T-72 variants is going to hurt. Per @oryxspioenkop Russia has lost-

77 T-72B3
86 T72B3 OBR. 2016
17 T-90A https://t.co/reDwJkVl8g

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 16, 2022

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PJYoung said:

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Russia losing its ability to replace some of its most frontline T-72 variants is going to hurt. Per @oryxspioenkop Russia has lost-

77 T-72B3
86 T72B3 OBR. 2016
17 T-90A https://t.co/reDwJkVl8g

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 16, 2022

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deddog said:

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PJYoung said:

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Russia losing its ability to replace some of its most frontline T-72 variants is going to hurt. Per @oryxspioenkop Russia has lost-

77 T-72B3
86 T72B3 OBR. 2016
17 T-90A https://t.co/reDwJkVl8g

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 16, 2022

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They should be easily able to cannibalize parts from other tanks, at least for the T-72s.

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deddog said:

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PJYoung said:

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Russia losing its ability to replace some of its most frontline T-72 variants is going to hurt. Per @oryxspioenkop Russia has lost-

77 T-72B3
86 T72B3 OBR. 2016
17 T-90A https://t.co/reDwJkVl8g

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 16, 2022

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They should be easily able to cannibalize parts from other tanks, at least for the T-72s.

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aggiehawg said:

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What are snus?

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Sea Speed said:

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What is the Shrek stuff a couple of pages ago about?

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wangus12 said:

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Probably going to see a ton of aggression for Russia this week. Ukes need to hold the line this week and withstand the onslaught and Russia probably runs out of steam again.

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Ulysses90 said:

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The CBR generates a 10 digit grid to the point of origin and a presumptive weapon identification based on the velocity and trajectory. It can distinguish a 122mm rocket from a 122mm howitzer shell or a 82mm mortar based on those factors but it would probably not be able to distinguish a 122mm howitzer shell from a 152mm howitzer shell unless the 152mm trajectory as longer than the range of a 122mm.

I don't believe any of the Ukrainian artillery has a digital fire control systembut that shouldn't cause a significant time lag. Howitzers assigned a mission of counterbattery fire are usually manned with a crew that has a projectile fuzed with a VT (varaiable time) proximity fuze for an air burst 7m above the ground ready to ram into the breech. When they get the fire command from the battery Fire Direction Center the gun crew traverses and elevates the tube onto the taret, set the fuze time, rams the projo and puts the propellant charge behind it, locks the breech, and hooks up and pulls the lanyard. All of that should take less than 30 seconds from the time that deflection and quadrant are sent by the FDC even in a fully manual artillery battery.

As a historical example, back in 1983 during the Marine Corps presence in Beirut at the airport compound they were getting sporadic mortar fire from Druze militia that would set up 82mm mortars on street corners and quicky lob a half dozen mortar projectIles before picking up the mortar and displacing.

The Marines fixed that issue by setting a 105mm gun section with pre-fuzed proJos that only had to have the charges cut and they had the CBR turned on all the time. The Druze didn't have their own radar so there was no danger in having the CBR turned on around the clock.

The CBR was able to detect the 82mm mortar rounds on their ascending arc and send the location to the FDC in seconds. The gun crew on the 105mm howitzer could fire two rounds at low angle that hit the mortar position before the high-angle mortar rounds even hit the ground. The Druze stopped lobbing mortar rounds at the Marine compound because they were superstitious and believed that the Marines' guns were haunted because they could shoot back before their mortar rounds exploded.

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GAC06 said:

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Mortars go high and slow. Artillery can go high or low trajectory and fast.

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US authorities are concerned that ammunition of the Ukrainian army is rapidly depleting, especially artillery shells, and therefore they are accelerating supply of arms aid, unnamed official tells CNNhttps://t.co/cHYufHYAlX

— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) April 16, 2022

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While the United States is shipping 18 155mm towed howitzers and 40,000 artillery rounds to Ukraine this week, even that amount could be expended within several days, raising the prospect of Ukraine forces running out of ammunition, the official said.

During some of the heavy earlier fighting, Ukrainian forces fired up to thousands of artillery rounds in a given day, the official noted.

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley are conducting daily phone calls with counterparts in the region to encourage them to ship more weapons and supplies to Ukraine as soon as possible.

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#Ukrainian artillery is sending some gifts to the #Russians.

Glory to #Ukraine! 🇺🇦✊🏻 pic.twitter.com/oYVICvKDar

— Canadian Ukrainian Volunteer 🇺🇦🇨🇦✊🏻 (@CanadianUkrain1) April 15, 2022

GAC06 said:

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We had IDF radar at Camp Bastion. It usually sounded the alarm right after the explosions.

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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The CBR generates a 10 digit grid to the point of origin and a presumptive weapon identification based on the velocity and trajectory. It can distinguish a 122mm rocket from a 122mm howitzer shell or a 82mm mortar based on those factors but it would probably not be able to distinguish a 122mm howitzer shell from a 152mm howitzer shell unless the 152mm trajectory as longer than the range of a 122mm.

I don't believe any of the Ukrainian artillery has a digital fire control systembut that shouldn't cause a significant time lag. Howitzers assigned a mission of counterbattery fire are usually manned with a crew that has a projectile fuzed with a VT (varaiable time) proximity fuze for an air burst 7m above the ground ready to ram into the breech. When they get the fire command from the battery Fire Direction Center the gun crew traverses and elevates the tube onto the taret, set the fuze time, rams the projo and puts the propellant charge behind it, locks the breech, and hooks up and pulls the lanyard. All of that should take less than 30 seconds from the time that deflection and quadrant are sent by the FDC even in a fully manual artillery battery.

As a historical example, back in 1983 during the Marine Corps presence in Beirut at the airport compound they were getting sporadic mortar fire from Druze militia that would set up 82mm mortars on street corners and quicky lob a half dozen mortar projectIles before picking up the mortar and displacing.

The Marines fixed that issue by setting a 105mm gun section with pre-fuzed proJos that only had to have the charges cut and they had the CBR turned on all the time. The Druze didn't have their own radar so there was no danger in having the CBR turned on around the clock.

The CBR was able to detect the 82mm mortar rounds on their ascending arc and send the location to the FDC in seconds. The gun crew on the 105mm howitzer could fire two rounds at low angle that hit the mortar position before the high-angle mortar rounds even hit the ground. The Druze stopped lobbing mortar rounds at the Marine compound because they were superstitious and believed that the Marines' guns were haunted because they could shoot back before their mortar rounds exploded.

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What the ****.

Thank you for that summary by the way, Ulysses90. I had no idea counter battery artillery could be this fast, this accurate. Is it possible to actually completely automate this?

What would be your recommendations for the Ukes operating in a wide open field, where they enemy has air power, drones, and much longer artillery range? If the CBR communicates the coordinates, drones can counter attack as well right?

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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US authorities are concerned that ammunition of the Ukrainian army is rapidly depleting, especially artillery shells, and therefore they are accelerating supply of arms aid, unnamed official tells CNNhttps://t.co/cHYufHYAlX

— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) April 16, 2022

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While the United States is shipping 18 155mm towed howitzers and 40,000 artillery rounds to Ukraine this week, even that amount could be expended within several days, raising the prospect of Ukraine forces running out of ammunition, the official said.

During some of the heavy earlier fighting, Ukrainian forces fired up to thousands of artillery rounds in a given day, the official noted.

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley are conducting daily phone calls with counterparts in the region to encourage them to ship more weapons and supplies to Ukraine as soon as possible.

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While I'm disappointed that ammo boxes aren't quite raining down on the Ukes, it warms my heart to know they're giving the Ruskies hell.

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Ulysses90 said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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The CBR generates a 10 digit grid to the point of origin and a presumptive weapon identification based on the velocity and trajectory. It can distinguish a 122mm rocket from a 122mm howitzer shell or a 82mm mortar based on those factors but it would probably not be able to distinguish a 122mm howitzer shell from a 152mm howitzer shell unless the 152mm trajectory as longer than the range of a 122mm.

I don't believe any of the Ukrainian artillery has a digital fire control systembut that shouldn't cause a significant time lag. Howitzers assigned a mission of counterbattery fire are usually manned with a crew that has a projectile fuzed with a VT (varaiable time) proximity fuze for an air burst 7m above the ground ready to ram into the breech. When they get the fire command from the battery Fire Direction Center the gun crew traverses and elevates the tube onto the taret, set the fuze time, rams the projo and puts the propellant charge behind it, locks the breech, and hooks up and pulls the lanyard. All of that should take less than 30 seconds from the time that deflection and quadrant are sent by the FDC even in a fully manual artillery battery.

As a historical example, back in 1983 during the Marine Corps presence in Beirut at the airport compound they were getting sporadic mortar fire from Druze militia that would set up 82mm mortars on street corners and quicky lob a half dozen mortar projectIles before picking up the mortar and displacing.

The Marines fixed that issue by setting a 105mm gun section with pre-fuzed proJos that only had to have the charges cut and they had the CBR turned on all the time. The Druze didn't have their own radar so there was no danger in having the CBR turned on around the clock.

The CBR was able to detect the 82mm mortar rounds on their ascending arc and send the location to the FDC in seconds. The gun crew on the 105mm howitzer could fire two rounds at low angle that hit the mortar position before the high-angle mortar rounds even hit the ground. The Druze stopped lobbing mortar rounds at the Marine compound because they were superstitious and believed that the Marines' guns were haunted because they could shoot back before their mortar rounds exploded.

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What the ****.

Thank you for that summary by the way, Ulysses90. I had no idea counter battery artillery could be this fast, this accurate. Is it possible to actually completely automate this?

What would be your recommendations for the Ukes operating in a wide open field, where they enemy has air power, drones, and much longer artillery range? If the CBR communicates the coordinates, drones can counter attack as well right?

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Counterfire can be this fast but western armies have spent the time and money to mostly automate the process. The Ukrainian army doesn't have that degree of automation but even a manual couterfire loop can be very fast with practice. It just has to happen within the never ending cycle of shoot-move-communicate.

The CBR radar feeds (what used to be called) the Target Production Cell (TPC) that generates targets for the Fire Support Coordination Center that passes missions to firing batteries. In an automated system a designated counterfire unit can get the target location sent straight to the battery FDC and the fire solution can be computed by the AFATDS and sent to the guns so it can take well under a minute. There is always a human in the loop that reviews and approves the fire mission because it might be located in a no-fire area (NFA) where friendlies or civilians are located or a church or so other infrastructure. The Russians like putting artillery next to civilian infrastructure.

The ability to have your radars on all the time is a luxury that the Ukrainians don't have because they are fighting an enemy that can sent missiles to home in on radars. They have to displace their radars frequently to keep them from being hit.

I really like the potential of passive localization sendors like the AMMS from Microflown because it can be employed far forward of the couterfire battery with the infantry. The AMMS could triangulate the location of Russian artillery up to six KM away and send that grid by voice or digitally back to the battery without radiating and giving up their own location. A low power burst radio transmission is a lot less likely to be detected than a CBR antenna that pushes a lot of power.

Finding Russian artillery as soon as they fire and quickly fixing them in ace and destroying it is really important.

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Fresh graves in Irpin, around 1200~1500.

Remember, this is but one of many mass grave locations around the entire country.

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GAC06 said:

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Three batteries aren't firing 40,000 rds anytime soon. I wonder if we're supplying ammo for former Soviet systems as well

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