Not a fan of unions in general but they do have a place in dangerous occupations wherein death or severe injury is a work place reality. Apprenticeships do work to deliver that level of training.BusterAg said:I hate unions for almost any job.aggiehawg said:That's why there are unions for those jobs. The union does the training before they are allowed unsupervised on a set. Not hiring a union member for this movie may be the critical factor in a wrongful death suit.Quote:
If you are going to use real guns, get a person that knows how to handle guns on the set, and train the actors how to respect guns. This accident was 100% avoidable, and would have been with proper training.
Baldwin may be getting a financial haircut, as producer.
But, for some, a union might not be a bad thing. Besides this one, airplane mechanics are another one that comes to mind.
Alec Baldwin may be in some hot water
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As the guy with the gun and a producer he is definitely on the hot seat. You could claim as an actor it wasn't your fault. But if you had a say in who was handling your prop guns (and not the usual union guys that do it) then that is a whole other world of liability he has to face up to.aggiehawg said:That's why there are unions for those jobs. The union does the training before they are allowed unsupervised on a set. Not hiring a union member for this movie may be the critical factor in a wrongful death suit.Quote:
If you are going to use real guns, get a person that knows how to handle guns on the set, and train the actors how to respect guns. This accident was 100% avoidable, and would have been with proper training.
Baldwin may be getting a financial haircut, as producer.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
And insurance policies will not cover that either. They require all union rules be followed on set.javajaws said:As the guy with the gun and a producer he is definitely on the hot seat. You could claim as an actor it wasn't your fault. But if you had a say in who was handling your prop guns (and not the usual union guys that do it) then that is a whole other world of liability he has to face up to.aggiehawg said:That's why there are unions for those jobs. The union does the training before they are allowed unsupervised on a set. Not hiring a union member for this movie may be the critical factor in a wrongful death suit.Quote:
If you are going to use real guns, get a person that knows how to handle guns on the set, and train the actors how to respect guns. This accident was 100% avoidable, and would have been with proper training.
Baldwin may be getting a financial haircut, as producer.
Keeps getting worse.
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Anthony Pawluc, secretary-treasurer of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees Local 44, wrote that the bullet struck "both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halnya Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza," the site reported.
"Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members. There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet," the email cited by Indie Wire added.
There's this thing about movie productions and insurance. The insurance company makes the rules or the production doesn't happen.
By using scab labor and not even having an union member on the call sheet for the set on that day, they won't be likely to insure any Baldwin productions going forward. Or if they do, it will be quite restrictive.
By using scab labor and not even having an union member on the call sheet for the set on that day, they won't be likely to insure any Baldwin productions going forward. Or if they do, it will be quite restrictive.
So, better shot than Dick Cheney?
When do the "No justice, no peace!" marches start?
Cheney peppered a guy's face with birdshot (still not cool) with a shotgun.Baron Von Flag Smasher said:
So, better shot than Dick Cheney?
Baldwin pointed, cocked and fired a loaded gun at the Direct of Photography and killed her.
And then either the bullet passed thru and hit the director or he COCKED, AIMED and FIRED again at the Director.
Pesky live rounds finding their way into guns
People don't kill people, guns don't kill people, pesky live rounds kill people.
Ban all live rounds!!!!
(This is how evo morales started socialism in Bolivia, he ignored guns and made it impossible to get ammo)
People don't kill people, guns don't kill people, pesky live rounds kill people.
Ban all live rounds!!!!
(This is how evo morales started socialism in Bolivia, he ignored guns and made it impossible to get ammo)
Natural antibodies are best antibodies!
From the latest coming out that appears to be the case, so most likely .45 Long Colt. Why they would have live ammo on a movie set is a very good question. I can see having blanks for shooting scenes and cartridges with case and bullet for close up and loading scenes, but why do those cartridges contain powder and live primer? Maybe they are not supposed to be onset and this was a gross violation.agdaddy04 said:akm91 said:
Why would there be live ammo on a movie set to begin with?
Do we know for certain it was a live round?
Baldwins initial statement from spokesman:
It wasn't an "accident" the gun was fired on purpose.
It wasn't a "misfire", the gun fired as intended.
It wasn't a "prop", it was a real functioning gun
It wasn't "blanks", it was a bullet.
It takes skill to put out that much misinfo in such few words.
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"accident on the set involving the misfire of a prop gun with blanks.
It wasn't an "accident" the gun was fired on purpose.
It wasn't a "misfire", the gun fired as intended.
It wasn't a "prop", it was a real functioning gun
It wasn't "blanks", it was a bullet.
It takes skill to put out that much misinfo in such few words.
"Well, nobody likes a dentist anyway."05AG said:milner79 said:05AG said:
If I learned anything from Lonesome Dove it is that killing someone by accident isn't a big deal. They won't hang you for it.
You know the rules, Jake: You ride with an outlaw, you die with an outlaw.
They didn't think it too serious though when he shot a dentist unintentionally.
CNN with the ever-present passive voice when sharing bad news about a liberal or favored group: "A woman was killed ... when a gun was discharged."
aggiehawg said:
There's this thing about movie productions and insurance. The insurance company makes the rules or the production doesn't happen.
By using scab labor and not even having an union member on the call sheet for the set on that day, they won't be likely to insure any Baldwin productions going forward. Or if they do, it will be quite restrictive.
At least she didn't kill anyone with a gun57 STATES! said:Clob94 said:Hillary Clinton, Dick Cheney, and Alec Baldwin go hunting.... How does that play out?
— Wendy Rogers (@WendyRogersAZ) October 22, 2021
Coming in hot......
Wendy seems like a nice human being.
So I guess he wont be doing his hack Trump impersonation on Saturday Night Live tomorrow
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"Privileged angry white man shoots immigrant woman artist"
What a stupid tard.
Lib solution...don't allow any more movies that show or include a gun.
Lib solution...don't allow any more movies that show or include a gun.
Hope that our local posters that have been riddled with TDS for years are taken note.
This is what happens if you don't let the **** go, you riddle some poor girl with bullets.
This is what happens if you don't let the **** go, you riddle some poor girl with bullets.
Ignore the troll. A liberal shot someone and he cares about what he sees as a mean tweet. Sound familiar?
It could have been a blank. There was a guy on a set a few years ago who died from a blank because the barrel was pressing against his head. The pressure did sufficient concussive damage. It's also possible something got lodged in the barrel (maybe dirt and rocks?) so it wound up being more like a shotgun. How he hit more than one person in either scenario is dubious unless he discharged multiple times before realizing it was injuring people.thirdcoast said:
Baldwins initial statement from spokesman:Quote:
"accident on the set involving the misfire of a prop gun with blanks.
It wasn't an "accident" the gun was fired on purpose.
It wasn't a "misfire", the gun fired as intended.
It wasn't a "prop", it was a real functioning gun
It wasn't "blanks", it was a bullet.
It takes skill to put out that much misinfo in such few words.
I'm almost 100% sure that this incident will also be counted in some liberal's gun violence statistics in the future.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
Earlier i said AD... well in actuality there is no such thing as an AD. It is at best an ND (negligent discharge). Baldwin was NEGLIGENT in he failed to verify the status of the weapon he was 'handed'. IF the fool did not know how then he had no business handling the weapon..periodQuote:
I don't fault Alec, I fault Hollywood.
sicandtiredTXN said:His brothers are Danny, Stephen, and Billy. Stephen is the conservative of the bunch.PearlJammin said:TChaney said:If you’re pointing a weapon at anyone on set without permission from the armorer, director & 1st AD, then you should be reprimanded for the first offense, fired for the second.
— Adam Baldwin (@AdamBaldwin) October 22, 2021
If you do so and harm/kill someone, you should be be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
(Note - same last name - not related)
Doesn't he have a brother named Adam? He's very conservative from what I remember.
Stephen is conservative and a Christian
Billy is marries to born again China Phillips who's got a ministry. Billy isn't a believer but supports her and is starting to get closer to God.
Daniel I am not sure
Maybe Stephens prayers for his brothers will bRing him closer after going through this experience
Because he's going to be shamed by hollywood
this is terrible.Rex Racer said:From what I have read, it was an actual bullet. During one scene, they filmed from the front of the revolver, and they wanted to actually see the bullets in the cylinders. So a prop guy took out the bullets, removed the gunpowder, but left the primer, and re-inserted the bullets in the cartridges. During that scene, the trigger was pulled, the primer went off, and a bullet ended up stuck inside the barrel of the revolver. The revolver was loaded with blanks the next day, and when the blank went off, it was enough to dislodge the bullet from the barrel, and it hit Brandon and killed him. It was a real freak thing.Stupid@17 said:
If anyone is guilty of malfeasance it would be the party responsible for thr props and prop ammo.
It is common on sets for directors and dp's to go over scenes with star actors to get the most out of them.
This is tragic, shouldn't happen and will cause a stir. Similar to Brandon Lee's death during The Crow filming, where trash in the end of a prop gun caused his death during a scene.
Anyone that knows anything about firearms should know about the primer. Their "gun guy" is a moron. if you need a bullets in the gun for a scene, insert bullets into an already spent round, or buy some new casings without primers in them. after the original mishap, it should have been evident that the bullet was "gone" and the barrel should have been checked immediately.
So it boils down to where they wanted a shot like this:
and totally fubar'd it.
Daddy said:sicandtiredTXN said:His brothers are Danny, Stephen, and Billy. Stephen is the conservative of the bunch.PearlJammin said:TChaney said:If you’re pointing a weapon at anyone on set without permission from the armorer, director & 1st AD, then you should be reprimanded for the first offense, fired for the second.
— Adam Baldwin (@AdamBaldwin) October 22, 2021
If you do so and harm/kill someone, you should be be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
(Note - same last name - not related)
Doesn't he have a brother named Adam? He's very conservative from what I remember.
Stephen is conservative and a Christian
Billy is marries to born again China Phillips who's got a ministry. Billy isn't a believer but supports her and is starting to get closer to God.
Daniel I am not sure
Maybe Stephens prayers for his brothers will bRing him closer after going through this experience
Because he's going to be shamed by hollywood
He is also the Father-in-law of Justin Bieber
If guns are so evil, then why are movies being made with guns in them at all?
Why aren't guns banned from ALL movies like hollywood has done with cigarettes' and conservative actors?
Why aren't guns banned from ALL movies like hollywood has done with cigarettes' and conservative actors?
sleepybeagle said:
If guns are so evil, then why are movies being made with guns in them at all?
Why aren't guns banned from ALL movies like hollywood has done with cigarettes' and conservative actors?
Spielberg went back to change to guns for Walkie Talkies
This just keeps getting worse and worse. Low budget film. Lots of problems on set. Camera crew walked off of the set six hours before the shooting happened. Same prop gun had malfunctioned before. Ayy, ayy ,ayy.
LA Times
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In fact, the bombshell here if true is that there were problems with props on the set before the fatal shooting yesterday.
Per the Times, the crew was upset about long hours, low pay, and the fact that they were being asked to commute to Santa Fe from Albuquerque, a 50-mile drive, instead of being allowed to stay at hotels in town. This was a low-budget production and producers evidently didn't want to foot that bill. Eventually it reached the point where they walked just hours before cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed.Quote:
As the camera crew members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, the knowledgeable person said…
"Corners were being cut and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue to shooting," the knowledgeable person said.
There were two misfires on the prop gun and one the previous week, the person said, adding "there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set."…
The shooting occurred about six hours after the union camera crew left.
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There's more news in the LAT piece: "A source close to The Times said the union does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that 'live' is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming." If that's true then the gun might not have had a real bullet in the chamber, a scenario that would have been all but inexplicable apart from intentional sabotage. Maybe there was something else lodged in the barrel a spent blank round (or shrapnel from a spent blank round) that wasn't properly cleared, perhaps, which later fired from the barrel when a second blank was fired. This AP story also points away from a real bullet having been used, citing a spokesperson for Baldwin as saying that "a prop gun with blanks misfired."
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They hired a cut-rate prop guy who was possibly overworked and fatigued and he wasn't on the ball in checking to make sure that nothing was lodged in the prop gun's barrel between takes. That would also jibe with there having been previous misfires with the gun, per the LAT story. Although that raises a related question, namely, was the gun itself malfunctioning? Did production decide to stick with a bum weapon because they didn't want to incur the expense of buying a new one for a film whose budget was tight?
LA Times
Hmm, is it possible a disgruntled union member swapped in live rounds before leaving?
It's only a matter of time before we get a name and that person claims an unknown person probably handled the gun after safety guy and prior to Baldwin firing.
***We now know there was a live round fired, NOT a blank. So no need to speculate on how a blank kills and wounds another.***
It's only a matter of time before we get a name and that person claims an unknown person probably handled the gun after safety guy and prior to Baldwin firing.
***We now know there was a live round fired, NOT a blank. So no need to speculate on how a blank kills and wounds another.***
It wasn't a prop gun. That's a deflection. It was an actual gun firing blanks and real bullets, prop guns are fakes and cannot fire anything.
This is the media trying to divert attention away from the ****show that this movie's production was.
This is the media trying to divert attention away from the ****show that this movie's production was.
Seriously doubt it would have been done on purpose from the people who were complaining about safety on the set. Not with the two instances of earlier malfunction in the same gun.thirdcoast said:
Hmm, is it possible a disgruntled union member swapped in live rounds before leaving?
It's only a matter of time before we get a name and that person claims an unknown person probably handled the gun after safety guy and prior to Baldwin firing.
***We now know there was a live round fired, NOT a blank. So no need to speculate on how a blank kills and wounds another.***
We'll have wait on the autopsy and ballistics test.
But Baldwin's career as a producer is likely over and I doubt this film ever sees the light of day, not even straight to video, at least not in the U.S.
"Prop gun" may be being used simply as a catch all term for any gun used on the set, functional or not.
Might not be the correct term, but that may be what is actually meant.
Might not be the correct term, but that may be what is actually meant.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
I knew he'd had some tirades and had to Google. He's got quite a temper.
https://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1138870/alec-baldwin-hollywood-timeline/
https://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1138870/alec-baldwin-hollywood-timeline/
javajaws said:
I'm almost 100% sure that this incident will also be counted in some liberal's gun violence statistics in the future.
That is the next meme that needs to happen. Add his mug to the annual poster of mass shooters.
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