Your second sentence is a lie and didn't happen.
Ags4DaWin said:
read my post above.
he did not know it was the cops who knocked.
back down. you are so wrong its not even funny. admit ur wrong and walk away.
96ags said:
Your second sentence is a lie and didn't happen.
SirLurksALot said:96ags said:
Your second sentence is a lie and didn't happen.
He clearly walks out of the door towards the cops and shouts "what".
96ags said:SirLurksALot said:96ags said:
Your second sentence is a lie and didn't happen.
He clearly walks out of the door towards the cops and shouts "what".
Yet was shot in the back on his knees. So "walking" out a door is not grounds for execution.
Vader Was Framed said:...Quote:
Police responded to an apartment complex on Desert Foothills Drive in Ahwatukhee around 11 p.m. on May 21. The department had received two phone calls earlier that night about an argument between a woman and a man, later identified as Whitaker, at a nearby residence.
"I can tell that they're just at each other's throats down there," the caller said.
When a second call came through alleging the dispute had turned physical, Thompson said Phoenix police upgraded the call to an emergency response. In the audio from the call, however, the 911 caller sounded unsure if the fight had escalated into violence.
"It could be physical," the caller said. "I could say yeah, does that make anybody hurry up or get over here any faster?" The caller said they heard doors slamming and "all kinds of banging."
Police knocked on the apartment door and yelled "Phoenix police!" one time, according to body-camera videos from two officers who responded that night. The two officers stood on either side of the doorway.
According to the videos, Whitaker opened the door, shirtless, with a gun in his hand and a flashlight shining in his face. He stepped out of the apartment toward one officer.
Police shot him in a matter of seconds, according to the video.
One officer yelled, "Whoa" on seeing Whitaker's gun, and followed by yelling, "Hands! Hands! Hands!"
Whitaker quickly put his gun behind his back, then backed into the doorway and lowered to the ground, raising his left hand. His other hand was not pictured on camera. The officer standing behind Whitaker fired three shots and struck Whitaker in the back.
Whitaker fell forward onto the ground with his arms outstretched. Both his hands appeared to be empty in the video, and he later died.
Thompson said the police officer believed his colleague was in imminent danger when he fired his gun. Whitaker's weapon was recovered in the doorway of the apartment and had not been fired.
The officer who shot Whitaker had three years of experience in the Phoenix Police Department, Thompson said. The incident is the subject of an internal and criminal investigation, both of which will be reviewed by the Maricopa County Attorney's Office.
After the shooting, family members of Whitaker said he would not have answered the door with a gun if he knew police were knocking.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix-breaking/2020/07/15/phoenix-police-shot-ryan-whitaker-back-body-camera-videos-show/5445779002/
He was already backing up and bending down when the shots rang out. Peace officers have a tough job and put their lives on the line everyday. As I understand, domestic violence calls are among the worst to respond to, so that must be going trough their minds. But here, in this case, the guy was not walking towards them when the shots rang out. It may be eventually ruled a clean shoot, but it he looks to me the officer was a little late on his reactions, and it cost an innocent man his life.SirLurksALot said:96ags said:
I've been around a ton of cops when I had a gun in my hand and I have never been shot.
I don't hang out with nutjobs though, so that could be a difference.
Were those cops responding to a domestic violence call?
Did you walk towards them while shouting with the gun in your hand.
I'd bet your circumstances were a lot different.
Not so sure about that. And it depends on what the potential charges are. This incident warrants watching further developments, in my view but at the moment seems to be a bad shoot to me.Quote:
Never said it was. My main argument on this thread is that based on the totality of the circumstances it's going to be hard for the state to prove the actions of the cops weren't objectively reasonable.
96ags said:
And I'd contend you'll have a hard time maintaining the idea that shooting a person in the back on their knees is somehow reasonable.
Toptierag2018 said:
I'd rather 50 guilty people walk free than 1 innocent person die. Cops should have no more protections than a citizen.
combat wombat said:
So the guy upstairs called 911 TWICE for a noise complaint? He didn't bother going down and asking his neighbor to keep it down? Now his neighbor is dead.
At the absolute very least he should be fired and not be able to find work in law enforcement again but he will probably not even lose his job.MaxPower said:
I don't think the officer should be charged but I do think there should be civil action, either against the officer or that police department.
Romello said:
Sux to die like that but something about being an inconsiderate arsehole and Karma.
Agree completely.Jimmy McNulty said:
Why in the world would they shoot him in this scenario?...if he's going to the ground with hand in the air?
TXK said:It's literally in the media. That's how you know about it. If you're angry about it, do something. Say something.OldArmyBrent said:
If you want a poster child for better training, this is it, not a guy who died of a fentanyl overdose. Why is this horrible shoot not even brought up in the media? Absolute horse*****
Spotted Ag said:**** that neighbor. That guy can DIAF. He is as responsible for that guys death as the dumbass cop that shot him.combat wombat said:
So the guy upstairs called 911 TWICE for a noise complaint? He didn't bother going down and asking his neighbor to keep it down? Now his neighbor is dead.
SirLurksALot said:96ags said:SirLurksALot said:96ags said:
Your second sentence is a lie and didn't happen.
He clearly walks out of the door towards the cops and shouts "what".
Yet was shot in the back on his knees. So "walking" out a door is not grounds for execution.
Never said it was. My main argument on this thread is that based on the totality of the circumstances it's going to be hard for the state to prove the actions of the cops weren't objectively reasonable.
agsalaska said:SirLurksALot said:96ags said:SirLurksALot said:96ags said:
Your second sentence is a lie and didn't happen.
He clearly walks out of the door towards the cops and shouts "what".
Yet was shot in the back on his knees. So "walking" out a door is not grounds for execution.
Never said it was. My main argument on this thread is that based on the totality of the circumstances it's going to be hard for the state to prove the actions of the cops weren't objectively reasonable.
So knocking on a door at 11pm, stating the word Police one time, hiding so the person cannot ID you themselves, blinding him with a flashlight, and shooting him in the back while he is in his knees is reasonable?
agsalaska said:
I don't live in the city, but I don't think I would answer the door at 11pm anyway especiallyif my wife and kids were all home. Cop or not. **** off. You can come back at 8am when I open. I dont really care what you need. If you want to talk to me about something my number is public and you are welcome to call me.
SirLurksALot said:agsalaska said:
I don't live in the city, but I don't think I would answer the door at 11pm anyway especiallyif my wife and kids were all home. Cop or not. **** off. You can come back at 8am when I open. I dont really care what you need. If you want to talk to me about something my number is public and you are welcome to call me.
For domestic violence calls this is not an option. The cops won't leave until it is determined that no one has been injured.
agsalaska said:SirLurksALot said:agsalaska said:
I don't live in the city, but I don't think I would answer the door at 11pm anyway especiallyif my wife and kids were all home. Cop or not. **** off. You can come back at 8am when I open. I dont really care what you need. If you want to talk to me about something my number is public and you are welcome to call me.
For domestic violence calls this is not an option. The cops won't leave until it is determined that no one has been injured.
Great. Then they can call me and talk about it. They have my number. Or they can sit there until 8am.
It's up to them.
Are you kidding?!agsalaska said:
Ok. And il save quoting it, but do you see how unreasonable all of that is when you put it together in real life and how the actions of the police all put together create an unwinnable situation for a guy that did nothing wrong?
agsalaska said:
Ok. And il save quoting it, but do you see how unreasonable all of that is when you put it together in real life and how the actions of the police all put together create an unwinnable situation for a guy that did nothing wrong?
SirLurksALot said:agsalaska said:
Ok. And il save quoting it, but do you see how unreasonable all of that is when you put it together in real life and how the actions of the police all put together create an unwinnable situation for a guy that did nothing wrong?
Nothing wrong? The way the guy answered the door was absolutely wrong. It stupid to answer the door like that if you don't know who is outside. Even you suspect bad actors are outside it's still dumb to put yourself at a disadvantage like that.
He didn't ask who was there. He didn't ask for identification. He created the problem with his actions. The cops actions up to that point were absolutely normal.
From the perspective of the officer that shot I don't believe his actions were unreasonable.