SirLurksALot said:
hurricanejake02 said:
Artorias said:
They said "Phoenix police" once, outside through a closed door. There is no guarantee he heard them say that.
...from outside, through a closed door, in response to a noise complaint. No justification for believing that announcement was heard by anyone inside.
Then hide so you can't be identified before the door is opened.
Then blind the man answering the door with a flashlight, delaying his ability to identify you as police.
Then fail to repeat the announcement that you are police. Their commands are "Whoah, hands, put your hands..." BOOM. They didn't even issue a command that could have been followed before the shots are fired.
Again it wasn't a noise complaint. It was a domestic disturbance and the complaints thought violence was involved.
The complaint wasn't from someone involved in the complaint.
If it was the GF that had called, that is a different scenario than if a neighbor calls because he hears some yelling.
In one scenario you have a potential victim calling. In the other you have someone who may or may not be trustworthy relaying something they think they heard.
With the fact that people are getting SWATTED nowadays the police should be more cautious than ever when taking those kinds of calls.
also, I have personal experience as a kid witnessing police response to domestic disturbance calls. my dad was a violent guy at home.
Sometimes a neighbor called. sometimes my mom. They NEVER answered the door like that. Not once.