I can listen to almost any band/music out there, but I skip every REM song and I always will.

It's so funny that it's pretty much a lock that for every band someone despises, there is at least one Texager that wants to fight about it.

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Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Just, nope.

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Frusciante in particular is one of those guys for me. I wouldn't say he's bad or anything, but there are people who treat him as a guitar god. I just don't get it. I'm willing to be corrected her though if somebody can point me in the right direction.

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Am I the only one who was confused by the OP? I was probably more surprised that Boston was resonant enough to have a 'hot take' on than I was that somebody doesn't like Boston.

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so what you're saying is....

It's been such a long time. It's been such a looooooooonggg tiiiiiiime (since Boston has been relevant)?

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Hahaha very close to this only thing is I'd argue only the guy who named Kansas in this thread has named something they hate with potentially less relevance at ANY time than Boston.

Can we go back to a time when bands would form and just name themselves after where they are from?

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abileneag09 said:

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Springsteen
Prince

I don't understand why either of them are popular. Especially Prince.

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Because when he wasn't being a musical genius, he was casually the most freakishly talented guitar player of his generation.

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Easily most overrated guitar solo of all time. I like Prince. Prince is an amazing songwriter, a great musician, and a very good guitar player. This solo is just not that great.

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Ok

Professor Frick said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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abileneag09 said:

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Springsteen
Prince

I don't understand why either of them are popular. Especially Prince.

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Because when he wasn't being a musical genius, he was casually the most freakishly talented guitar player of his generation.

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Easily most overrated guitar solo of all time. I like Prince. Prince is an amazing songwriter, a great musician, and a very good guitar player. This solo is just not that great.

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Can you break down the flaws for those of us who clearly don't understand what makes a good guitar solo?

You can't have a music thread without the professor hating on John Frusciante.

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You can't have a music thread without the professor hating on John Frusciante.

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Haha sorry, I didn't realize I was so predictable! I mean though, I really am not hating, it's just that I've always been confused. I literally just don't understand, and I wish I did.

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Professor Frick said:

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The Porkchop Express said:

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abileneag09 said:

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Springsteen
Prince

I don't understand why either of them are popular. Especially Prince.

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Because when he wasn't being a musical genius, he was casually the most freakishly talented guitar player of his generation.

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Easily most overrated guitar solo of all time. I like Prince. Prince is an amazing songwriter, a great musician, and a very good guitar player. This solo is just not that great.

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Can you break down the flaws for those of us who clearly don't understand what makes a good guitar solo?

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I wouldn't say it's flawed, it's just IMO unremarkable I guess. I wouldn't have anything bad to say about it at all if it weren't for the fact that it seems to be posted all the time as evidence for Prince being one of the greatest guitarists of all time. He is a good guitarist!
I just think he gets graded on a curve here; if anyone else played that solo it wouldn't be as big of a deal, it's just that it was a surprise that Prince did it.

The version by Clapton at the concert for George for me is so much better. He's so much more soulful. It's why they call him slowhand.

Professor Frick said:

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Springsteen
Prince

I don't understand why either of them are popular. Especially Prince.

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Because when he wasn't being a musical genius, he was casually the most freakishly talented guitar player of his generation.

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Easily most overrated guitar solo of all time. I like Prince. Prince is an amazing songwriter, a great musician, and a very good guitar player. This solo is just not that great.

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LOL. Ummm professional musicians would disagree with you including Petty, Lynn and others who were there and have talked about it. I'll take their opinions over yours. His Purple Rain solo at the super bowl was another amazing performance. And he shredded it in every concert.

Sure I'll take Hendrix, Page, Beck, Eddie VH and a few others over him but he's easily top 10.

It's an appropriate song, as you guya are gently weeping all over this thread

The only reason Prince's guitar playing is ever brought up is because he was also a singer and songwriter.

If he was just another guitar player he would not stand out in any particular way.

As a guitar player, he can't sniff the jock of many of his contemporaries like Slash, Frusciante, Morello, much less even come near an all time top 10.

Let's not get carried away, Prince is definitely way better than Frusciante

Lol, no.

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Lol, no.

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Good Lord, man.

Every pro guitarist out there raves about how great he was.

And as far as the solo on While My Guitar Gently Weeps, watch it again. It's as if the licks just flow out of him. He wasn't taxed at all by what he played even though it was a great solo. He wasn't struggling thru it or having to concentrate. He was one with the Tele at that moment.

And yet nobody has called him a bad guitarist. But there's a million great guitar players out there.

My point remains his name is only ever brought up due to his fame as a pop star.

Had he never been a singer, he's not a famous or successful enough to be a "name" in rock, like the other guitar players mentioned.

And to go straight to top 10 all time is ludicrous. It's telling that the solo everyone is pointing to is on a song that wasn't his.

The real greats have iconic riffs, solos, and tones that are instantly recognizable. Santana, Page, Slash, EVH, Hendrix, etc.

No mention of Spice Girls? Everybody is then save from my wrath.

Again I'll defer to other professional musicians about both that solo and him in general as a guitarist. Just google Prince as a guitarist and you'll see so many accolades from big names. And yes I know the Clapton quote was made up about him saying he isn't Prince when asked what it feels like to be the greatest guitarist.

I'd actually argue the opposite of what you are saying I think his status as a guitarist is minimized because he is a legendary singer, writer, frontman, and multi instrumentalist. Had he been just a guitarist I think he might be in the rarefied Hendrix level.

And as far as well known riffs there are hardly many more well known that Purple Rain or When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy. And people I think overlook the more subtle riffs of his music - listen to Controversy or Alphabet St. or Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad? and tell me how he isn't known for his guitar licks. His solos on Computer Blue, Dolphin, Batdance, Lady Cab Driver and I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man are epic as well but not as well known..

Have you ever been to a Prince concert? Or just seen these few highlight moments. He absolutely shreds it in every show....watch this for example for what he does in pretty much every show....



Or watch this and see other musicians talk about him glowingly
Gary Clark Jr.
Paul McCartney
Leny Kravitz
Joan Jett
Jeff McKagan
Nile Rogers
The Edge
Dave Grohl
Adam Levine




Another:
John Mayer
Billy Gibbons - talks about the rock hall performance and then meeting Prince shortly after and talking guitar for hours where he asked him to teach him the When Doves Cry lick
Steven Vai
Frank Zappa

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And as far as well known riffs there are hardly many more well known that Purple Rain or When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy.

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Hardly?

Yes those are well known, and I get that you're clearly a Prince fan, but your tendency towards this type of hyperbole is hard to take seriously.

You can't honestly be saying there's hardly more iconic riffs than Purple Rain.

The problem with Prince is that he was more of a live guitarist that rarely showcased his guitar playing abilities in studio. Add to the fact that he basically blocked any kind of live recording, he became somewhat mystified. Everyone told you that he was great, but you just had to take them for their word unless you saw him live.

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The problem with Prince is that he was more of a live guitarist that rarely showcased his guitar playing abilities in studio. Add to the fact that he basically blocked any kind of live recording, he became somewhat mystified. Everyone told you that he was great, but you just had to take them for their word unless you saw him live.

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Pretty sure he showed the world in the Super Bowl.

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And as far as well known riffs there are hardly many more well known that Purple Rain or When Doves Cry and Let's Go Crazy.

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Hardly?

Yes those are well known, and I get that you're clearly a Prince fan, but your tendency towards this type of hyperbole is hard to take seriously.

You can't honestly be saying there's hardly more iconic riffs than Purple Rain.

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For one thing I did not say there are hardly any more iconic.....what I said was there are hardly many more well known. Not the same thing. Of course there are more iconic ones.

And it's not hyperbole. If they are instantly recognizable by most - and I think they are - then there are hardly many that are more well known. How can they be more well known than that - only if nearly everyone recognizes them and thats probably extremely rare.

And again....don't take my word for it. I'm just a drummer. But I'll stand on the side with many rock legends who admire him as a true great.

What are you talking about

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It always amazes me how much hate Bruce gets here. Maybe it's an age thing, in his time he was the perfect blend of the older folk and emerging rock traditions. And he grew as he went, which is rare.

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I'm a big Springsteen fan, but I get it. You get assaulted with some of his hits every 5 minutes on the radio that either really aren't that good (Hungry Heart) or were good in a gimmicky way but now just are so overplayed (Glory Days) and you don't hear a lot of the older stuff that really defined his sound like Racing In the Street.

Then post Tunnel of Love he becomes a bit of a mumble-fest (though Pearl Jam still gets high praise everywhere and you can rarely understand anything Vedder sings) and puts out a lot of somewhat "concept" albums that stray from what he's done before but still have some great content. Human Touch and Lucky Town aren't great (or even good) albums, but they've got some great songs. Ghost of Tom Joad and Seeger Sessions very niche. The Rising was basically a 9/11 tribute album.

He really leaned back into his sound with Magic and criminally underrated Wrecking Ball (an album that still applies perfectly to the world today). But post Wrecking Ball (meaning the last decade +), most of his stuff has been pretty mediocre.

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I read this with Patrick Bateman's voice in my head.

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Proposition Joe said:

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It always amazes me how much hate Bruce gets here. Maybe it's an age thing, in his time he was the perfect blend of the older folk and emerging rock traditions. And he grew as he went, which is rare.

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I'm a big Springsteen fan, but I get it. You get assaulted with some of his hits every 5 minutes on the radio that either really aren't that good (Hungry Heart) or were good in a gimmicky way but now just are so overplayed (Glory Days) and you don't hear a lot of the older stuff that really defined his sound like Racing In the Street.

Then post Tunnel of Love he becomes a bit of a mumble-fest (though Pearl Jam still gets high praise everywhere and you can rarely understand anything Vedder sings) and puts out a lot of somewhat "concept" albums that stray from what he's done before but still have some great content. Human Touch and Lucky Town aren't great (or even good) albums, but they've got some great songs. Ghost of Tom Joad and Seeger Sessions very niche. The Rising was basically a 9/11 tribute album.

He really leaned back into his sound with Magic and criminally underrated Wrecking Ball (an album that still applies perfectly to the world today). But post Wrecking Ball (meaning the last decade +), most of his stuff has been pretty mediocre.

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I read this with Patrick Bateman's voice in my head.

https://transacted.io/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Patrick-Bateman-Pin-Stripe-Suit.png

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I wouldn't expect you two to get it, probably couldn't sniff a res at Dorsia no matter the night of the week.

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It always amazes me how much hate Bruce gets here. Maybe it's an age thing, in his time he was the perfect blend of the older folk and emerging rock traditions. And he grew as he went, which is rare.

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I'm a big Springsteen fan, but I get it. You get assaulted with some of his hits every 5 minutes on the radio that either really aren't that good (Hungry Heart) or were good in a gimmicky way but now just are so overplayed (Glory Days) and you don't hear a lot of the older stuff that really defined his sound like Racing In the Street.

Then post Tunnel of Love he becomes a bit of a mumble-fest (though Pearl Jam still gets high praise everywhere and you can rarely understand anything Vedder sings) and puts out a lot of somewhat "concept" albums that stray from what he's done before but still have some great content. Human Touch and Lucky Town aren't great (or even good) albums, but they've got some great songs. Ghost of Tom Joad and Seeger Sessions very niche. The Rising was basically a 9/11 tribute album.

He really leaned back into his sound with Magic and criminally underrated Wrecking Ball (an album that still applies perfectly to the world today). But post Wrecking Ball (meaning the last decade +), most of his stuff has been pretty mediocre.

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Bruce is my absolute favorite artist of all time so I don't really get how people hate his music but clearly he touches a nerve for some people.

I was almost with you on this whole post until the end...most of the post Wrecking Ball stuff hasn't been fantastic with the huge exception of Western Stars. That whole album is a masterpiece and some of the best work Bruce has put out.