Doing PR for a movie or tv show is an art form, and very few actors are as good at it as someone like Ryan Gosling. Most of them need extreme PR training and hand holding, and I think the studios PR departments are failing actors, especially young ones like Millie Alcock. Especially in today's media world where you have so many entertainment media who are trying to coax extreme soundbites from actors so they can get views on Twitter and a divided audience that is just looking to get ticked off about something the actor has said.
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Most of these actors are theatre kids who have been existing within an extreme ideology bubble pretty much their entire lives. They are honestly too dense to understand that well over half the nation isn't interested in leftist preaching and it will cost their studios a lot of money. Someone needs to explain it to them, but no one wants to be "the man".
And speaking of. ****ing yikes!
Supergirl Thursday previews at my local theater:
— Byl Holte (@SirBylHolte) June 21, 2026
3pm, 5pm, 7:40pm and 10:30pm:
A combined total of 21 SEATS SOLD.
Remember this next Monday when they tell you itβs the number one movie in the world ππ pic.twitter.com/8rEzlI6LRw
It seemed her quote was pretty tame and neutral. It was pretty much a gotcha question and she tried to answer it neutrally. The story isn't about love or a man. The comic was True Grit in Space. The story is about vengeance and the nature of Supergirl. It is a really good comic book story.
What is killing DC is they don't have the right rhythm to these movie releases. When the MCU hummed, you had a big main movie first then then the more off beat movie released second.
2014: Captain America Winter Solider then GOTG
2015: Age of Ultron then Ant-Man
2016: Civil War then Dr. Strange
2017: Spider-Man Homecoming then Thor Ragnarok
2018: Black Panther (movie was setup well) to Infinity War then Ant-Man and Wasp.
2019: Went backwards. Captain Marvel (flop) then Endgame then Spider-Man 2.
2021: BW to Shang-Chi to Eternals to Spider-Man 3.
The first movie creates coat tails for the second. This Supergirl movie is clearly a second in the year movie.
Imagine if right now we were talking about a Batman movie about to release and then Supergirl had a later this year release date.
In my mind the comic book shared universe movies work best viewed as piggyback starters with the stronger IP starting the blockbuster season and the weaker IP cleaning up.
WB hung this movie out to dry so to speak without a lot of support.
What is killing DC is they don't have the right rhythm to these movie releases. When the MCU hummed, you had a big main movie first then then the more off beat movie released second.
2014: Captain America Winter Solider then GOTG
2015: Age of Ultron then Ant-Man
2016: Civil War then Dr. Strange
2017: Spider-Man Homecoming then Thor Ragnarok
2018: Black Panther (movie was setup well) to Infinity War then Ant-Man and Wasp.
2019: Went backwards. Captain Marvel (flop) then Endgame then Spider-Man 2.
2021: BW to Shang-Chi to Eternals to Spider-Man 3.
The first movie creates coat tails for the second. This Supergirl movie is clearly a second in the year movie.
Imagine if right now we were talking about a Batman movie about to release and then Supergirl had a later this year release date.
In my mind the comic book shared universe movies work best viewed as piggyback starters with the stronger IP starting the blockbuster season and the weaker IP cleaning up.
WB hung this movie out to dry so to speak without a lot of support.
Comic book movies have also worn out their welcome with a lot of people
Yeah, I didn't think her answer was all that controversial at all. I want to see this more from a morbid curiosity standpoint to know if Gunn is going to succeed with this reboot. Superman was not a good movie, IMO. This one actually looks better to me, but if it's as lame as Superman he has a major problem on his hands.
Ehhh, to some degree maybe, but Supergirl shouldn't even be the 6th or 7th movie released, much less the 2nd. Gunn picked the wrong properties to push and he's injected too much of himself into them (so far).
And as SeaSpeed said, the general public is over huge multicharacter interconnected comic book universes. Yes, Doomsday will make money, but it remains to be seen whether it will spark an actual renewed interest in the MCU or just people going to see a one-time spectacle.
And as SeaSpeed said, the general public is over huge multicharacter interconnected comic book universes. Yes, Doomsday will make money, but it remains to be seen whether it will spark an actual renewed interest in the MCU or just people going to see a one-time spectacle.
How was Captain Marvel a flop? It was $1.1 billion global and $426m domestic.
FL_Ag1998 said:
Ehhh, to some degree maybe, but Supergirl shouldn't even be the 6th or 7th movie released, much less the 2nd. Gunn picked the wrong properties to push and he's put injected to much of himself into them (so far).
And as SeaSpeed said, the general public is over huge multicharacter interconnected comic book universes. Yes, Doomsday will make money, but it remains to be seen whether it will spark an actual renewed interest in the MCU or just people going to see a one-time spectacle.
I kinda agree. I think what the public is worn out is these lesser characters demanding the big spotlight and then being too formulaic.
If I was WB/DC, I am busy thinking about how to get the Absolute Universe on the screen and starting over.
Probably retooling Man of Tomorrow/Lanterns/Creature Commandos/Whatever to have a Darkseid story working in the background to setup the Absolute Universe and then launch the Absolute Universe ASAP.
CharleyKerfeld said:
How was Captain Marvel a flop? It was $1.1 billion global and $426m domestic.
Who said Capt. Marvel was a flop? The Marvels absolutely did flop, but not Captain Marvel.
I see the post now.Yeah Captain Marvel did not flop
CharleyKerfeld said:
How was Captain Marvel a flop? It was $1.1 billion global and $426m domestic.
My mistake. I did get it confused with the Marvels.
Edit: I think the larger point stands because every movie between IW and End Game performed and when out of that shadow dropped back down. See Marvels.
The order has never made any sense. Gunn has basically said that whatever scripts are ready to go get filmed, and that's really the only criteria. Basically, the script/story comes first. And on one hand, I absolutely admire that they're not forcing anything to try and make arbitrary release dates. But the downside is that, from the jump, this whole universe has just felt so slapped together.
It didn't help that it was never a true reboot either, with Peacemaker, of all things, being this weird connective tissue between the DCEU and DCU. And now Peacemaker, Superman, and Supergirl all feel part of the most random, goofy, Gunny universe ever. But then the second those three properties establish a tone, next we're getting the uber serious Lanterns and Clayface, both of which are welcomed but also potentially make for little too much whiplash?
Apparently Lanterns in August will at least introduce the first inklings of the new, overarching, DCU big-bad. Or, rather, Gunn said that Hal and John "discover a terrifying mystery that ties into our larger story of the DCU."
Then word from Clayface test screenings so far is at least extremely positive.
Followed by Man of Tomorrow next summer, which will, of course, be a return to the goofy Gunn aesthetic.
I don't know, it's all just so weird/random, and none of it feels event-ized or connected.
I read something the other day that I *did* find intriguing, which is why Gunn may have turned around and made Man of Tomorrow so quickly (which will release just two years after Superman). Basically, with Paramount buying WB, anything is possible now, and Paramount could decide to scrap the DCU entirely, fire Gunn and Safran, and start over yet again in whatever form or fashion, re: DC. So Gunn is basically pumping MoT out as fast as a he can, before the Paramount/WB is fully closed, to further establish the DCU and maybe even have a hit on his hands next summer that Paramount can't deny. And honestly, that makes a ton of sense. But if Man of Tomorrow fails? Yeah, all bets are off.
Basically, the Paramount/WB deal will close in the second half of this year. Both Man of Tomorrow and The Batman Part II will then release during the second half of next year regardless. After those two release, though, based on their performances, Paramount will then have some very big decisions to make.
It didn't help that it was never a true reboot either, with Peacemaker, of all things, being this weird connective tissue between the DCEU and DCU. And now Peacemaker, Superman, and Supergirl all feel part of the most random, goofy, Gunny universe ever. But then the second those three properties establish a tone, next we're getting the uber serious Lanterns and Clayface, both of which are welcomed but also potentially make for little too much whiplash?
Apparently Lanterns in August will at least introduce the first inklings of the new, overarching, DCU big-bad. Or, rather, Gunn said that Hal and John "discover a terrifying mystery that ties into our larger story of the DCU."
Then word from Clayface test screenings so far is at least extremely positive.
Followed by Man of Tomorrow next summer, which will, of course, be a return to the goofy Gunn aesthetic.
I don't know, it's all just so weird/random, and none of it feels event-ized or connected.
I read something the other day that I *did* find intriguing, which is why Gunn may have turned around and made Man of Tomorrow so quickly (which will release just two years after Superman). Basically, with Paramount buying WB, anything is possible now, and Paramount could decide to scrap the DCU entirely, fire Gunn and Safran, and start over yet again in whatever form or fashion, re: DC. So Gunn is basically pumping MoT out as fast as a he can, before the Paramount/WB is fully closed, to further establish the DCU and maybe even have a hit on his hands next summer that Paramount can't deny. And honestly, that makes a ton of sense. But if Man of Tomorrow fails? Yeah, all bets are off.
Basically, the Paramount/WB deal will close in the second half of this year. Both Man of Tomorrow and The Batman Part II will then release during the second half of next year regardless. After those two release, though, based on their performances, Paramount will then have some very big decisions to make.
They should have gotten the Batman sequel going a lot faster and had it roll out this summer, then hit people with Lanterns, and then added in a WW movie or something much more big tent pole next summer. I know Gunn isn't in charge of Batman, but I feel like I'm going to be getting my AARP card by the time the 2nd one arrives.
Or take some lesser hero and put a perfectly cast actor in it, like Cumberbatch as Strange or Rudd as Ant-Man to make people see a different side of the universe. Give me a Martian Manhunter movie instead of 3 weird scenes in Zach Snyder's JL extended nerd cut. Or give me a GL/Green Arrow team-up with Fillion Guy Gardner and some serious young guy as Oliver Queen as the straight man.
Putting Supergirl out there feels exactly like it did in the 80s, like studio heads were saying "Well Superman movies make money, people like pretty girls, how about a Supergirl movie?" Then I've got Helen Slater fighting a witch or whatever the hell was going on there. The new one looks fun and I'll go see it with one of my kids, but I also feel like I could write the Pitch Meeting script for it.
Or take some lesser hero and put a perfectly cast actor in it, like Cumberbatch as Strange or Rudd as Ant-Man to make people see a different side of the universe. Give me a Martian Manhunter movie instead of 3 weird scenes in Zach Snyder's JL extended nerd cut. Or give me a GL/Green Arrow team-up with Fillion Guy Gardner and some serious young guy as Oliver Queen as the straight man.
Putting Supergirl out there feels exactly like it did in the 80s, like studio heads were saying "Well Superman movies make money, people like pretty girls, how about a Supergirl movie?" Then I've got Helen Slater fighting a witch or whatever the hell was going on there. The new one looks fun and I'll go see it with one of my kids, but I also feel like I could write the Pitch Meeting script for it.
I think Man of Tomorrow is going to have the exact same % returns that Superman did....mediocre, not a techbnical failure but not what they should be getting. I mean, why would it not, right? Why would there be a sudden influx of interest in this Gunn DCU for Man of Tomorrow that wasn't there for Superman?
I absolutely agree that Gunn is trying to force through as much as he can in the hopes that after the merger Paramount will feel like they have no choice but to go forward with his DCU at least a little bit longer. I don't think it'll work, and the (assumed) "low" return on Man of Tomorrow might actually seal his fate
As far is his reasoning to just go with whatever movie has a ready to go script? It only works in a disconnected universe where each movie/character is standalone. To try to take that approach in a connected universe is just plain stupidity and shows why Gunn is in over his head.
I absolutely agree that Gunn is trying to force through as much as he can in the hopes that after the merger Paramount will feel like they have no choice but to go forward with his DCU at least a little bit longer. I don't think it'll work, and the (assumed) "low" return on Man of Tomorrow might actually seal his fate
As far is his reasoning to just go with whatever movie has a ready to go script? It only works in a disconnected universe where each movie/character is standalone. To try to take that approach in a connected universe is just plain stupidity and shows why Gunn is in over his head.
SUPERGIRL producer Lars Winthers says David Ellison Has Met With James Gunn, Peter Safran: βHeβs Pretty Open to What Weβre Doingβ
— Everything_DCU (@EverythingDCU_) June 23, 2026
βHe came to Trilith [Studios] already. Thatβs where we shoot all our movies that James directs,β Winther told The Hollywood Reporter. βHe came toβ¦ pic.twitter.com/bRJgVUxFSN
Quote:
SUPERGIRL producer Lars Winthers says David Ellison Has Met With James Gunn, Peter Safran: "He's Pretty Open to What We're Doing"
"He came to Trilith [Studios] already. That's where we shoot all our movies that James directs," Winther told The Hollywood Reporter. "He came to Atlanta, we showed him everything, and we're having discussions with him."
"Ellison is currently interested in the duo's work and slateβ¦He's pretty open to what we're doing. We do have a slate and a lot of it obviously, Clayface is already coming out. We already have the Lanterns TV show. On those things, the train's left the station. So we're good. But he's a big fan, he's been great with us. He's giving us kind of what we want. So far, everything's good."
(Via @THR)
So Supergirl made its budget back before release by licensing the imagery out to companies.
— Ant π FINAL EDITS For My Novel (@AGramuglia) June 23, 2026
This is how films become profitable in the new era by subverting the box office. pic.twitter.com/bVFZKlAuxY
FL_Ag1998 said:
I think Man of Tomorrow is going to have the exact same % returns that Superman did....mediocre, not a techbnical failure but not what they should be getting. I mean, why would it not, right? Why would there be a sudden influx of interest in this Gunn DCU for Man of Tomorrow that wasn't there for Superman?
I absolutely agree that Gunn is trying to force through as much as he can in the hopes that after the merger Paramount will feel like they have no choice but to go forward with his DCU at least a little bit longer. I don't think it'll work, and the (assumed) "low" return on Man of Tomorrow might actually seal his fate
As far is his reasoning to just go with whatever movie has a ready to go script? It only works in a disconnected universe where each movie/character is standalone. To try to take that approach in a connected universe is just plain stupidity and shows why Gunn is in over his head.
On one hand, Luthor and Superman teaming up - and the movie being marketed on that conceit - is admittedly intriguing/buzzy enough that it could potentially stand out, especially if it's good. That said, yeah, even with a bump/sudden influx of interest it's probably not going to do much better, box office-wise, than the first movie. The excitement just isn't there.
TCTTS said:So Supergirl made its budget back before release by licensing the imagery out to companies.
— Ant π FINAL EDITS For My Novel (@AGramuglia) June 23, 2026
This is how films become profitable in the new era by subverting the box office. pic.twitter.com/bVFZKlAuxY
Hmmm. I just read that article and I still have a hard time believing that, especially since I'm seeing no real concrete numbers in it. I doubt WB/DC is 1) being honest about the real production budget nor 2) including everything that's gone into the movie, including the marketing. Only talking about the bottom line production budget and pretending like there aren't other costs involved with putting a movie into theaters is smoke and mirrors. In fact, they're better off saying that their partnerships are offsetting the marketing costs, and now the box office just needs to cover the production budget. That seems like the more apt trade-off/description of these deals.
TCTTS said:SUPERGIRL producer Lars Winthers says David Ellison Has Met With James Gunn, Peter Safran: βHeβs Pretty Open to What Weβre Doingβ
— Everything_DCU (@EverythingDCU_) June 23, 2026
βHe came to Trilith [Studios] already. Thatβs where we shoot all our movies that James directs,β Winther told The Hollywood Reporter. βHe came toβ¦ pic.twitter.com/bRJgVUxFSNQuote:
SUPERGIRL producer Lars Winthers says David Ellison Has Met With James Gunn, Peter Safran: "He's Pretty Open to What We're Doing"
"He came to Trilith [Studios] already. That's where we shoot all our movies that James directs," Winther told The Hollywood Reporter. "He came to Atlanta, we showed him everything, and we're having discussions with him."
"Ellison is currently interested in the duo's work and slateβ¦He's pretty open to what we're doing. We do have a slate and a lot of it obviously, Clayface is already coming out. We already have the Lanterns TV show. On those things, the train's left the station. So we're good. But he's a big fan, he's been great with us. He's giving us kind of what we want. So far, everything's good."
(Via @THR)
Ellison also visited CBS News after buying them and told everyone their jobs were safe and he wouldn't touch 60 Minutes.
Then he flipped the place upside down.
I wouldn't trust his assurances about anything.
Not good, bob.
βSUPERGIRLβ debuts on Rotten Tomatoes at 59%
— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) June 24, 2026
Read our review: https://t.co/FHFT0MsO8j pic.twitter.com/uOuujURDwW
#Supergirl is a βsuper-horrendousβ comic book movie βwith the worst script I can remember,β reads Varietyβs review from @OwenGleiberman.
— Variety (@Variety) June 24, 2026
James Gunn said he wasnβt going into production on any movie until the script was rock-solid. For that was the overriding problem with theβ¦ pic.twitter.com/K5ekfDMpKw
Woah. It may be as I feared then.
If this movie is a flop, then we are back to DC really only being good on the small screen and not so good on the big screen.
If this movie is a flop, then we are back to DC really only being good on the small screen and not so good on the big screen.
YouBet said:
Woah. It may be as I feared then.
If this movie is a flop, then we are back to DC really only being good on the small screen and not so good on the big screen.
Maybe that's the right place for DC. Batman is the only one interesting major hero they have, and even there, most of the villains in his world are comically silly.
DC is for gritty graphic novels, not for long intricate crossovers.
amercer said:YouBet said:
Woah. It may be as I feared then.
If this movie is a flop, then we are back to DC really only being good on the small screen and not so good on the big screen.
Maybe that's the right place for DC. Batman is the only one interesting major hero they have, and even there, most of the villains in his world are comically silly.
DC is for gritty graphic novels, not for long intricate crossovers.
It's notable that the best DC property on the big screen right now is not being done by Gunn. It's starting to feel like we may have Peter Principle on our hands.
If they just want to print money. Make a Lego Batman every two years
I haven't seen any of this, nor even a Supergirl trailer, but I just want to say as a casual moviegoer, don't start your shiny new universe with:
- Creature Commandos
- Superman
- Season 2 of a carryover show (Peacemaker)
- Supergirl
It's just a bad idea. Diluting your brand from the jump with two confusing shows, then Superman followed by Supergirl, when the general public assumes they have the same powers.
- Creature Commandos
- Superman
- Season 2 of a carryover show (Peacemaker)
- Supergirl
It's just a bad idea. Diluting your brand from the jump with two confusing shows, then Superman followed by Supergirl, when the general public assumes they have the same powers.
So I guess that I, as a white Christian male, will be solely responsible for this movie's failure. Never mind the fact that I have tickets for a Friday showing.
rhutton125 said:
I haven't seen any of this, nor even a Supergirl trailer, but I just want to say as a casual moviegoer, don't start your shiny new universe with:
- Creature Commandos: Not any good. I DNF'ed it.
- Superman - Bad to Average
- Season 2 of a carryover show (Peacemaker) - DNF'ed after gross, unnecessary orgy scene to kick off S2
- Supergirl - TBD; will stream this.
It's just a bad idea. Diluting your brand from the jump with two confusing shows, then Superman followed by Supergirl, when the general public assumes they have the same powers.
Just make a great show or movie. Don't bow down to political agendas or shock value from networks like hbo. Tell the cast and crew to stfu and bar them from social media while under employment. And If they throw back to a sexy Wonder Woman like Lynda Carter in a hot outfit, I won't be mad at them
batchuser said:
Just make a great show or movie. Don't bow down to political agendas or shock value from networks like hbo. Tell the cast and crew to stfu and bar them from social media while under employment. And If they throw back to a sexy Wonder Woman like Lynda Carter in a hot outfit, I won't be mad at them
Preach brotha! Gal is pretty damn beautiful though. Her first movie was pretty good minus the climatic scene was silly. WW84 was dumb as hell.
batchuser said:
Just make a great show or movie. Don't bow down to political agendas or shock value from networks like hbo. Tell the cast and crew to stfu and bar them from social media while under employment. And If they throw back to a sexy Wonder Woman like Lynda Carter in a hot outfit, I won't be mad at them
Not saying it's right or wrong, but there is a theory that they wanted the lead actress to run her mouth off leading up to what they knew was going to suck so that they could blame the flop on the toxic male fans like they have when other girl boss movies flopped.
Apparently they cut 25 minutes/pages from the script everyone was raving about way back when, which would explain a lot. Also, Gleiberman is such a boomer goober...
The histrionics of aging critics needs to be studied in the future. I grew up reading Gleiberman and respected the hell out of his takes and analysis. But he's a dinosaur critic now and I wonder if some of these dinosaur critics resort to histrionic reviews like this just to get⦠https://t.co/ioqSLxRjKq
— John Rocha (@TheRochaSays) June 24, 2026
That said, based on this latest round of reviews, I've definitely gone from "might see it in theaters" to "definitely waiting for streaming."
Sea Speed said:batchuser said:
Just make a great show or movie. Don't bow down to political agendas or shock value from networks like hbo. Tell the cast and crew to stfu and bar them from social media while under employment. And If they throw back to a sexy Wonder Woman like Lynda Carter in a hot outfit, I won't be mad at them
Not saying it's right or wrong, but there is a theory that they wanted the lead actress to run her mouth off leading up to what they knew was going to suck so that they could blame the flop on the toxic male fans like they have when other girl boss movies flopped.
There is no chance in hell that actually happened, I promise you that.
I don't think any of that matters that much. That's all overblown. I think it's just a struggling genre (superheroes), in a low-hype universe (DCU, barely off the ground), with a not-all-that-popular superhero (Supergirl) who is simultaneously kinda samey compared to last year's movie (Superman) and also been-there done-that (she had a 6-season TV show not that long ago). Plus a copycat vibe (Guardians).
Throw in a dash of "poor script" and you end up with a lukewarm audience reception.
Any of that can be overcome if the movie is good, or the hype or marketing is enough to overcome a bad movie (ie Minecraft, Suicide Squad 2016, etc) but this is all kind of fizzling left and right. Nothing controversial, just not much interest and - from the sound of it with these reviews - not a very interesting film.
Throw in a dash of "poor script" and you end up with a lukewarm audience reception.
Any of that can be overcome if the movie is good, or the hype or marketing is enough to overcome a bad movie (ie Minecraft, Suicide Squad 2016, etc) but this is all kind of fizzling left and right. Nothing controversial, just not much interest and - from the sound of it with these reviews - not a very interesting film.
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