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FL_Ag1998
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In reply to Sea Speed • 3:09p, 6/24/26
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Sea Speed said:
batchuser said:
Just make a great show or movie. Don't bow down to political agendas or shock value from networks like hbo. Tell the cast and crew to stfu and bar them from social media while under employment. And If they throw back to a sexy Wonder Woman like Lynda Carter in a hot outfit, I won't be mad at them


Not saying it's right or wrong, but there is a theory that they wanted the lead actress to run her mouth off leading up to what they knew was going to suck so that they could blame the flop on the toxic male fans like they have when other girl boss movies flopped.


Yeah, I'm not pinning that theory on you so please don't take this personal, but that's a pretty dumb theory.

I think this is just the culmination of several factors...

a young actress who has either had very little P. R training or ignored the PR training that she's getting. I don't get the impression that Milly Alcock is a truly mean spirited extreme liberal, like Rachel Zegler who tries to piss off large portions of the potential audience.

Combine that with studio P.R. Execs who are clueless about what overall society wants to see and so they set up PR events with all of the wrong type of media who will just ask this naive actress horrible and loaded questions.

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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 3:25p, 6/24/26
AG
I think she's probably just ******ed. Many such cases.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 4:32p, 6/24/26
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Sea Speed said:
Comic book movies have also worn out their welcome with a lot of people


It definitely has for me. I liked Christoper Reeves Superman and Batman as a kid but they are standalone stories. They lost me when they try to create this universe where all of the super heroes are doing their thing at the same time which makes the plot lines overwhelming and absurd.
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4:42p, 6/24/26
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This board loves to scream WOKE at anything they don't like then rejoice if it fails, but it seems like there are bigger problems in movie making

Kevin Costner's Horizon Is the least woke film ever, and was a massive bomb. Disclosure Day, pretty apolitical plot cast director etc, also a bomb.

When I was a kid 80s/90s we would go see at least a movie a week. My kids maybe see one a year in the theater and that's if I drag them there.

So I'm not sure there is a solution for DC, Marvel, Star Wars or any other franchise. Every once in a while you catch lightning in a bottle, and the rest of the time you struggle to break even.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 5:49p, 6/24/26
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Sea Speed said:
Comic book movies have also worn out their welcome with a lot of people


And yet Spiderman will make a small fortune next month. There's more going on than just a worn out genre.
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6:23p, 6/24/26
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Man, even the normal sunshine-pumping Youtubers are giving this movie an at-best ,"Meh, its not a terrible movie."

Not sure if its the 20 minutes that was supposedly cut (I don't personally think that would be the sole reason for a "meh" movie), or the fact that this major movie was handed to a basic noob screenwriter, or that its now obvious James Gunn has one-mode and clear limitations.
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In reply to agdoc2001 • 6:37p, 6/24/26
AG
That may be true, but Spider-Man also follows his own rules a bit (in that research shows he's more popular than all other characters combined, including Batman, when it comes to toy sales, etc.).

I do think a Supergirl movie is a "nobody asked for this" kind of thing though, struggling genre or not.
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6:45p, 6/24/26
German Lussier gives it a good review, which is surpising because he's done a heel turn and crapped on almost everything the last few years.

https://gizmodo.com/supergirl-movie-review-milly-alcock-dc-jason-momoa-2000769763
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6:49p, 6/24/26
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I generally like the character, Supergirl, but having this be the second movie in the new DCU is a bit like the MCU following up Iron Man with Black Widow.

The primary reason I am seeing this is my daughter. I don't get much time with her these days, but when she said she wanted to see this one, I couldn't say no. I'm not expecting much out of the actual movie, though.
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8:02p, 6/24/26
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 8:16p, 6/24/26
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Yeah, people I've been watching were questioning that months ago. The writing was on the wall months ago unfortunately.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 8:49p, 6/24/26
AG
Except she was a playwright before this, which is a pipeline to Hollywood that has existed for decades.

Also, again, I can't emphasize enough the number of people who publicly raved about the script prior to/during filming. I even know one of them personally/privately - literally one of my good friends, who worked on the marketing for this movie and never bull****s me, who isn't "woke" either, or some big "girl power" advocate, so it had nothing to do with that. This person isn't even a big superhero fan and they *loved* the script.

Every indication was that the script was fantastic.

If it wasn't, there's absolutely no world in which Gunn gives this thing the green light, then gives her both the Teen Titans and Wonder Woman writing gigs as well. No way in hell.

Rather, something had to have happened during production/post-production where things went awry, and I'm guessing it had to do with that 25 minutes that was cut. It happens. In fact, it happens all the time. Too many cooks in the kitchen, too many executive notes, too many people listening to test screening audiences... who knows.

All I know is that too many people, especially my close friend, weren't that delusional as to all think the script initially written was great when it somehow really wasn't.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:20p, 6/24/26
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TC, we've seen plenty of movies in the past where reviewers have said it was good but it was lacking a little bit....could have used just a bit more such and such...just 5 or 10 minutes more of something.

This seems different. More than that. This is a LOT of reviewers saying not only was the script bad, but...

The bad guy is bland, boring, forgettable...
Lackluster supporting characters....
Superficial.....
Cookiecutter storytelling...
Lack of imagination...
Unsophisticated and uninspired...
Generic boring sci-fi mess full of tropes...
Doesn't have its own identity...
Big studio schlock...
And on and on.

Then there were technical complaints about the lighting and color.

This seems like more than just 20 or so mins being cut through bad post production editing.


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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 9:27p, 6/24/26
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Maybe so. Personally, though, I'm still seeing more positive reactions than negative reactions in my feed. Maybe that's just the algorithm, but this also does very much have a "pile on" vibe right now. I guess we'll find out for sure tomorrow once audiences start seeing it for themselves. I'll be especially curious to hear reactions in this thread.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:28p, 6/24/26
It reminds me of when before Acolyte you defended the choice of LH as showrunner and acted like we were jumping the gun by saying it was a bizarre choice. It turns out she was out of her depth and delivered an absolute trainwreck, where there were PLENTY of potential showrunners who would have/could have done better.

I'm not trying to re-hash that particular argument, and we can agree to disagree as usual, but when your defense is "she was a playwright!" again my question is...but why her? Why not let someone with more experience handle what, given its budget, NEEDS to perform well? All of their missteps have such a predictable outcome. I find it all baffling.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 9:40p, 6/24/26
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Re: The Acolyte, as usual, I was simply saying let's wait and judge it until after we've seen the thing for ourselves. Or at least until after reviews start coming in. Sure, you can point to that one, specific example, but I can point to a dozen more where people here hemmed and hawed about how bad and woke or whatever something was going to be, and then I was the one, in contrast, who was proven right in the end.

As for why Nogueira? My guess is her pitch was great, but also probably because she came cheap. Unfortunately, after all the insane overspending of the DCEU era, Gunn has been on a leash, budget-wise, with the DCU. Combined with the fact that he came along right after Discovery took over Warner Bros, when Discovery's whole mandate, above all, was to cut costs everywhere they possibly could. Clayface was done on the cheap too. Thankfully, it sounds like that one turned out better than this one, though.
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9:42p, 6/24/26
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I'm telling y'all, the script was notoriously thought of as great. There's too much smoke there for there not to have been fire. Something happened during production...

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9:49p, 6/24/26
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This...

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9:54p, 6/24/26
AG
That's an interesting take and maybe one I agree with (though I'm by no means an expert). I've heard it before from DC fans that outside of the JL, and the Bat family, there isn't all that much depth. Better villains than heroes, that kind of thing. Curious what the real DC fans think though.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:21p, 6/24/26
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TCTTS said:
This...


He says big guns, but to the casual viewer, is Lanterns, Flash, or Teen Titans bigger than SuperGirl?

You need a really solid story. And you need to be aware that if you have a female or minority lead, writer, or director, a very vocal minority who wants everything to be white, male, and hetero is going to immediately hate it and do everything it can to trash your movie, and their relentless negativity will have an impact on how the movie is received.
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In reply to Aggie_Journalist • 10:27p, 6/24/26
AG
Aggie_Journalist said:
TCTTS said:
This...


He says big guns, but to the casual viewer, is Lanterns, Flash, or Teen Titans bigger than SuperGirl?

You need a really solid story. And you need to be aware that if you have a female or minority lead, writer, or director, a very vocal minority who wants everything to be white, male, and hetero is going to immediately hate it and do everything it can to trash your movie, and their relentless negativity will have an impact on how the movie is received.


I think Lanterns and probably Flash are. Not Teen Titans.
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In reply to Aggie_Journalist • 10:27p, 6/24/26
If it was a vocal minority, ticket sales would be fine. Normal Americans are tired of ts.
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10:32p, 6/24/26
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 10:34p, 6/24/26
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Tired of what, exactly? I haven't heard a single word of this movie being woke or whatever.

Tired of superhero movies? Sure.

Otherwise, what is this "normal Americans are tired of ts" crap you're talking about?

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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 10:38p, 6/24/26
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And now what's wrong with this clip???

That actually - truly - makes me want to see it more than any single trailer did.

This really does just feel like piling-on at this point. As if the only reaction one can have to a female-led superhero is to endlessly "reeeee" about it on the internet.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:40p, 6/24/26
Not trying to rile you, but sometimes I really think you ARE TC TTS to see what I mean. If this movie, from its look, to its marketing, to how Millie behaved in pressers didn't strike you as a flop waiting to happen, I don't know what to say. Studios wanting to make movies for the broadest possible appeal and to *make money* have to develop some discernment.
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In reply to TCTTS • 10:42p, 6/24/26
It's art, dude. If YOU like stuff that looks like that, that's fine. It's getting **** on on X right now by a lot of people who just saw it.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 11:06p, 6/24/26
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I didn't like Superman. I'm tired of the Gunn aesthetic. I've been critical of the DCU. And I have zero desire to see this movie in theaters. I've made those points pretty clear. Also? Studios probably shouldn't be making female-led superhero movies, Star Wars movies, etc anymore, as they've proven, more often than not, to be giant wastes of money.

In other words, I don't have blinders on.

Once again, you're projecting.

I was literally asking what "this ****" in your post was referring to, that people are tired of, seeing as this movie isn't woke/political at all, yet you were seemingly making it political with your "normal Americans" quip.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 11:14p, 6/24/26
AG
More than anything I'm seeing reaction after reaction like the below - that the movie is just kind of mid. Not great, but not a train wreck either, which seems to jive with the 58% on RT. Yet you're making it sound like it's some kind of affront to humanity, so I'm simply trying to understand where the anger/"sick of ts" sentiment is coming from.



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11:32p, 6/24/26
AG
Teen titans is big for those under 40. My 10 and 12 year olds love it more than Batman, Superman etc. In a way Teen Titans has kinda kept DC alive for younger folks.

That movie could kickstart DC if done right.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:32a, 6/25/26
No anger, no affront to mankind, just over a lot of the slop coming out of Hollywood. It's probably not awful if you go in with low expectations, but therein lies the problem...how did we get to this point where we excuse a studio dropping over $200 million to make stuff that is so blah.
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In reply to Cliff.Booth • 1:35a, 6/25/26
AG
On that we can agree, as I'm right there with you and as anti-slop as they come.

IMO, what made this particular instance different is two things...

1) For years now, Gunn has said over and over and over again that in the DCU the script comes first; that no project will move forward until the script is great, arbitrary release dates be damned. Which was very much both a dig at Marvel's strategy and exactly what you want someone in his position to say. That was/is such a welcomed approach, and sounded like the exact thing that was going to combat modern Hollywood crap.

2) Then? Everyone and their dog said this script was, indeed, great. While Gunn said the only reason it was their next/second movie on the slate was because it was the only script that was, apparently, at the "great" stage he had been saying their scripts needing to achieve.

Now, though?

I don't know what to think. Because Gunn SAID all of the right things. It felt like someone finally got it, and he seemed to be putting in the work to remedy the very thing we hate: blockbuster slop. Which is why it's hard for me to be up arms right now, or why it might seem like I'm excusing this movie.

In other words, this wasn't Kathleen Kennedy Star Wars nonsense, Marvel pumping out too much crap, or woke bull**** either.

Instead, everyone's intentions felt honorable and right. Which is another reason why I tend to believe the something-went-wrong-during-production narrative.

Or? Maybe Gunn just isn't cut out for a studio head role, which is a very real possibility. Maybe, between writing and directing both Superman and Man of Tomorrow over a four-year period, he simply hasn't had the bandwidth to oversee all these other projects, his judgment is waning, and he's just not able to ensure the very quality standards he's been touting. Maybe he's also not studio head material to begin with. Who knows?

Either way, in this particular instance, that's why my attitude is more "well that sucks" as opposed to "THESE PEOPLE ****ING SUCK," if only because their intentions have at least seemed pure, and it's more that they may just not be the right people for the job.
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2:14a, 6/25/26
DC needs to find its Iron Man - a director and an actor who want to make the coolest movie possible. A movie that has great music, great humor, and simple stakes. Maybe take a massive swing on someone that everyone knows is talented but is a dangerous hire and a smart director who is going to make a really tight movie that knows WTF he is doing.

Until that happens, it's going to be everyone sitting around with their thumbs up their asses until Batman II comes out, which according to the latest release date, is going to take them 5-1/2 years to actually do.

This is their master list per IGN on April 3, 2026.
I'm truly excited about 2 of these things: Lanterns and Batman 2. I'm sure I'll see Man of Tomorrow and the Wonder Woman movie is WW is hot enough. The only other show I, who consider myself a pretty heavy duty nerd, am excited about is a Booster Gold series. So that's 2 things I am truly excited they're doing out of a list of 20. Even if I include the other 3, you're still at a 25% interest rate. That's bad news for DC.



  • Supergirl (June 26, 2026)
  • Clayface (September 11, 2026)
  • Man of Tomorrow (July 9, 2027)
  • The Batman Part II (October 1, 2027)
  • Dynamic Duo (Animated Robin Origin Movie) (June 30, 2028)
  • Lanterns TV Series (Early 2026)
  • Mister Miracle Animated Series (In Production)
  • Batman: The Brave and the Bold (In Development)
  • Creature Commandos Season 2 (In Development)
  • The Authority (In Development)
  • Swamp Thing (In Development)
  • Teen Titans Movie (In Development)
  • Bane/Deathstroke Movie (In Development)
  • Wonder Woman Movie (In Development)
  • Waller TV Series (In Development)
  • Booster Gold TV Series (In Development)
  • Paradise Lost TV Series (In Development)
  • Blue Beetle Animated Series (In Development)
  • Harley Quinn and Other Animated Titles (In Development)
  • Sgt. Rock (In Development)
  • V for Vendetta TV Series (In Development)
  • DC Crime TV Series (In Development)
    • Constantine 2 (Status Unknown)
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