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Reeves will have nothing to do with *any* shared universe. It ain't happening.
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Would Reeves have any say in the matter?

They'll either back up the truck, or they'll continue it without him.

The Penguin had little to do with Reeves beyond an EP/advisor role, and that was an amazing show. No reason to think the same can't be true of new projects going forward.
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I know some of you desperately want this to mean that the current iteration of the DCU is done - I do too - but I'm telling you, nothing is pointing to that so far. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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Quite the opposite, in fact.

Meaning they're doubling down on the Gunn DCU? Or can you elaborate on what you mean?

How this news screams anything other than total failure for the Gunn universe is not making sense to me. Not sure what you're seeing that the rest of us aren't.
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Just read the press releases I'm posting. Read what everyone involved is saying. Then read the tea-leaves as well.

Gunn and Safran are simply stepping down as heads of the DCU, but the same, basic DCU is continuing on, just with less focus on obscure characters and more focus on the primary ones. There's not going to be another reboot. Corenswet is going to remain Superman, etc. Hell, it even sounds like Gunn is potentially making *another* DC movie after Man of Tomorrow.
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Then why have them step down at all?
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TCTTS said:

Reeves will have nothing to do with *any* shared universe. It ain't happening.

Don't know why everything these days has to be part of a universe. Yes, it worked for Marvel, at least up until Endgame, but it hasn't really worked for anyone else. Just make good stand alone movies and people will go see them. I think people are trying so hard to make everything connect in some way that they aren't spending enough time telling a good story.
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Again… read what they're saying. Gunn wasn't happy. It's sounding more and more like he instigated this, it was his choice to step down, he wasn't fired, etc.
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In 100% agreement.
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I'm basically on the same page. But as long as they tie in new projects into a universe that people already like, even tangentially, people will be more likely to watch them, IMO.

Like The Penguin, which had almost no connective tissue with The Batman movie beyond Colin Farrell.

You can do a similar thing where you set up the villains in their own movies, before having them brought into the next Batman movie as the next villain.
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TCTTS said:

Again… read what they're saying. Gunn wasn't happy. It's sounding more and more like he instigated this, it was his choice to step down, he wasn't fired, etc.

I guess I just find this incredibly hard to believe and it reeks of spin on both sides so nobody gets egg on their face.
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Gunn is literally talking about making another DC movie. Rumor is it's a third Superman movie. Not to mention he's been colleagues/friends for years with the guy who's replacing him. If this was a sudden firing, Gunn wouldn't be talking about another DC project, and the guy taking over likely wouldn't be someone it seems Gunn hand-picked. It may not be as clean/simple as that, but there are too many signs pointing to this being not only an amicable breakup, but all parties remaining in a friends-with-benefits situation. Never mind that Ellison continues to call what Gunn and Safran have done the past few years the "foundation" for the DCU going forward.
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PatAg said:

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FL_Ag1998 said:

I hate to break it to you, but if a second season of Lanterns was a possibility it would have already been announced while the show was on or just ending and they were trumpeting the ratings. But you'll notice that they stopped touting the ratings after episode 3 or so. From what I've heard, down the stretch the ratings fell week after week and by the end the show wasn't showing up in the weekly top 10 of the Nielsons.

You are a thief of joy.


Got any links for that?

https://www.thewrap.com/creative-content/tv-shows/lanterns-finale-ratings-hbo/


What is hard to do these days is see through the b.s. numbers that streamers will post about viewership. They've intentionally made reporting vague while also overly complicated so they can tout whatever they like to tout.

I did just ask several different chat platforms to verify the Nielsen ratings and they all came back saying Lanterns ranked in the top 10 for streaming for 4 weeks of its run. But it eventually fell out of the top 10, including its finale.
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Based on the statement below & the quoted post this is what I took away from James Gunn stepping down from his role at DC Studios:

-Doesn't want to be in control of an entire universe (in terms of what's canon & not)

-Will still have creative control, but there will be someone above him

-Is still involved with DC Studios

-Will still be making movies for them

So not a lot will change from the outside looking in
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Doesn't like the corporate nature of being the head of a giant corporation's film studio.

Must have been tough.
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Things I think:

1. Gunn needs to get over towards Star Wars. He is odd creative and needs a universe that needs an infusion of creativity that can take some oddness. GOTG 1 is a better retelling of A New Hope than Episode 7.

2. DC should pivot to the Absolute Universe, comics are wildly popular, clean start for Audience.

3. 2029 Tentpole movie should be an adaptation of Absolute Power/All In comics. Bring back the Snyder actors mixed with Gunn actors and some of the CW actors to have an epic Endgame blast to close out those universe and kickstart the absolute universe. Give everyone closure and a kick off point.

4. Next movie after that has to be Batman first. Batman is now the face of DC. Superman is number 2.
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Ignore the "yikes." This is probably a good pivot, all things considered. But they're likely taking the same universe, and the same characters, focusing mainly on the big ones (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc), and going more mainstream/family values/conservative with this universe. I saw someone say it's a "passing of the torch" in that regard, rather than any kind of reboot…

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Then why have them step down at all?


Two completely different things being the CEO vs being one of the creative guys that writes projects and handles creative.

This was classic Peter Principle in action putting Gunn as the CEO over DCU.
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I'd say this is probably good for most superhero/DC movies, but definitely not all superhero/DC movies, like the darker/weirder titles...

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If that simply means we get less John Cena in his undies and less orgy scenes in Peacemaker, I'm fine with that.
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Agreed. That's what I'm thinking. I'm just hoping it doesn't also mean a watered down Batman/Joker or whatever.
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That tweet trying to portray him as some conservative religious nut was a bit ridiculous.
Just go look at Latchams actual history in Hollywood, his actual resume speaks for itself.
He worked with probably the biggest current comedian to produce a family comedy movie most recently.
Directly before that was the Dungeons and Dragons movie and Bad times as the el royale, not exactly a movie you'd watch a Bible school.

And then obviously before that his involvement with Marvel, successfully doing what DC has tried and failed to do many times.
And to engage with the premise of the tweet, i think Gunns approach could have used some counterbalance in the creative process, he got a little too weird with it.

We'll see, I imagine that interview he gave was in relation to his faith and how he incorporates it into his work life, and was probably some Christian based podcast.
I doubt it his only guiding thought when working on a movie, based on some of his films.
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I was not aware that he produced Bad Times as the El Royale. That is a fantastic, demented movie. Very encouraging indeed.
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TCTTS said:

I was not aware that he produced Bad Times as the El Royale. That is a fantastic, demented movie. Very encouraging indeed.

Imdb says produced by p.g a. for that movie, which I had not ever seen before.
Apparently its a new acronym to verify that the person actually performed work on the production and wasnt just one of dozens of producers in name only.
That a term you are familiar with?

Also he could end up being responsible for more bad movies being made, I just think Twitter is leaping to some conclusions too quickly... like usual lol
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Yeah, it's been around since 2012/2013 or so. Good idea, too.
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No concrete answers, only speculation, but a nice, comprehensive list of the entire slate…

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In short...

- Gunn reportedly wasn't enjoying his executive role. His experience overseeing Supergirl, particularly giving creative notes to director Craig Gillespie, apparently soured him on managing other filmmakers. He also felt overworked and missed time with his family.

- For Ellison, the development slate was also a problem. Too much emphasis on secondary characters (Supergirl, Clayface, Sgt. Rock, Booster Gold, etc) and not enough progress on major properties like Batman and Wonder Woman. Several projects were stalled or repeatedly reworked.

- There were also power struggles. Gunn and Safran insisted on reporting directly to Ellison rather than Skydance film executives Dana Goldberg and Josh Greenstein (who are of course under Ellison). Gunn's/Safran's vision was for DC Studios to remain operating as an independent production entity, separate from both Warner Bros. and Paramount Pictures. Their replacement, Jeremy Latcham, will report to Goldberg and Greenstein.

- Latcham represents a more traditional studio executive. A former member of Kevin Feige's Marvel leadership circle, he has credits on Iron Man, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Spider-Man: Homecoming. He'll be less publicly visible, more collaborative with corporate leadership, and focused on strengthening development.

- Gunn's DC universe probably won't be rebooted. Ellison will likely retain David Corenswet as Superman (Ellison apparently loves Corenswet, who also stars in Skydance/Paramount's upcoming Mr. Irrelevent) and much of the existing cast while bringing in new filmmakers. Gunn is reportedly writing one final DC project, originally conceived as a third Superman movie, but now potentially a two-part Justice League film featuring Batman.
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Honestly that all sounds reasonable and positive changes. I wonder how much of it is just fancy spin on " the merger killed this"
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TCTTS said:



In short...

- Gunn reportedly wasn't enjoying his executive role. His experience overseeing Supergirl, particularly giving creative notes to director Craig Gillespie, apparently soured him on managing other filmmakers. He also felt overworked and missed time with his family.

- For Ellison, the development slate was also a problem. Too much emphasis on secondary characters (Supergirl, Clayface, Sgt. Rock, Booster Gold, etc) and not enough progress on major properties like Batman and Wonder Woman. Several projects were stalled or repeatedly reworked.

- There were also power struggles. Gunn and Safran insisted on reporting directly to Ellison rather than Skydance film executives Dana Goldberg and Josh Greenstein (who are of course under Ellison). Gunn's/Safran's vision was for DC Studios to remain operating as an independent production entity, separate from both Warner Bros. and Paramount Pictures. Their replacement, Jeremy Latcham, will report to Goldberg and Greenstein.

- Latcham represents a more traditional studio executive. A former member of Kevin Feige's Marvel leadership circle, he has credits on Iron Man, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Spider-Man: Homecoming. He'll be less publicly visible, more collaborative with corporate leadership, and focused on strengthening development.

- Gunn's DC universe probably won't be rebooted. Ellison will likely retain David Corenswet as Superman (Ellison apparently loves Corenswet, who also stars in Skydance/Paramount's upcoming Mr. Irrelevent) and much of the existing cast while bringing in new filmmakers. Gunn is reportedly writing one final DC project, originally conceived as a third Superman movie, but now potentially a two-part Justice League film featuring Batman.


Gunn posted earlier on social media and it heavily implied that being a studio executives was not in his skill set and took a lot of time away from his wife and his personal time
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Agree with the poster above that they should ditch the universe. It's played out, and frankly DC only has one hero you can reliably make decent movies with.

So every couple of years put out a stand alone Batman movie where he's either a detective or a Lego.
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Update on the future of DC characters and projects following the change in leadership at DC Studios:

Superman: Variety reports that it is "likely" Latcham will keep David Corenswet in the role

Batman: It is now "difficult" to know whether Matt Reeves's trilogy can continue under the new leadership

Wonder Woman: Adria Arjona could play the character in 'Man Of Tomorrow' (it could also be Maxima). The Paradise Lost series was scrapped this summer

Justice League: Until Batman and Wonder Woman are introduced into the universe, don't expect a Justice League movie in the next few years

Green Lantern: A season 2 has not yet been announced. With new leadership and greater financial implications, a S2 is still uncertain

Supergirl: Kara will return in 'Man of Tomorrow', but a second solo movie "would be surprising"

Clayface: Variety believes that "don't expect to see the character in another DC movie."

Harley Quinn: Her return would be an opportunity for DC to seize, even if Margot Robbie "may have turned the page for good"

Blue Beetle: The character will return in 'Man Of Tomorrow', but a return by Xolo Maridueña in another movie is "unlikely"

Peacemaker: A season 3 was never confirmed. "Without James Gunn at the helm of DC, Peacemaker is unlikely to return."

Creature Commandos: Season 2 is expected to air in 2027, after MoT, but a season 3 seems "unlikely" after Gunn's departure

Swamp Thing, Bane & Deathstroke, Teen Titans (etc…): several DC projects still in the early stages of development that were never officially confirmed are now in limbo.

It is still uncertain whether Jeremy Latcham, the new CEO of DC Studios, will follow James Gunn/Peter Safran's roadmap or impose a new vision.

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No way they would do this or if this would be possible with contacts. But I've had the idea to create some kind of rotation of ~5 years. Do something completely different than Marvel, be flexible to society trends. Have continuity within a rotation featuring a main DC hero, a group movie, have a hand off to the next rotation, but next rotation can be a different style and main hero, not held down by the previous rotation's style. If any one character hits it big, then give them an out of rotation movie, who cares?

Start with a dark detective Batman movie, then a Justice League Dark movie, then a Constantine and/or Zatanna (whoever is more popular from the previous movie), finish with another Batman movie that features a Wonder Woman cameo.
The Wonder Woman rotation can be more a mythology based movie, JLA movie, Hawkgirl movie, Wonder Woman sequel with a Super Man cameo.
Super Man rotation movie, Super Man group movie, Super Girl movie, Worlds Finest movie with Super Man and a brighter campier different Batman than before. New Batman actor.
The new Batman rotation is more Brave and The Bold style instead of dark detective style. Feature Flash or Booster Gold or someone.
Repeat forever.
 
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