I can't believe you guys are overlooking Cole in Pitch Black.

damn link won't post. Oh well

Dazed and Confused... he was a badass there too.

EllisCoAg said:

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i am ignorant about stocks, can someone explain what is going on with Beth versus the Corporation folks who want to buy the property.

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Beth is essentially making bets that Market Equities (ME) stock price will fall (going short). For this, I'm kind of ignoring the details of the securities/transactions she's using.

The first move a couple episodes ago was to go short, then drop a press release that ME didn't have permits for this giant project that investors assumed they had. Bad news = stock falls = Beth makes lots of money.

The second move in the most recent episode was to do so much shorting that it looked like there was a run on ME stock. That's why she was doing a bunch of small transactions instead of one big transaction.

Then ME started a hostile takeover of Schwartz and Meyer (S&M) by buying up stock on the open market so they could make Beth stop (and probably get hold of certain land assets Beth had previously acquired).

They were desperate/clumsy, they bought so fast that Beth noticed the transaction volume. So she dropped another press release that ME was trying to buy S&M, which made a bunch of other investors flood into S&M stock and drive the price way up, much higher than ME wanted to pay.

So ME told everyone that they didn't want S&M and simultaneously dumped all their stock at once, which crushed S&M's market price. The large gain may have pushed ME stock up (especially if they let that rumor out into the market, which they would have). That would have made their price go up, so Beth probably lost a bunch of money on the second round of shorting.



All this is as best I can remember without rewatching. I believe she was actually buying puts rather than short selling, but the difference doesn't matter much in a cowboy soap opera.

I'm betting when she finally meets her boss we find out she was really buying puts on S&M. Or some other convoluted solution that actually makes them come out ahead. Drama! Since I'm guessing trying to short your own company in any way is probably a massive no no.

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I'm betting when she finally meets her boss we find out she was really buying puts on S&M. Or some other convoluted solution that actually makes them come out ahead. Drama! Since I'm guessing trying to short your own company in any way is probably a massive no no.

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What Beth is doing in many ways is illegal. The CEO of ME even said "once we get Beth fired, we should hire her"

I wonder how the Indian lady factors in. Their conversation on the phone was hard to follow for us stock dummies.

Maybe Beth was trying to get her to short S&M and she wanted a bigger payday than Beth wanted to give?

Blanco Jimenez said:

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I thought it was cool they bought the cutting horse to take back on the show circuit and to remind people "they still exist". Mirrors what the King Ranch did a few years ago in real life which allowed them to aggressively market their cow horses again.

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Wagonhound is another group occasionally cutting. Would like to see 6666 do the same. Cut from a different cloth.

Cole was the antagonist is 2 Fast 2 Furious

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brew82 said:

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Not related to Yellowstone, I just watched Acts of Violence, stars Rip (Cole Hauser). He plays a similar character as Rip, a bad arse. Also has Bruce Willis. Not that great of a movie, but not terrible either. I think Cole Hauser has found his niche.

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I think he and Bruce Willis must have some kind of friendship as they are in several movies together. Tears of the Sun and one of the Die Hards off the top of my head.

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Hart's War, he wasn't in any of the Die Hard films.

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Unless IMDB is wrong it lists him as Collins in a "Good Day to Die Hard."

I think many people refuse to believe that one exists, or hell, even know it exists.

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Txgunrnnr said:

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JB!98 said:

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brew82 said:

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Not related to Yellowstone, I just watched Acts of Violence, stars Rip (Cole Hauser). He plays a similar character as Rip, a bad arse. Also has Bruce Willis. Not that great of a movie, but not terrible either. I think Cole Hauser has found his niche.

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I think he and Bruce Willis must have some kind of friendship as they are in several movies together. Tears of the Sun and one of the Die Hards off the top of my head.

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Hart's War, he wasn't in any of the Die Hard films.

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Unless IMDB is wrong it lists him as Collins in a "Good Day to Die Hard."

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Yep, I missed that one.

_lefraud_ said:

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I think many people refuse to believe that one exists, or hell, even know it exists.

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I think I have seen it once, but remembered him in it for some reason!

Goodson said:

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John Dutton has never been in a situation where there weren't alternative moves. It will be interesting to see whether the threat of eminent domain forms the bond between John and Rainwater. Perhaps with the land being transferred to the Native American Indians to prevent the loss via eminent domain to the government and ultimately to the developers. And with John having a side deal with Rainwater that would satisfy both as to what that might look like.

I'm still curious as to what Morrow "has" that was John's -- and which John "wants back."

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I'm betting John Dutton and Thomas Rainwater somehow put the ranch in a trust for Tate (who is 1/2 Native American) and the tribe, leaving it in Native American hands and out of the reach of Market Equities and Eminent Domain.

I think what John wants back from Morrow is the "Y" brand...similar to the tattoo that had to be taken back on Sons of Anarchy.

So, do any of you geniuses still think the barrel racers are part of some nefarious plot?

Also, saw an interview with Kelly Reilly about the show. Really strange to hear her speak with not only an a English accent but also sound so feminine. Made her acting chops even more apparent.

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So, do any of you geniuses still think the barrel racers are part of some nefarious plot?

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Yep. Just because they were ignored this episode doesn't remove them altogether.

Her accent slipped a little when talking to John in Sunday night's episode during a fairly long piece of dialogue but I agree she's pretty impressive with it.

I think she slips in every scene from sentence to sentence. Very distracting. At a minimum she's all over the regional map with it.

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'03ag said:

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I'm betting when she finally meets her boss we find out she was really buying puts on S&M. Or some other convoluted solution that actually makes them come out ahead. Drama! Since I'm guessing trying to short your own company in any way is probably a massive no no.

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What Beth is doing in many ways is illegal. The CEO of ME even said "once we get Beth fired, we should hire her"

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I'm not sure it is illegal. Both trades were definitely worthy of getting counsel involved, but I don't know if they crossed the line.

I think she's in the clear on the first short because she independently figured out that they didn't have the permits; short sellers do that sort of thing. The second one is sketchier, I don't know enough about the rules on that sort of deal to know if it fits into the standards for intentional manipulation.

The average viewer might think a state's use of eminent domain, for private development, might "casually" happen, but that is simply not the case. There have been precedents, but a rural state like Montana is likely the furthest from abusing eminent domain, for something like a resort.
A quick search had Montana relaxing power line/utility ED restrictions, but that is far from a mega-land grab for a resort.

Every session, the Texas Legislature tries (and somewhat succeeds) in increasing private property protection. And I hope they keep trying....

But who ever expected a TV drama to be factual ??

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Old RV Ag said:

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'03ag said:

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I'm betting when she finally meets her boss we find out she was really buying puts on S&M. Or some other convoluted solution that actually makes them come out ahead. Drama! Since I'm guessing trying to short your own company in any way is probably a massive no no.

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What Beth is doing in many ways is illegal. The CEO of ME even said "once we get Beth fired, we should hire her"

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I'm not sure it is illegal. Both trades were definitely worthy of getting counsel involved, but I don't know if they crossed the line.

I think she's in the clear on the first short because she independently figured out that they didn't have the permits; short sellers do that sort of thing. The second one is sketchier, I don't know enough about the rules on that sort of deal to know if it fits into the standards for intentional manipulation.

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Umm, she put out a news story that ME was trying a takeover of S&M to drive up cost of her own company (S&M) - not allowed! Also, trying to get the Indian lady and her friends to get in on the manipulation is a no no. Agree, the very first shorting was no problem and likely all other items up until this last episode. But, in this last episode, she was crossing over into illegal areas.

Old RV Ag said:

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Ulrich said:

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Old RV Ag said:

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'03ag said:

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I'm betting when she finally meets her boss we find out she was really buying puts on S&M. Or some other convoluted solution that actually makes them come out ahead. Drama! Since I'm guessing trying to short your own company in any way is probably a massive no no.

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What Beth is doing in many ways is illegal. The CEO of ME even said "once we get Beth fired, we should hire her"

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I'm not sure it is illegal. Both trades were definitely worthy of getting counsel involved, but I don't know if they crossed the line.

I think she's in the clear on the first short because she independently figured out that they didn't have the permits; short sellers do that sort of thing. The second one is sketchier, I don't know enough about the rules on that sort of deal to know if it fits into the standards for intentional manipulation.

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Umm, she put out a news story that ME was trying a takeover of S&M to drive up cost of her own company (S&M) - not allowed! Also, trying to get the Indian lady and her friends to get in on the manipulation is a no no. Agree, the very first shorting was no problem and likely all other items up until this last episode. But, in this last episode, she was crossing over into illegal areas.

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But ME was trying a takeover, so it was true. She didn't trade on the information or preferentially share the information, she released it to the public.

Agree that dropping the tip to what's-her-name was illegal, but also unprovable unless someone was listening to the call or the other lady rats her out (which will probably happen or at least be threatened, I bet she records every call with the Duttons).

Beth is all over the line on the second run-in, but I don't think there's anything there that she can't beat in court. Pending specific rules about trades that could generate momentum. For example, in certain kinds of stock buybacks you can't make purchases of your own stock unless the last price change was down - you can't create momentum that will make the algorithms jump in. I don't know if similar rules hold for trading other companies stock.

Can you explain this? I just forgot I guess what's his MO and involvement with Walker?

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EllisCoAg said:

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i am ignorant about stocks, can someone explain what is going on with Beth versus the Corporation folks who want to buy the property.

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Beth is essentially making bets that Market Equities (ME) stock price will fall (going short). For this, I'm kind of ignoring the details of the securities/transactions she's using.

The first move a couple episodes ago was to go short, then drop a press release that ME didn't have permits for this giant project that investors assumed they had. Bad news = stock falls = Beth makes lots of money.

The second move in the most recent episode was to do so much shorting that it looked like there was a run on ME stock. That's why she was doing a bunch of small transactions instead of one big transaction.

Then ME started a hostile takeover of Schwartz and Meyer (S&M) by buying up stock on the open market so they could make Beth stop (and probably get hold of certain land assets Beth had previously acquired).

They were desperate/clumsy, they bought so fast that Beth noticed the transaction volume. So she dropped another press release that ME was trying to buy S&M, which made a bunch of other investors flood into S&M stock and drive the price way up, much higher than ME wanted to pay.

So ME told everyone that they didn't want S&M and simultaneously dumped all their stock at once, which crushed S&M's market price. The large gain may have pushed ME stock up (especially if they let that rumor out into the market, which they would have). That would have made their price go up, so Beth probably lost a bunch of money on the second round of shorting.



All this is as best I can remember without rewatching. I believe she was actually buying puts rather than short selling, but the difference doesn't matter much in a cowboy soap opera.

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I know a little about trading options but no expert. However, I think this part of the show is way too complex for the viewer. Maybe I'm just dumb but I know none of my friends who watch this show have any idea what that stuff means.

They should have made a point for Beth to "explain" what she's doing to another character on the show.

Thanks for the breakdown by the way! I was pretty close to knowing what was happening.

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Can you explain this? I just forgot I guess what's his MO and involvement with Walker?

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Rip was in the truck to take Walker to the "train station" - thus, killing him. Kayce stopped Rip and said no that he (Kayce) would take him. There was a bit of tension but Rip relented and Kayce drove Walker. During the drive the two talked seriously about how ****ed up things were. When they got to the border, Walker had his knife out and at his side knowing and ready to defend himself. Kayce was tired of killing and didn't see a need to kill Walker. Walker promised to never talk about what he had seen and Kayce told him to stay far away for a while. But, Kayce told Walker he'd be welcomed back once Kayce had things under his full control and "things would be different." When Kayce returned he told Rip everything went as planned - thus Rip and Lloyd thought Walker was dead. And now Rip knows Kayce doesn't give a **** what Rip thinks.

Edit: always wonder if Rip knows Beth and Walker hooked up once.

Got it, thanks!

I'm still confused about the sniper/ raper guy.

How was the sniper there already? If they knew that's where the raper was going to take her why didn't they already know about all of the bones?

Dumbest story line of the show.

Old RV Ag said:

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Can you explain this? I just forgot I guess what's his MO and involvement with Walker?

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Edit: always wonder if Rip knows Beth and Walker hooked up once.

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He definitely suspects

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I'm still confused about the sniper/ raper guy.

How was the sniper there already?

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wasnt it a sting?

at least I thought it was until she asked if the car was fixed.

maybe they purposely broke the car in case the guy checked before she got in the truck

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Nagler said:

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I'm still confused about the sniper/ raper guy.

How was the sniper there already?

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wasnt it a sting?

at least I thought it was until she asked if the car was fixed.

maybe they purposely broke the car in case the guy checked before she got in the truck

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Yeah, I'm guessing they knew the guy was raping/murdering, but didn't know where he was doing it (I'm not sure the logistics on this, but I don't have any other explanation). Once he picked Monica up, Mo must have been following on his horse and got set up once they stopped and she ran across the field?

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Nagler said:

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I'm still confused about the sniper/ raper guy.

How was the sniper there already?

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wasnt it a sting?

at least I thought it was until she asked if the car was fixed.

maybe they purposely broke the car in case the guy checked before she got in the truck

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Yeah, I'm guessing they knew the guy was raping/murdering, but didn't know where he was doing it (I'm not sure the logistics on this, but I don't have any other explanation). Once he picked Monica up, Mo must have been following on his horse and got set up once they stopped and she ran across the field?

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horses don't run 65mph.

There's no explanation for how he was already there.

Yes, it was totally a bait process but the bait was to see who AND where..

If they knew where it was happening, then why in the hell would they have had the people blowing whistles with remains.

Just some stupid plot hole to keep things moving.

This show is not a documentary. Y'all need to remember that when watching

Not being a documentary is not an excuse for being lazy or assuming the audience is stupid.

I'm convinced a bunch of the men whining on here are the kind of guys that would complain about a blow job