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And frankly I believe it's fair game for this board and not just F16.

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Even I admit that the Holdo/Poe dynamic was one of the most eye-rolling and at times even infuriating examples of "Hollywood" taking this woke stuff too far. But instead of ranting and raving about "SJWs" and the "libs" or whatever, I've tried as best I can to calmly explain in why that dynamic bugs me, and have genuinely tried to understand Johnson's motivations, etc. Which is all I'm asking anyone else to do before "going off" on TLJ and similar situations.

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Think about the 4 main male characters in the Last Jedi and there interactions with the women.

Finn, a coward that needs Rose to convince him to stand up and do something
Poe, a hot head that needs purple Admiral to reel him in and teach him a lesson about what is "right"
Luke, a hermit that has abandoned the Force and needs Rey to convince him to do something.
Kylo, the actual bad guy whom I am still convinced will be redeemed in some manner by Rey in IX

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Man this thread turned.

Here let's get it back on track.

How would people feel if they had taken everything Holdo did and had then been Leia's arc. Would there have been the same backlash?

Poe would still have the same story and he would arguing Leia is over the hill. Would people still be as upset?

The only change I would make is instead of Mary Poppins Leia, they stuck with the original idea that the bridge started to explode and Leia held it together. Then during the hyperspace jump destroying the FO ships, imply she towed into the force to make the attack more powerful.

I think the biggest mistake Disney made was trying to have the original actors.

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No one was upset Haldo (Female) was in some authority position and Poe (male) couldn't handle it.
It's obvious in TFA and TLJ that Poe respects and admires Leia a great deal so that narrative just doesn't float.

People were upset b/c Haldo's character was TERRIBLE. She was poorly introduced, had zero back story at all, and generally sucked as a leader. It had absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman. If she'd been a man with purple hair, critics would be saying the same thing.

Hell, if she just tells Poe (you know, a leader) the plan, the hole Rose (another poorly written character) story never occurs and the Resistance is saved.

This whole "men/boys" can't accept women as leaders in SW is such bunk. No one complained one bit about Leah being a hero in 1977, or Mon Montha being the leader of the Rebellion in 1983 and there was a hell of a lot more misogyny 40-years ago then now. It's a crappy excuse to shout down legitimate criticism of a terrible movie.

IMO the SJW criticism of TLJ is really just more piling on a bad movie. If TLJ had been any where near ESB in terms of story, most would have ignored any SJW commentary and just enjoyed the movie.

I think TFA is a great SW movie for the first hour. New characters you like instantly, new bad guys you don't like, fun, action, comedy..etc. It does fall short with the recycled super weapon and Rey suddenly knowing how to use a lightsaber, but it was still a fun SW movie.

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That said, Hollywood didn't just one day decide, "Oh, hey, let's be even more woke" for the hell of it. It's a response to a culture they feel Trump is responsible for cultivating. And fair or not, he does nothing to quell their fears

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I think you might find others who think that the rise of Trump was a reaction to the culture the left in this country created. Trump ran for president before and failed, he didn't spring up overnight and instantly create this culture. His rise is a symptom of our consistently degrading culture, as are people on Hollywood's far left.

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Man this thread turned.

Here let's get it back on track.

How would people feel if they had taken everything Holdo did and had then been Leia's arc. Would there have been the same backlash?

Poe would still have the same story and he would arguing Leia is over the hill. Would people still be as upset?

The only change I would make is instead of Mary Poppins Leia, they stuck with the original idea that the bridge started to explode and Leia held it together. Then during the hyperspace jump destroying the FO ships, imply she towed into the force to make the attack more powerful.

I think the biggest mistake Disney made was trying to have the original actors.

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No one was upset Haldo (Female) was in some authority position and Poe (male) couldn't handle it.
It's obvious in TFA and TLJ that Poe respects and admires Leia a great deal so that narrative just doesn't float.

People were upset b/c Haldo's character was TERRIBLE. She was poorly introduced, had zero back story at all, and generally sucked as a leader. It had absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman. If she'd been a man with purple hair, critics would be saying the same thing.

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TCTTS said:

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That said, Hollywood didn't just one day decide, "Oh, hey, let's be even more woke" for the hell of it. It's a response to a culture they feel Trump is responsible for cultivating. And fair or not, he does nothing to quell their fears

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I think you might find others who think that the rise of Trump was a reaction to the culture the left in this country created. Trump ran for president before and failed, he didn't spring up overnight and instantly create this culture. His rise is a symptom of our consistently degrading culture, as are people on Hollywood's far left.

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We can play chicken or the egg all day long, for the entirety of this country's existence. And that's kind of the point. It's all a reaction to something that came before, and just keeps getting more and more ridiculous, in terms of rhetoric from both sides.

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YouBet said:

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Hello there.

Can we now talk about how most of you overrate the attractiveness of Daisy Ridley?

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YouBet said:

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Hello there.

Can we now talk about how most of you overrate the attractiveness of Daisy Ridley?

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PaulSimonsGhost said:

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YouBet said:

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Hello there.

Can we now talk about how most of you overrate the attractiveness of Daisy Ridley?

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Here's my theory.


Dude's like her because she looks attainable. She has an okay face and the body of a 12 year old girl.

Scarlett Johansson? Clearly out of most guys league. Olivia Mond? Amber Heard? Alexandra Anna Daddario (my favorite)?

Not
A
Chance

But Daisey Ridley? Yeah, I could see her playing clarinet in the high school band. Fairly attainable.


Alexandra Anna Daddario

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agracer said:

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Dekker_Lentz said:

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Man this thread turned.

Here let's get it back on track.

How would people feel if they had taken everything Holdo did and had then been Leia's arc. Would there have been the same backlash?

Poe would still have the same story and he would arguing Leia is over the hill. Would people still be as upset?

The only change I would make is instead of Mary Poppins Leia, they stuck with the original idea that the bridge started to explode and Leia held it together. Then during the hyperspace jump destroying the FO ships, imply she towed into the force to make the attack more powerful.

I think the biggest mistake Disney made was trying to have the original actors.

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No one was upset Haldo (Female) was in some authority position and Poe (male) couldn't handle it.
It's obvious in TFA and TLJ that Poe respects and admires Leia a great deal so that narrative just doesn't float.

People were upset b/c Haldo's character was TERRIBLE. She was poorly introduced, had zero back story at all, and generally sucked as a leader. It had absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman. If she'd been a man with purple hair, critics would be saying the same thing.

Hell, if she just tells Poe (you know, a leader) the plan, the hole Rose (another poorly written character) story never occurs and the Resistance is saved.

This whole "men/boys" can't accept women as leaders in SW is such bunk. No one complained one bit about Leah being a hero in 1977, or Mon Montha being the leader of the Rebellion in 1983 and there was a hell of a lot more misogyny 40-years ago then now. It's a crappy excuse to shout down legitimate criticism of a terrible movie.

IMO the SJW criticism of TLJ is really just more piling on a bad movie. If TLJ had been any where near ESB in terms of story, most would have ignored any SJW commentary and just enjoyed the movie.

I think TFA is a great SW movie for the first hour. New characters you like instantly, new bad guys you don't like, fun, action, comedy..etc. It does fall short with the recycled super weapon and Rey suddenly knowing how to use a lightsaber, but it was still a fun SW movie.

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Alexandra Anna Daddario

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wangus12 said:

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agracer said:

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Dekker_Lentz said:

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Man this thread turned.

Here let's get it back on track.

How would people feel if they had taken everything Holdo did and had then been Leia's arc. Would there have been the same backlash?

Poe would still have the same story and he would arguing Leia is over the hill. Would people still be as upset?

The only change I would make is instead of Mary Poppins Leia, they stuck with the original idea that the bridge started to explode and Leia held it together. Then during the hyperspace jump destroying the FO ships, imply she towed into the force to make the attack more powerful.

I think the biggest mistake Disney made was trying to have the original actors.

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No one was upset Haldo (Female) was in some authority position and Poe (male) couldn't handle it.
It's obvious in TFA and TLJ that Poe respects and admires Leia a great deal so that narrative just doesn't float.

People were upset b/c Haldo's character was TERRIBLE. She was poorly introduced, had zero back story at all, and generally sucked as a leader. It had absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman. If she'd been a man with purple hair, critics would be saying the same thing.

Hell, if she just tells Poe (you know, a leader) the plan, the hole Rose (another poorly written character) story never occurs and the Resistance is saved.

This whole "men/boys" can't accept women as leaders in SW is such bunk. No one complained one bit about Leah being a hero in 1977, or Mon Montha being the leader of the Rebellion in 1983 and there was a hell of a lot more misogyny 40-years ago then now. It's a crappy excuse to shout down legitimate criticism of a terrible movie.

IMO the SJW criticism of TLJ is really just more piling on a bad movie. If TLJ had been any where near ESB in terms of story, most would have ignored any SJW commentary and just enjoyed the movie.

I think TFA is a great SW movie for the first hour. New characters you like instantly, new bad guys you don't like, fun, action, comedy..etc. It does fall short with the recycled super weapon and Rey suddenly knowing how to use a lightsaber, but it was still a fun SW movie.

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If there is anything people should be mad about on this thread, it is this bold section. How the **** do you not know how to spell her name.

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wangus12 said:

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agracer said:

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Dekker_Lentz said:

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Man this thread turned.

Here let's get it back on track.

How would people feel if they had taken everything Holdo did and had then been Leia's arc. Would there have been the same backlash?

Poe would still have the same story and he would arguing Leia is over the hill. Would people still be as upset?

The only change I would make is instead of Mary Poppins Leia, they stuck with the original idea that the bridge started to explode and Leia held it together. Then during the hyperspace jump destroying the FO ships, imply she towed into the force to make the attack more powerful.

I think the biggest mistake Disney made was trying to have the original actors.

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No one was upset Haldo (Female) was in some authority position and Poe (male) couldn't handle it.
It's obvious in TFA and TLJ that Poe respects and admires Leia a great deal so that narrative just doesn't float.

People were upset b/c Haldo's character was TERRIBLE. She was poorly introduced, had zero back story at all, and generally sucked as a leader. It had absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman. If she'd been a man with purple hair, critics would be saying the same thing.

Hell, if she just tells Poe (you know, a leader) the plan, the hole Rose (another poorly written character) story never occurs and the Resistance is saved.

This whole "men/boys" can't accept women as leaders in SW is such bunk. No one complained one bit about Leah being a hero in 1977, or Mon Montha being the leader of the Rebellion in 1983 and there was a hell of a lot more misogyny 40-years ago then now. It's a crappy excuse to shout down legitimate criticism of a terrible movie.

IMO the SJW criticism of TLJ is really just more piling on a bad movie. If TLJ had been any where near ESB in terms of story, most would have ignored any SJW commentary and just enjoyed the movie.

I think TFA is a great SW movie for the first hour. New characters you like instantly, new bad guys you don't like, fun, action, comedy..etc. It does fall short with the recycled super weapon and Rey suddenly knowing how to use a lightsaber, but it was still a fun SW movie.

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If there is anything people should be mad about on this thread, it is this bold section. How the **** do you not know how to spell her name.

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CJS4715 said:

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PaulSimonsGhost said:

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Alexandra Anna Daddario

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So, the first time I remember seeing Daddario was when I took my nephew to see Percy Jackson. The whole time I remember thinking this chick is extremely hot, but then, her role was to play someone younger so I felt nervous/uncomfortable the whole time that I was going to find out she was 16 or something. I was relieved to later find out she was only a couple of years younger than me, so I'm not a total creep.

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