***Survivor 37 - David vs. Goliath***

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2:22p, 11/15/18
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From Probst's post-show interview with EW.com:

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My biggest takeaway from a tribal like this is, "we put the right people on this season!" THAT is how you play this game. People are playing to win and I love it. I truly believe the reason we haven't seen a resentful jury in years is because of the mutual admiration and respect that everyone has for how most everybody else plays the game. They all know this is a game of deception. The key is, I need to get you before you get me. The complication comes when we realize we could get further in the game by working together. Now we have a relationship and trust starts to develop and the game gets more difficult.
This is why Survivor will always outshine BB and others. Except for the "survival" aspect, they really are the same game. But the "bartender/IG model" casting of BB will never work in that regard. Folks are on BB to become famous, and the rest is just fluff. See Jess/Cody, Brenchel, etc. whose main goal is to win BB and then be on the Amazing Race. Or check out Tyler/Angela's Twitter sometime.
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In reply to Old Tom Morris • 6:05p, 11/15/18
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Tribal question- why did they split the votes if no one knew Davie had an idol. It did not seem like editing to me b/c of davie's speech and Christian / Nicks reactions. It was an incredible move that just didn't make sense to me.
I still chalk it up to creative editing where some knew more than the show let on, and it benefited them to not show their cards during tribal.
If it was creative editing then great job by the David's for acting, they sold it well and had a complete plan that was executed flawlessly.

Can't wait to see what happens next, I am completely engrossed in this season.
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 6:11p, 11/15/18
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Also, I wondered how the idol steal thing works. Does the user have to announce it, or can they do it in secret up in the voting spot?
The idol nullifier has to be played when you vote and it has to be assigned to a target (write your target on the parchment)

example - they decide to vote Mike out and Carl assigns the nullifier to Mike, any idol played for Mike will not count, no matter who plays the idol. Therefore, you don't have to split votes, just put the nullifier on your target and the votes will hit that target.
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6:28p, 11/15/18
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Do any of these powers work on the immunity they win in challenges?

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8:09p, 11/15/18
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That was a good tribal

Black dudes gonna swoop up Angelina next

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In reply to Counterpoint • 10:39p, 11/15/18
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Counterpoint said:
Do any of these powers work on the immunity they win in challenges?



No.
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12:58p, 11/16/18
Lotsa editing. Very well done, but Survivor experts like us know there was a bunch left out. No way those chain of events actually "just" happened.

Wifey and I try to tell what's going on beyond the editing. We both knew something was a foot and information to the audience was missing, but didn't figure it out.

Really fun show!
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In reply to Southlake • 1:16p, 11/16/18
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And that, IMO, is effective editing, when you KNOW it's happening but you can't tell what's been edited in or out.
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1:58p, 11/16/18
When it comes to gauging reactions at Tribal, it always pays to keep in mind that the actual tribal council typically lasts anywhere from 45-90 minutes. Beyond the opportunity to edit the lead up to tribal, tribal itself provides so much material and opportunity for the editing to shape the audience perception.
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10:24p, 11/16/18
Must be super interesting to find out how the editing works. Obviously, they back edit after the "Tribe has Spoken", but I wonder who makes the decision on how to play the audience?

Again cool stuff. Excellent job!
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10:39p, 11/16/18
It's a fine line. You cant really leave the audience out of the secret very often or it hurts the viewership experience and you get complaints that the show makes no sense.
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10:05a, 11/17/18
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Most of the time, it is set up where it looks like an obvious vote, so they play that up. Then towards the end the edit plays up another one to add suspense. I'm glad they do it, because I hate when it is predictable... which is uncommon thanks to the edit.
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11:40p, 11/17/18
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They did leave out the split vote to bring a suprise

I feel kinda cheated but it was well done
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12:09a, 11/21/18
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Dan should've seen the split vote coming and saved his idol. The most he could've done is move the vote from one Goliath to another. And he didn't even accomplish that. Aside from buying some loyalty from Angelina, who most (including Dan) don't seem to trust or like, he wasted it.
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 12:11a, 11/21/18
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MooreTrucker said:
cinag83 said:
I'm wondering why there is so little love for survivor but big brother ended up with like 100 pages? Anyway, looking forward to this one. I like Christian and Gabby.

I like Christian and I really love Gabby. She's the epitome of nerd cute.
This. There's something about her.
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In reply to double aught • 1:26a, 11/21/18
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Dan should've seen the split vote coming and saved his idol. The most he could've done is move the vote from one Goliath to another. And he didn't even accomplish that. Aside from buying some loyalty from Angelina, who most (including Dan) don't seem to trust or like, he wasted it.

That's easy to say in hindsight but I dont think it was "easy" to foresee the split vote, or their group of 7 would have gone with their own 4-3 split (so nobody in the group of 7 saw it coming). The thing is, at the moment he played it he knew 2 were being played and that there was a safe bet one or both of them would be re hidden and put back into play. Players who have previously found idols have a huge advantage in finding additional idols over players who have never found one finding their first one.
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In reply to expresswrittenconsent • 7:49a, 11/21/18
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That's a good point. And Dan doesn't seem to be the brightest. I just think that if you have hours and hours to think about scenarios, "If they play an idol, what does it most likely mean?" should pop in your head at some point.
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9:20a, 11/21/18
Agree, he doesnt seem super smart, and I doubt he was playing all scenarios out in his head.
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In reply to double aught • 12:36p, 11/21/18
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double aught said:
That's a good point. And Dan doesn't seem to be the brightest. I just think that if you have hours and hours to think about scenarios, "If they play an idol, what does it most likely mean?" should pop in your head at some point.
this, this, this, this, this

She had already begged him "if an idol is played on Christian you have to protect me." How TF does he not think about this and have a plan?

It's like I'm playing survivor with my brother's kids. That was his inner fat kid coming out just wanting to be liked, he is incapable of telling a female no IMO.
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10:26p, 11/21/18
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All the credit for correctly playing the idol nullifier, but to be honest, the nullifier is a stupid idea and a very gimmicky way to be kicked out. Dan was obviously going to be targeted often from here on out, but he should be given the same opportunity that Russell Hantz had, to outwork everyone in finding idols.

To be perfectly honest I'm not a fan of having 3 idols floating around for large chunks of the game. The game at its core is about sociology, politics, and environmental adversity. Playing all these advantages and multiple idols in a tribal council can be entertaining, but it has a certain cheapness about it. If the Goliaths have the fortitude to stick together while they had numbers, well then good for them. From a social experiment standpoint I don't like the producers essentially rigging the game for the David's. I'm sure though the producers knew from the start they wanted a David to win this season, in order to be some amazing underdog story they could play up at the end.
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In reply to Heisenberg01 • 12:17a, 11/22/18
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Heisenberg01 said:
All the credit for correctly playing the idol nullifier, but to be honest, the nullifier is a stupid idea and a very gimmicky way to be kicked out. Dan was obviously going to be targeted often from here on out, but he should be given the same opportunity that Russell Hantz had, to outwork everyone in finding idols.

To be perfectly honest I'm not a fan of having 3 idols floating around for large chunks of the game. The game at its core is about sociology, politics, and environmental adversity. Playing all these advantages and multiple idols in a tribal council can be entertaining, but it has a certain cheapness about it. If the Goliaths have the fortitude to stick together while they had numbers, well then good for them. From a social experiment standpoint I don't like the producers essentially rigging the game for the David's. I'm sure though the producers knew from the start they wanted a David to win this season, in order to be some amazing underdog story they could play up at the end.


Nullifier was dumb, but the last 2 weeks have been great. And it could have just as easily been the Goliath's who found the advantages and the David's would have been steamrolled. The game is evolving and the Goliath's are trying to play the old way (stick together strong) and are starting to lose. Advantages are very entertaining and part of how the game has evolved to keep people on edge - needing to think about different strategies.
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10:06p, 11/24/18
The game needs to keep viewership. Exile Island, extra idols, nullifies, etc, keep the game fresh and evolving. Imagine if the game was the same as year 1? We would have quit watching a long time ago.

Some innovation is good, some is bad - notice how Exile Island is rarely used any more, but the extra immunity idols are increasing.

Also, all the players are pretty much lifelong fans and know the game. Innovations make the game new for them too.

Great show.
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8:37p, 11/26/18
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The nullifier was given to David tribe because the way buffs were handed out for first tribe swap, guaranteing a David went to exile. It was a fresh twist that should go by the wayside now, but it will cause future players to wonder if it is out there.

These 2 episodes have been really fun and I think now we will finally see some cross tribe votes.
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9:08p, 11/26/18
Future twist ideas:

Give everyone a single "hidden" immunity idol at beginning of season and you have to figure out the right time to play it, no 2nd chances. IF everyone plays it at same time, draw rocks or do a double eviction next tribal. No one knows who plays their idol UNLESS they play it right and are saved (Jeff to announce after votes are read that person is safe) that way you have to guess who has an idol left when voting.

For one immunity challenge, do a challenge that is timed and everyone competes one at a time, as soon as you complete your attempt, you find out you have to cast your vote immediately, without knowing the outcome of event and without talking with your alliance.

After the merge, if you finish last in immunity then you lose your vote, maybe the immunity winner gets 2 votes as a bonus?

A chocolate and peanut butter shoutout season - trade an article of clothing for some food, girls only of course.

What else you got?
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In reply to Eso si, Que es • 10:02p, 11/26/18
Eso si, Que es said:
Future twist ideas:

Give everyone a single "hidden" immunity idol at beginning of season and you have to figure out the right time to play it, no 2nd chances. IF everyone plays it at same time, draw rocks or do a double eviction next tribal. No one knows who plays their idol UNLESS they play it right and are saved (Jeff to announce after votes are read that person is safe) that way you have to guess who has an idol left when voting.

Imo this makes no sense. But we had a recent final 6 tribal where like 5 advantages were played and the only person without one (cirie?) went home so your "pure chaos" season could possibly work. Sort of feels like an unrecoverable last step similar to doing a "celebrity season".
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For one immunity challenge, do a challenge that is timed and everyone competes one at a time, as soon as you complete your attempt, you find out you have to cast your vote immediately, without knowing the outcome of event and without talking with your alliance.
could work, but for TV I think you have them all competing side by side rather than 1 at a time. Big Brother does this but they air 100 hours per season vs 13-15hrs per season of survivor.
I like the immediate vote as a one off deal though. It would be fun and unexpected as a one time thing but overall too much good TV comes from tribal council to kill that drama regularly.

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After the merge, if you finish last in immunity then you lose your vote, maybe the immunity winner gets 2 votes as a bonus?

I like the idea of a punishment (or possibly an occasional reward) for finishing last. Dont like giving more power for winning - immunity is power enough IMO.

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A chocolate and peanut butter shoutout season - trade an article of clothing for some food, girls only of course.

You should check out naked and afraid. Or outdoor theme porn. Peanut Butter generally not involved. But depending on the episode, possibly lots of chocolate.
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8:38p, 11/28/18
I guess Advanced Negotiations at Yale skips the chapter on opening a negotiation with a lowball offer.
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8:47p, 11/28/18
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***Jeff gives them emergency rice because they're about to run out***

Carl: Let's cook half tonight!
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In reply to Heisenberg01 • 9:34p, 11/28/18
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Heisenberg01 said:
All the credit for correctly playing the idol nullifier, but to be honest, the nullifier is a stupid idea and a very gimmicky way to be kicked out. Dan was obviously going to be targeted often from here on out, but he should be given the same opportunity that Russell Hantz had, to outwork everyone in finding idols.

To be perfectly honest I'm not a fan of having 3 idols floating around for large chunks of the game. The game at its core is about sociology, politics, and environmental adversity. Playing all these advantages and multiple idols in a tribal council can be entertaining, but it has a certain cheapness about it. If the Goliaths have the fortitude to stick together while they had numbers, well then good for them. From a social experiment standpoint I don't like the producers essentially rigging the game for the David's. I'm sure though the producers knew from the start they wanted a David to win this season, in order to be some amazing underdog story they could play up at the end.
They don't care who wins, they want a good story to tell. The playing of those advantages as they did made a good, exciting story. They had no way of knowing that a David would find advantages, or that they would be smart enough to play them at the time and sequence that they did.
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10:04p, 11/28/18
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Gabby getting a big head looks like... way too early for her to try and turn on Christian.

Had no idea tonight was a double episode until we started watching around 8. Nice contrast between unanimous vote in first episode and total blindside in second. Interested to see nick and Christians conversation after that tribal.
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 7:10a, 11/29/18
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I like the immediate vote as a one off deal though. It would be fun and unexpected as a one time thing but overall too much good TV comes from tribal council to kill that drama regularly.
Have they ever had two votes in a tribal council? Vote, torch snuff, and SURPRISE, you have to vote again right now. Still have the fun and drama of tribal, plus the twist of the second immediate vote.
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In reply to bbattbq01 • 7:13a, 11/29/18
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bbattbq01 said:
Gabby getting a big head looks like... way too early for her to try and turn on Christian.

Had no idea tonight was a double episode until we started watching around 8. Nice contrast between unanimous vote in first episode and total blindside in second. Interested to see nick and Christians conversation after that tribal.
Agree. She and Alison and Angelina seem to be focused on making THE BIG MOVE. So far Angelina has survived and Alison has only talked about it, but this might cost Gabby. Does she know that C has an idol, or is Nick the only one he's told?
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 10:42a, 11/29/18
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I like the immediate vote as a one off deal though. It would be fun and unexpected as a one time thing but overall too much good TV comes from tribal council to kill that drama regularly.
Have they ever had two votes in a tribal council? Vote, torch snuff, and SURPRISE, you have to vote again right now. Still have the fun and drama of tribal, plus the twist of the second immediate vote.

I don't think so, because there has to be a chance to win immunity.
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 8:06p, 11/29/18
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HTownAg98 said:
MooreTrucker said:
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I like the immediate vote as a one off deal though. It would be fun and unexpected as a one time thing but overall too much good TV comes from tribal council to kill that drama regularly.
Have they ever had two votes in a tribal council? Vote, torch snuff, and SURPRISE, you have to vote again right now. Still have the fun and drama of tribal, plus the twist of the second immediate vote.

I don't think so, because there has to be a chance to win immunity.


If you can have an idol nullified you can have a double vote
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 2:06p, 11/30/18
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bbattbq01 said:
Gabby getting a big head looks like... way too early for her to try and turn on Christian.

Had no idea tonight was a double episode until we started watching around 8. Nice contrast between unanimous vote in first episode and total blindside in second. Interested to see nick and Christians conversation after that tribal.
Agree. She and Alison and Angelina seem to be focused on making THE BIG MOVE. So far Angelina has survived and Alison has only talked about it, but this might cost Gabby. Does she know that C has an idol, or is Nick the only one he's told?
Pretty sure that the David Beach party when Karl revealed his idol nullifier and Nick revealed his steal a vote, Christian revealed his HII to all the Davids. So if Gabby tries to do it, she knows it has to be a solid blindside.

I did not like Christian excluding Nick on the Karl vote and that may be enough to allow Gabby to pull the C blindside. I am assuming the Mason Dixon relationship was strained prior to the Karl vote, but it is definitely strained now. I just don't see any strong alliance left for Christian if Gabby is turning on him too, so his increasing threat status has put a shelf life on his game IMO.
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2:17p, 11/30/18
Christian hanging on that pole for 5 hours was epic.
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