How is that?C@LAg said:
So much irony in your reply.
No, it's over what makes a lick of logical sense.digital_ag said:
You might be a little too detached from reality.
Your criticism of my point isn't rooted in anything other than "I know what the character was thinking therefore I'm right".
Where have I once said they were all in range of arrows from archers? I've always been talking about being in range of the scorpions.smokeythebear said:Still trying to get caught up on the rest of the thread, but couldn't hold off anymore.Joseph Parrish said:Ghost91 said:
Tormund: "You weigh as much as two fleas %#$ing".
TexAgs: "OMG makes no sense, the volume mass and weight of the fleas would not increase simply based on greater kinetic energy, OMG lazy writing worst show in the history of shows".
Drogon in front of the castle was the same size on screen as he was from Tyrion's perspective when Rhaegal was shot down. Euron and his ships were way further away than the ship Tyrion was on. Be a sarcastic ass all you want, but it was a mistake on their part. It was almost as dumb as Dany trying to threaten Cersei with her tiny amount of troops.
And this explanation is as non-technical as it gets.
Raegal getting sniped while flying from a moving ship that they "couldn't see" was absurd. Yes, we all get that. The show writers probably pictured it more of a "surprise attack" and that Euron got the drop on them, but after special effects and everything, yes it looks pretty inconceivable. Oh well, we get the point.
But don't use that absurdity to validate a clearly strategic setup outside KL. Drogon was obviously staged far enough away to avoid the scorpions on the wall. This is VERY STANDARD ARMY PRESENTATION. You stand just far enough away from each other to avoid their long-range weapons. It doesn't make the show "better" if they put Drogon on top of a mountain a mile away. He's staged far enough back to indicate the risk of the scorpions, that's all we need. Tyrion approached the wall and when he got within the range of the archers, they nocked their arrows to indicate he was in range. Acting like Cersei could have effectively killed the Unsullied with arrows is disingenuous to pretty much all based level of medieval battle strategy.
cbr said:
Lets face it the series has been amazing but 8-4 was pure trash, there is no redeeming it, just hope its behind us or we will have the worst flameout ending to a great franchise in history.
Not willingly sent by her. One jumped out of the window, and another was poisoned (by means that the show never actually fully showed). To claim any of that was on Cersei is ridiculous (other than to claim that she raised a crappy kid who was worthy of poisoning).Ranger #007 said:
This is the woman who has lost all of her children and two of them were murdered by people taking revenge on her family and one who was willingly sent with her killers. She may not be a dumbass but she ain't flawless.
Agreed, 8-4 was when they finally took off the plot-armor and returned to the classic Game of Thrones where anyone and everyone is likely to be brutally murdered in front of your eyes.Champ Bailey said:cbr said:
Lets face it the series has been amazing but 8-4 was pure trash, there is no redeeming it, just hope its behind us or we will have the worst flameout ending to a great franchise in history.
Disagree. I thought 8-4 was classic GOT, and sets up the end of the series in dramatic fashion.
jtstanley4621 said:He seems fairly hands off, which I find interesting. If I were in his position, I would want to be involved at least to the point where the series gets the ending correct or it lines up with my books.Ranger #007 said:
So does GRRM have no input into the show? I know we've run out of source material but it's not like the man is dead. Surely he has some general notes and it seems like they'd go to him for some of these major events.
Unfortunately, we may never know if the ending from the show is the exact ending in the books....
Yep. Sansa playing some Littlefinger games, Tyrion and Varys scheming against Dany behind her back, Rhaegal and Missandei suddenly dead. All this was classic GOT, very good episode.Champ Bailey said:cbr said:
Lets face it the series has been amazing but 8-4 was pure trash, there is no redeeming it, just hope its behind us or we will have the worst flameout ending to a great franchise in history.
Disagree. I thought 8-4 was classic GOT, and sets up the end of the series in dramatic fashion.
Yes, I read your post and you didn't mention the distance as what was ridiculous at all (your argument was line of sight)...so don't try to act like you suddenly made that argument clear. I'm not a mind reader here. Read your own posts before you accuse me of not reading yours.smokeythebear said:
Did you even read my post? I'm saying the scorpions can't shoot that far. The scene of the scorpion hitting Rhaegal from so far away was an error, but you can't use that error to justify a different criticism. Drogon was clearly staged far enough away to be able to avoid the scorpions. If you are complaining about the distance, then complain about the distance Rhaegal to the ship Tyrion was on because we ALL agree that was absurd.
As to the army being close enough to the scorpions, yes I think the scorpions could have hit the unsullied, but one bolt wouldn't cause very much damage on the ground like that and two or three bolts would open up an opportunity for Drogon to attack while they reloaded. It would have been foolish to fire the scorpions at the unsullied.
PatAg said:No chancegigemJTH12 said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
Any chance Varys is going to try to rally the GC to Jon?
I think Varys is still working for Cersei
wife and i had that same conversation last night with the same takeaway. the wheel keeps spinning.Quote:
There isn't a single justification offered for why Targaryen Westeros is better than Lannister Westeros or Stark/Baratheon Westeros.
You mean other than time she blew up a holy temple and killed everyone in it?Quote:
There has been nothing in the shows or the books which suggests Cersei is a genocidal maniac.
She's power-hungry, but even her lust for power is based entirely around her Lannister identity. Power is simply the means to obtain prestige and security for her and her Lannister brood.
aTmAg said:Because if she was capable of doing that, Cersei wouldn't have gotten close to her in the first place. It's not that hard to understand. Cersei is not a dumbass.digital_ag said:Every 3 pages we get the same post: "You guys criticizing the show are just mad that what you expected to happen didn't happen."aTmAg said:Or, perhaps you are over generalizing. Apparently I am one of the ones "running interference for D&D" yet I have been criticizing them plenty.digital_ag said:bangobango said:
By far the more hostile posts are from people defending the show.
100%
Lots of people running interference for D&D. This thread might as well be on the politics board.
I made a casual observation last night about Missandei grabbing Cersei and jumping off the gate. I think you were even the person that chimed in "ackshually that couldn't have happen you people will complain about anything".
The lack of self-awareness is pretty astounding.
At least try to make your criticisms have some merit.
aTmAg said:Not willingly sent by her. One jumped out of the window, and another was poisoned (by means that the show never actually fully showed). To claim any of that was on Cersei is ridiculous (other than to claim that she raised a crappy kid who was worthy of poisoning).Ranger #007 said:
This is the woman who has lost all of her children and two of them were murdered by people taking revenge on her family and one who was willingly sent with her killers. She may not be a dumbass but she ain't flawless.
Champ Bailey said:cbr said:
Lets face it the series has been amazing but 8-4 was pure trash, there is no redeeming it, just hope its behind us or we will have the worst flameout ending to a great franchise in history.
Disagree. I thought 8-4 was classic GOT, and sets up the end of the series in dramatic fashion.
StringerBell said:
i mean if folks kept me in captivity and marched me down the street nude id probably want to kill them too.
I think it's just weird to say it is impossible.bobinator said:
This zapruder film breakdown of whether she could have grabbed Cersei is kind of weird to me.
bobinator said:You mean other than time she blew up a holy temple and killed everyone in it?Quote:
There has been nothing in the shows or the books which suggests Cersei is a genocidal maniac.
She's power-hungry, but even her lust for power is based entirely around her Lannister identity. Power is simply the means to obtain prestige and security for her and her Lannister brood.
Zombie Jon Snow said:aTmAg said:Because if she was capable of doing that, Cersei wouldn't have gotten close to her in the first place. It's not that hard to understand. Cersei is not a dumbass.digital_ag said:Every 3 pages we get the same post: "You guys criticizing the show are just mad that what you expected to happen didn't happen."aTmAg said:Or, perhaps you are over generalizing. Apparently I am one of the ones "running interference for D&D" yet I have been criticizing them plenty.digital_ag said:bangobango said:
By far the more hostile posts are from people defending the show.
100%
Lots of people running interference for D&D. This thread might as well be on the politics board.
I made a casual observation last night about Missandei grabbing Cersei and jumping off the gate. I think you were even the person that chimed in "ackshually that couldn't have happen you people will complain about anything".
The lack of self-awareness is pretty astounding.
At least try to make your criticisms have some merit.
You offer no proof of that except your opinion Cersei wouldn't get that close.... but the evidence does not support that.
I think she simply lacked the will to do that - too scared or maybe frozen in fear hoping for someone to save her - and she would have likely failed but I thought she might try it as well. It's not completely out left field. she isn't a warrior of course. I think it's easy to say she should have done it though - it was certain death - I would have.
We can see in these pics that
1. her wrists are shackled but her hands are free and her arms are not bound. She could have extended her arms for sure and grabbed with her hands.
2. her feet are not bound in any manner
3. Cersei is very much closer to her (from above you can see that) then anyone else and she could thus get to Cersei I think before anyone got to her (not that she could succeed in pulling her off necessarily but she could have reached her.
4. nobody has a weapon drawn until just before the execution - the Mountain is well behind her
5. Cersei moves just a turn and one step to reach Missandei - she was very close.
Here from above you can see how close she is
Here is her wrists shackled but no other restraint - this is also the angle of the shot when Cersei turns and takes one step before grabbing her arm. She was even closer then.
Here you can see no restraints on her legs - her entire body fell after alo indicating there was nothing binding her to the platform.
^HERE - she could have fallen to the platform and grabbed the flowing dress with lots of material and pulled as she slipped over the side hoping to pull her with her for example. they wouldn't even be able to get to her before she was close to going over.
