Well, there's the one with a big bomb on a train, and the one where he climbs around on a really tall building in Dubai, and .....that's all I got.

Yep. I'll be seeing this in IMAX.

Got tickets to see it one night early at the Drafthouse on July 25. Looking forward to it!

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Tap the brakes kemosabe. Avengers IW, Winter Soldier, Guardians are some insanely awesome films.

So it sounds like it's good.

My question is, is it standalone enough to see it without catching up on the last 2 or 3 first?

It seems like it's closely tied to at least the last entry.

But even if not, they're great movies that you should check out.

Oh I have all of them and plan to watch, just wondered about the timing of doing so befoe seeing this one. Sounds like it's MUST SEE in a real big screen theater.

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Oh I have all of them and plan to watch, just wondered about the timing of doing so befoe seeing this one. Sounds like it's MUST SEE in a real big screen theater.

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obviously i haven't seen it yet, but i'd suggest you at least watch the most recent one (rogue nation). that would give you the introduction to the characters played by rebecca ferguson, alec baldwin and sean harris, who all appear in fallout

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My question is, is it standalone enough to see it without catching up on the last 2 or 3 first?

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Echoing jackie childs, I'd say you absolutely have to at least see Rogue Nation beforehand. Fallout is a direct sequel to it in every way, far more so than the continuing stories/adventures of the first four movies. This is not only the first time in the franchise that the same writer/director has written/helmed two movies in a row, but the first time the director has also written period. In other words, Rogue Nation and Fallout appear to basically be one, long, five-hour movie written and directed by the same person (Christopher McQuarrie).

I've watched both Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation the past two nights, and while even those two movies are more connected than any previous installments, you could get a way without seeing Ghost Protocol (even though it's one of the best in the franchise). Without giving too much away, and trying to spoil as little as possible, the only connective tissue between them are as follows (also for those who simply need a refresher)...

• In Ghost Protocol, Simon Pegg's character (introduced in M:I3) has finally become a field agent, something that carries forward in Rogue Nation.
• In Ghost Protocol, Jeremy Renner's analyst/spy character is introduced and joins the team, something that is also carried forward in Rogue Nation.
• Ethan Hunt's "next mission" teased in the final moments of Ghost Protocol directly sets up the bad guy(s) for Rogue Nation.
• In Rogue Nation, Alec Baldwin's CIA character is introduced, arguing to dissolve the IMF into the CIA, because of the IMF's perceived recklessness. In the beginning of Rogue Nation, the climactic events of Ghost Protocol are referenced/shown by Baldwin's character, the first time events from a previous movie have directly affected the plot for the next.

As for the major connective tissue between Rogue Nation and Fallout...

• In Rogue Nation, an evil organization is officially introduced, one who's leader serves as the main villain for both Rogue Nation and Fallout.
• The best new character of the franchise - Ilsa Faust - is also introduced in Rogue Nation and again has a major role in Fallout.
• Alec Baldwin's CIA character from Rogue Nation also looks to have a key role in Rogue Nation as well.

Basically, you can think of the entire series - all the way through Fallout - as two "trilogies" of sorts...

• Each of M:I 1-3 very much stand alone, with M:I3 serving to "complete" the "trilogy" if that's all there was ever going to be. It "ends" with Hunt happily married and wraps things up in such a way to serve as a nice little bookend to the franchise, not knowing if the franchise would thrive past that 2006 installment.
• That said, M:I3 is also when Bad Robot took over producing duties and very much set the stage/vibe/blueprint for the movies to come, IF more movies were to come.
• From that point forward, once Paramount/Cruise decided to go all-in, again, Ghost Protocol, Rogue Nation, and Fallout became much more connected than the previous three movies. They each built off each other in ways the others hadn't, with Rogue Nation and Fallout in particular even becoming one, long movie by the same writer/director.
• Finally, each of the first three movies have numerical titles, where as the next three ditch the numbers and feature subtitles instead.

As someone else (Maybe TC) said, DC should hire Christopher McQuarrie stat if they're gonna keep going forward with Super Cavill.

Yeah, I mentioned that based on McQuarrie loving working with Cavill so much that he said he'd do a Superman movie with him. That said, that was a few months back and since then McQuarrie has seen how insane fanboys can be, in the way they've treated his buddy Rian Johnson, and a couple weeks ago took back his desire and vowed never to make a Star Wars or superhero movie, even though he said he always wanted to do both. That's how toxic fandom has become for some of these directors and I read an article just the other day saying how this could be a turning point, to where fewer and fewer great directors will want to be involved with some of these franchises because of how horrible a contingent of their fans have become.

That makes sense, although I think the Star Wars psychos are on another level. I haven't been impressed with the new trilogy and dislike TLJ more and more every day... but I don't think anyone can win with that franchise and the fanboys.


I do think DC as maligned as it is, can be fixed and a good movie exists somewhere. Although that would probably be best served by starting over... I'd just like to see a talented director that has a good style try and fix it. McQuarrie and Matthew Vaughn would be at the top of my list, and after this I would go all in on McQuarrie.


Edit: Also, I don't know what role he would be right for at this time. Or if he would be a lead or some kind of interesting side character or even a villain... but man I would LOVE to see Tom Cruise in the MCU.

Yeah, I hear you. I do think both the DC and Superman too can be salvaged with the right director(s), and it's not like anyone can do any worse than Snyder, or receive as much of a wrath from fans.

One of my business partners suggested Alfonso Cuaron (Gravity, Children of Men, and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban) for Superman and I thought that was an inspired idea. Really, Cuaron could do any DC movie, and has a great working relationship with WB. He has a small-budget film coming out later this year, and then, who knows, could be free after that.

As for Cruise, I'm sure you're aware, but he was attached to Iron Man for forever. It would have been such a different franchise with him at the center. Glad it ended up being Downey, though, and maybe there's a cool opportunity for Cruise somewhere in Phase Four.

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As for Cruise, I'm sure you're aware, but he was attached to Iron Man for forever. It would have been such a different franchise with him at the center. Glad it ended up being Downey, though, and maybe there's a cool opportunity for Cruise somewhere in Phase Four.

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I was just thinking about writing something up on this in the MCU thread. Obviously, Downey IS Tony Stark and it's arguably the greatest casting choice in history... But it's insane to think "what if?" had Cruise gotten the role.

There's no reason to think he and Marvel wouldn't have replicated the success they've had. And can you imagine how big he would be if he was Tony Stark on top of his already storied career?

If that were the case, then I think the whole "Who's the biggest movie star of all time?" question wouldn't even be a debate...


Also, Cuaron would be a great choice.

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Edit: Also, I don't know what role he would be right for at this time. Or if he would be a lead or some kind of interesting side character or even a villain... but man I would LOVE to see Tom Cruise in the MCU.

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the obvious choice would've been quicksilver because of his running.

but seriously, maybe put him in the Spidey-verse? he'd be a great norman osborn. or if you want a smaller role, can you imagine him as uncle ben in flashbacks with marissa tomei?

as long as it's nothing big enough to keep him from making more MI movies, i'm on board

I think he should just be Xenu in Guardians of the Galaxy 3

Full-on reviews are hitting now and this is insane...

Can't believe us regular folk still have to wait two weeks for this...

Man, the hype is really strong on this one.

I just started the marathon this weekend for this movie. I always enjoyed these movies, but I've never really considered it as one of my favorites; however, it truly seems to get better with time.

I'm a sucker for non-CGI true action and these movies have always delivered there. This hype is insane, I hope it can live up to it. It will be my first iMAX movie since Dunkirk. I hope this movie kills it and pushes more directors to start going back to stunt set pieces, rather than CGI, ala Christopher Nolan. We shall see...