I've been trying to avoid all the spoiler reviews because I haven't seen MoS yet but the average review seems to be, meh. A lot of " I didn't like it, but I didn't dislike it." I guess that will make more sense to me after I see it Thursday. I hope that I'm not as disappointed as some of the people on this thread, mainly because I'm a big Nolan fan and I've really been looking forward to this movie. And for the record I'm not much of a marvel fan.
*** Official MAN OF STEEL Reviews / Reactions / Discussion Thread ***
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Finally saw it this afternoon. Spent half-an-hour discussing the movie with friends after it was over, then went to a party where quite a few other friends had already seen it as well, and talked about it even more. I’ve been going over the movie with various people for a good part of the day, and I’ve ultimately come to this conclusion...
I didn’t particularly like Man of Steel.
I didn’t dislike it by any means - there was a lot to love - but on the whole, it just didn’t resonate with me like the great summer blockbusters do. And it had nothing to do with perceived plot holes or anything like that (I saw no glaring issues in that regard). Mostly, for me, what it boils down to is a number of head-scratching narrative decisions, ones that either set an odd tone early on, or continually nagged at me throughout.
I’ll do my best to address a few of them here...
*** SPOILERS ***
- The first time we see Clark don the cape, I really didn’t feel like he had “earned” the suit yet. And I don’t mean that in a needed-to-complete-more-tasks kind of way. Rather, it didn’t feel like he had earned the suit emotionally. I had anticipated the much-advertised walking-in-the-snow sequence to be far more triumphant than it was. To be something that felt more like an emergence from a cocoon - Clark now a changed man - after a life of heartache and wandering. And I’m sure that’s how it felt for him. But as an audience member, we weren’t quite there yet emotionally. We hadn’t seen him struggle enough. Further, the world just didn’t feel like it needed saving yet. Up to that point, I didn’t get the impression Earth needed Superman. Instead, Jor-El’s ghost just kind of presents Clark with the suit and says, “Go help these people, be an example,” but without any tangible motivation behind it. Yes - in general - the world could obviously use Superman’s help. But in that moment, it just felt so arbitrary. I needed more of an actual goal or reason for Clark to finally have been given his rightful inheritance in the form of the suit. When they first cut to that shot of Clark emerging from the Fortress/ship, cape billowing in the wind, I literally thought, “Wait, this is happening already? This is THAT moment?” It had almost zero emotional weight. It was such an odd, wet-fart of a beat that it kind of threw me off for the rest of the story. I loved the idea of him learning-as-he-goes - I definitely didn't want a fully-formed Superman emerging from the ship that first time - but I did want it to be more of a "moment."
And I feel like this could have been addressed with two fairly simple “fixes”:
1) Have Zod arrive on / threaten Earth just BEFORE Clark meets Jor-El’s ghost and gets the suit. Create more of a sense that we’re f*cked, and really in need of a savior now (one who doesn’t yet technically exist). I know Clark’s activation of the ship is what finally alerts Zod & co to Earth, but the filmmakers could have just as easily had the covert team who found the ship inadvertently activate it as well. Or just come up with a different way altogether of alerting Zod & co. Either way, it would have been so much more powerful to have Clark answer the call-to-action by finally becoming Superman AFTER Zod arrives. So Clark would have a specific thing to save the world from. Instead, Jor-El essentially says, “Go do what you can to help these people in a very vague, non-specific way - people who may or may not need your help” and THEN Zod just happens to show up right after that.
2) Show Jonathan Kent’s death BEFORE seeing Clark-as-Superman for the first time. If only to build more sympathy so the here’s-the-suit scene has more weight. Technically, when Clark meets Jor-El’s ghost for the first time, we don’t yet know Jonathan is dead. That flashback doesn’t happen ‘til Clark and Lois are at Jonathan’s gravestone once Clark returns to Smallville. When Clark is on the ship, Jonathan's death is obviously already assumed, and any Superman fan knows his death is essentially a given. But, strictly narratively speaking, wouldn’t the here’s-your-real-daddy / this-is-your-destiny scene be so much better at some point after we’ve seen Clark lose his Earth father? As an alien and an orphan, he loses probably THE most important person in his life, so why not make the Jor-El / suit reveal more of a “reward” for the audience - through Clark - after that loss? Instead, Jonathan’s death scene felt like an afterthought - a flashback kind of awkwardly shoved in almost as visual exposition.
- Which speaks to another issue I had, and that's the way the flashbacks were ultimately handled. In concept, I love the idea of seeing Clark’s childhood, Batman Begins-style. It’s a creative way of not having to cover all those moments in sequential, back-to-back order. Adult-Clark can be introduced earlier, we can get the main story rolling sooner, etc. But I thought the structure of the flashbacks - and the scenes surrounding the flashbacks - lacked the cohesive, story-building narrative of the way Begins did it. In Begins, the flashbacks have more of an arc - more of a build - to a specific point. Wayne loses his parents, ultimately seeks revenge on Chill, is robbed of the opportunity, confronts Falcone, then chooses to give his life over to crime in an attempt to understand the criminal mind. This is all intercut flawlessly with the present-day arc of Wayne leaving jail, joining the League of Shadows, training, and ultimately returning to Gotham. Each story builds with precise purpose, and the flashbacks essentially catch up with the “present-day” Wayne of the opening scene (movie opens with him in jail, flashbacks end with him getting arrested). Now, I know the Man of Steel version is far more strapped for time. I totally get that. But each “story” - adult-Clark wondering from Alaskan town to town, and the flashbacks of Clark coming to grips with his powers - were so thinly drawn in comparison that I never really got a true sense of the character in those scenes. What was it that made the present-day, town-hopping version of the character tick? There was no real character-driven story being told during this time. I wanted to see how Clark ultimately ended up in Alaska and what it was that ultimately drove him from Smallville. I didn’t need to see ALL the dots connected, but I did need a little more story during these scenes instead of only glimpses and the not-quite-cohesive sketches we were shown. Wayne had a purpose in leaving Gotham. And I get the point was that Clark, at that time in his life, had no purpose - he was simply saving people, trying not to get found-out, hiding out, etc. But something about the way they depicted that just didn’t completely gel for me in the way I think they intended. (Also, he just happened to be living that far up north, coincidentally that close to a 20,000-year-old ship also from his home planet? I thought for sure some kind of signal would at least lead him to the ship. But no - it was pure coincidence, which almost always = bad writing.)
- Ultimately, like the flashbacks, there were so many things I loved conceptually that I just didn’t feel were executed very well. Particularly, the idea of a more capable, in-the-field Lois was awesome. And I thought certain aspects of the character - and Adams’ performance - were great. But overall, she never really amounted to anything except someone continually in need of being caught. And the only reason she was kept involved in the final, climactic strategy was to stick a key into a hole. That’s it. Something literally anyone else could have done. And she couldn’t even get that right. Generic scientist guy had to step in and finally prove his existence by coming to the ingenious conclusion that a part of the ship needed to be twisted a few degrees.
- Smallville and Metropolis had almost no identity either. Metropolis, in particular, was incredibly generic. Granted, Metropolis can - and likely will be - explored more thoroughly in the sequel. But here, something about it just felt so bland and forgettable.
- I also wasn’t a huge fan of this particular brand of Zack Snyder CGI. It was inventive for sure. And definitely cool at times. But, overall, at least to me, the CGI too often came across as rubbery, overly-blurred and repetitive (as in, how many times did we need to see one of Zod’s ships blast off into the atmosphere and/or land?).
Anyway, I’ve criticized (more than) enough. I don’t want to keep harping on even more issues I’m sure many of you find trivial and non-important. There really was a lot to enjoy. I loved the whole concept of the codex, and how it not only gave Zod a legit goal (besides “revenge”), but how it also made Kal-El the key, literally, to it all. Everything about that conceit - from the way Kryptonians were engineered, to the way it all worked on a thematic level as well - was really well-executed, I thought. And despite the material he had to work with, Cavill, obviously, was fantastic. I’m absolutely looking forward to seeing him continue the role. Shannon was pretty great too, but I thought Antje Traue as Faora was just as affective. Really liked that character/performance. The score, unsurprisingly, was phenomenal as well. Among many other great moments throughout, the opening on Krypton was incredibly effective (if not a bit too dependent on CGI), and also helped set a truly epic tone this movie deserved. I also loved the quick scene of Superman first revealing himself to the military as he hovered above them. And the very last exchange between Lois and Clark was brilliant. A really great beat to end the movie on.
Though, what it really comes down to is that I just never felt anything. I didn’t particularly care about anyone, or anyone’s particular plight. The story was interesting, and well-excused at times, but never really “fun” or engaging or personal. I don’t mean this in some flippant, disrespectful way - because you could tell Snyder, Goyer and co truly put everything they had into this movie - but I really did feel more genuine, pure emotion watching that initial teaser trailer from last summer than I did for any moment in this movie. Granted, that’s become one of my all-time favorite teaser trailers, but it’s also sad knowing it was the very height of my emotional connection to this movie. May give it another shot here in the next few days and see if I feel differently, but I don't know that I will...
[This message has been edited by TCTTS (edited 6/16/2013 1:10p).]
I didn’t particularly like Man of Steel.
I didn’t dislike it by any means - there was a lot to love - but on the whole, it just didn’t resonate with me like the great summer blockbusters do. And it had nothing to do with perceived plot holes or anything like that (I saw no glaring issues in that regard). Mostly, for me, what it boils down to is a number of head-scratching narrative decisions, ones that either set an odd tone early on, or continually nagged at me throughout.
I’ll do my best to address a few of them here...
*** SPOILERS ***
- The first time we see Clark don the cape, I really didn’t feel like he had “earned” the suit yet. And I don’t mean that in a needed-to-complete-more-tasks kind of way. Rather, it didn’t feel like he had earned the suit emotionally. I had anticipated the much-advertised walking-in-the-snow sequence to be far more triumphant than it was. To be something that felt more like an emergence from a cocoon - Clark now a changed man - after a life of heartache and wandering. And I’m sure that’s how it felt for him. But as an audience member, we weren’t quite there yet emotionally. We hadn’t seen him struggle enough. Further, the world just didn’t feel like it needed saving yet. Up to that point, I didn’t get the impression Earth needed Superman. Instead, Jor-El’s ghost just kind of presents Clark with the suit and says, “Go help these people, be an example,” but without any tangible motivation behind it. Yes - in general - the world could obviously use Superman’s help. But in that moment, it just felt so arbitrary. I needed more of an actual goal or reason for Clark to finally have been given his rightful inheritance in the form of the suit. When they first cut to that shot of Clark emerging from the Fortress/ship, cape billowing in the wind, I literally thought, “Wait, this is happening already? This is THAT moment?” It had almost zero emotional weight. It was such an odd, wet-fart of a beat that it kind of threw me off for the rest of the story. I loved the idea of him learning-as-he-goes - I definitely didn't want a fully-formed Superman emerging from the ship that first time - but I did want it to be more of a "moment."
And I feel like this could have been addressed with two fairly simple “fixes”:
1) Have Zod arrive on / threaten Earth just BEFORE Clark meets Jor-El’s ghost and gets the suit. Create more of a sense that we’re f*cked, and really in need of a savior now (one who doesn’t yet technically exist). I know Clark’s activation of the ship is what finally alerts Zod & co to Earth, but the filmmakers could have just as easily had the covert team who found the ship inadvertently activate it as well. Or just come up with a different way altogether of alerting Zod & co. Either way, it would have been so much more powerful to have Clark answer the call-to-action by finally becoming Superman AFTER Zod arrives. So Clark would have a specific thing to save the world from. Instead, Jor-El essentially says, “Go do what you can to help these people in a very vague, non-specific way - people who may or may not need your help” and THEN Zod just happens to show up right after that.
2) Show Jonathan Kent’s death BEFORE seeing Clark-as-Superman for the first time. If only to build more sympathy so the here’s-the-suit scene has more weight. Technically, when Clark meets Jor-El’s ghost for the first time, we don’t yet know Jonathan is dead. That flashback doesn’t happen ‘til Clark and Lois are at Jonathan’s gravestone once Clark returns to Smallville. When Clark is on the ship, Jonathan's death is obviously already assumed, and any Superman fan knows his death is essentially a given. But, strictly narratively speaking, wouldn’t the here’s-your-real-daddy / this-is-your-destiny scene be so much better at some point after we’ve seen Clark lose his Earth father? As an alien and an orphan, he loses probably THE most important person in his life, so why not make the Jor-El / suit reveal more of a “reward” for the audience - through Clark - after that loss? Instead, Jonathan’s death scene felt like an afterthought - a flashback kind of awkwardly shoved in almost as visual exposition.
- Which speaks to another issue I had, and that's the way the flashbacks were ultimately handled. In concept, I love the idea of seeing Clark’s childhood, Batman Begins-style. It’s a creative way of not having to cover all those moments in sequential, back-to-back order. Adult-Clark can be introduced earlier, we can get the main story rolling sooner, etc. But I thought the structure of the flashbacks - and the scenes surrounding the flashbacks - lacked the cohesive, story-building narrative of the way Begins did it. In Begins, the flashbacks have more of an arc - more of a build - to a specific point. Wayne loses his parents, ultimately seeks revenge on Chill, is robbed of the opportunity, confronts Falcone, then chooses to give his life over to crime in an attempt to understand the criminal mind. This is all intercut flawlessly with the present-day arc of Wayne leaving jail, joining the League of Shadows, training, and ultimately returning to Gotham. Each story builds with precise purpose, and the flashbacks essentially catch up with the “present-day” Wayne of the opening scene (movie opens with him in jail, flashbacks end with him getting arrested). Now, I know the Man of Steel version is far more strapped for time. I totally get that. But each “story” - adult-Clark wondering from Alaskan town to town, and the flashbacks of Clark coming to grips with his powers - were so thinly drawn in comparison that I never really got a true sense of the character in those scenes. What was it that made the present-day, town-hopping version of the character tick? There was no real character-driven story being told during this time. I wanted to see how Clark ultimately ended up in Alaska and what it was that ultimately drove him from Smallville. I didn’t need to see ALL the dots connected, but I did need a little more story during these scenes instead of only glimpses and the not-quite-cohesive sketches we were shown. Wayne had a purpose in leaving Gotham. And I get the point was that Clark, at that time in his life, had no purpose - he was simply saving people, trying not to get found-out, hiding out, etc. But something about the way they depicted that just didn’t completely gel for me in the way I think they intended. (Also, he just happened to be living that far up north, coincidentally that close to a 20,000-year-old ship also from his home planet? I thought for sure some kind of signal would at least lead him to the ship. But no - it was pure coincidence, which almost always = bad writing.)
- Ultimately, like the flashbacks, there were so many things I loved conceptually that I just didn’t feel were executed very well. Particularly, the idea of a more capable, in-the-field Lois was awesome. And I thought certain aspects of the character - and Adams’ performance - were great. But overall, she never really amounted to anything except someone continually in need of being caught. And the only reason she was kept involved in the final, climactic strategy was to stick a key into a hole. That’s it. Something literally anyone else could have done. And she couldn’t even get that right. Generic scientist guy had to step in and finally prove his existence by coming to the ingenious conclusion that a part of the ship needed to be twisted a few degrees.
- Smallville and Metropolis had almost no identity either. Metropolis, in particular, was incredibly generic. Granted, Metropolis can - and likely will be - explored more thoroughly in the sequel. But here, something about it just felt so bland and forgettable.
- I also wasn’t a huge fan of this particular brand of Zack Snyder CGI. It was inventive for sure. And definitely cool at times. But, overall, at least to me, the CGI too often came across as rubbery, overly-blurred and repetitive (as in, how many times did we need to see one of Zod’s ships blast off into the atmosphere and/or land?).
Anyway, I’ve criticized (more than) enough. I don’t want to keep harping on even more issues I’m sure many of you find trivial and non-important. There really was a lot to enjoy. I loved the whole concept of the codex, and how it not only gave Zod a legit goal (besides “revenge”), but how it also made Kal-El the key, literally, to it all. Everything about that conceit - from the way Kryptonians were engineered, to the way it all worked on a thematic level as well - was really well-executed, I thought. And despite the material he had to work with, Cavill, obviously, was fantastic. I’m absolutely looking forward to seeing him continue the role. Shannon was pretty great too, but I thought Antje Traue as Faora was just as affective. Really liked that character/performance. The score, unsurprisingly, was phenomenal as well. Among many other great moments throughout, the opening on Krypton was incredibly effective (if not a bit too dependent on CGI), and also helped set a truly epic tone this movie deserved. I also loved the quick scene of Superman first revealing himself to the military as he hovered above them. And the very last exchange between Lois and Clark was brilliant. A really great beat to end the movie on.
Though, what it really comes down to is that I just never felt anything. I didn’t particularly care about anyone, or anyone’s particular plight. The story was interesting, and well-excused at times, but never really “fun” or engaging or personal. I don’t mean this in some flippant, disrespectful way - because you could tell Snyder, Goyer and co truly put everything they had into this movie - but I really did feel more genuine, pure emotion watching that initial teaser trailer from last summer than I did for any moment in this movie. Granted, that’s become one of my all-time favorite teaser trailers, but it’s also sad knowing it was the very height of my emotional connection to this movie. May give it another shot here in the next few days and see if I feel differently, but I don't know that I will...
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I thought it was pretty average. I'm not upset about spending the money but I don't think I want to see it again. I liked the flashbacks and would have liked more of those and some less time in Krypton at the beginning. I thought the fight scenes were terrible. I totally agree with the poster who said it seemed like a Transformer movie. It was just two sides flying into each other and smashing stuff. Very little use of his other powers. To me, Superman's delima has always been that he has to save innocent people even if it means letting the bad guy get away. This Superman didn't seem to care about collateral damage. Certainly tens of thousands died with every building he knocked over. I also didn't like the way Lois followed Clark into the ship at the beginning. She essentially went ice climbing without any equipment.
Lastly, not a major plot point, but I was annoyed the movie essentially encourages people to seek refuge under an over pass during a tornado. That is an absolute don't do unless you want to die.
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Lastly, not a major plot point, but I was annoyed the movie essentially encourages people to seek refuge under an over pass during a tornado. That is an absolute don't do unless you want to die.
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Thanks for the in depth review TCTTS! Your thoughts have been very much appreciated on this and the pre-release thread. I would recommend at least watching it one more time. I was a little unsure of what I thought after seeing it the first time I think mostly because everything seemed to happen so fast jumping from scene to scene. I enjoyed it from an entertainment standpoint, but wasn't really sure how much I enjoyed it. As I mentioned earlier, I went back to watch it with some family and loved it the 2nd time and felt more connected to the characters.
***SPOILERS***
There were things that bugged me like Jenny Olsen being trapped in a cage of rebar without either her or Perry White being crushed by debris (maybe that's the architect in me). The lack of build-up to revealing the suit (just as you mentioned) seemed like...well, there it is. I also was a little more focused on "wow, that suit looks pretty good for being 18,000 years old. I need to talk to Kryptonians about how to preserve my cloths!" I was also bothered by Zack Snyder's overuse of his "fast zoom-in" cinematography on nearly every spaceship scene.
***END SPOILER***
The 2nd viewing aloud me to accept some of those details and I found myself loving the movie. Everything seemed to flow better and have a stronger connection.
TomHaverford...seriously
Aggie94, I had to look up the definition of a "fanboy" to know whether I fall into this category:
I do not believe I fall into this category, but I guess there may be other variations of this "disorder" - fanboyism. Just for the record I DID NOT wear a cape to this movie (like a couple folks sitting in the row behind me).
If you have the time and were unsure exactly how you felt about the movie, go catch an early bird showing for about half price and I think you will come back enjoying it that much more...if not loving it.
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***SPOILERS***
There were things that bugged me like Jenny Olsen being trapped in a cage of rebar without either her or Perry White being crushed by debris (maybe that's the architect in me). The lack of build-up to revealing the suit (just as you mentioned) seemed like...well, there it is. I also was a little more focused on "wow, that suit looks pretty good for being 18,000 years old. I need to talk to Kryptonians about how to preserve my cloths!" I was also bothered by Zack Snyder's overuse of his "fast zoom-in" cinematography on nearly every spaceship scene.
***END SPOILER***
The 2nd viewing aloud me to accept some of those details and I found myself loving the movie. Everything seemed to flow better and have a stronger connection.
TomHaverford...seriously
Aggie94, I had to look up the definition of a "fanboy" to know whether I fall into this category:
quote:
fanboyism
The collective outlook and behavior of a group of people concerning a subject (movies, games, hardware, comic book characters, etc.) which when challenged results in an antagonistic, passionate, and unreasoned response.
Rampant Fanboyism can be found on most internet message boards when such hot button subjects are discussed. You know a fanboy when you see one.
Example:
Fanboy 1: "Stupid people didn't get this movie"
Fanboy 2: "If you didn't like the movie, you should'nt come here and trash it."
Fanboy 3: It's unrealistic because.....___(fill in the blank about how this movie about flying superheroes is unrealistic.___"
I do not believe I fall into this category, but I guess there may be other variations of this "disorder" - fanboyism. Just for the record I DID NOT wear a cape to this movie (like a couple folks sitting in the row behind me).
If you have the time and were unsure exactly how you felt about the movie, go catch an early bird showing for about half price and I think you will come back enjoying it that much more...if not loving it.
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I went back to watch it with some family and loved it
That's the way I felt about TDKR
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Anyone else care to take my picture with a Nikon at IHOP
... while watching a 7-11 being destroyed?
The product placement didn't bother me. I enjoyed some of the attention to detail. The flashbacks to high school where Clark was being bullied again and his old tormentor whose life he saved on the bus gave him a hand up: the guys were wearing jackets with SHS on the front. That was a nice little touch of detail.
Also got a laugh out of Superman and Zod at the construction site knocking over the Accident Free Days sign.
I watched it yesterday on 2D IMAX and really enjoyed it. I also enjoyed it more than The Avengers. I don't care what The ratings are on rotten tomatoes I thought Man of Steel was way better.
I do agree with TCTTS about the scene when superman steps out wearing the suit for the first time. I was expecting a more emotional punch from that scene and I didn't get it.
TCTTS, you mentioned Clark working up at the site where the ship was buried by coincidence, didn't he over hear the two military guys talking about the site when he was working in the bar? Or do I remember that incorrectly.
I do agree with TCTTS about the scene when superman steps out wearing the suit for the first time. I was expecting a more emotional punch from that scene and I didn't get it.
TCTTS, you mentioned Clark working up at the site where the ship was buried by coincidence, didn't he over hear the two military guys talking about the site when he was working in the bar? Or do I remember that incorrectly.
That's correct oglaw, but I think TCTTS was merely pointing out that it was by chance and he happen to be in the right area.
After some time thinking about it, I think I enjoyed it more than the avengers as well. But then I always kind of thought avengers was overrated. Good, but not "oh my god" good.
i also got the impression he was pretty much exposed as Clark Kent.
from my count Lois Lane knew it (and knew Kent and Superman were one and the same at the end), the people of Smallville knew it, and the United States government knew it. thats not exactly keeping your identity a secret.
the more i think about it, the more i dislike the picture.
from my count Lois Lane knew it (and knew Kent and Superman were one and the same at the end), the people of Smallville knew it, and the United States government knew it. thats not exactly keeping your identity a secret.
the more i think about it, the more i dislike the picture.
and btw..not that i needed it...but i'm glad a guy like TCCTS was left disappointed too. makes me feel less crazy about not liking it.
I can understand some of the points made, and they are all fair. Regardless, I still enjoyed the movie.
Also, here is a box office report. Needless to say, it is doing well.
[url]http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/re-tooled-man-steel-soars-125m-and-strikes-blow-justice-league-97646[/url]
Also, here is a box office report. Needless to say, it is doing well.
[url]http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/re-tooled-man-steel-soars-125m-and-strikes-blow-justice-league-97646[/url]
I didn't care for the action sequences with Zod and Superman. It was pretty much two guys beating the **** out of each other for 40 minutes. At least in Avengers or "I am about to utter a curse word" Transformers, there were multiple people to follow during the major action sequences. Pretty much focusing on Superman and occasionally Lois on a plane got to be old for as long as that final set piece was.
Pretty much was rocking it up to that point though.
I do agree on the suit though, something nagged at me, and maybe that is because I watched Smallville and it took 10 seasons of stuff to eventually get the suit.
Pretty much was rocking it up to that point though.
I do agree on the suit though, something nagged at me, and maybe that is because I watched Smallville and it took 10 seasons of stuff to eventually get the suit.
Keegan, in regards to the army guys continuing to shoot:
I discussed this with the friend I saw the movie with. If you are a soldier trained with a firearm, for however long, to react to an enemy by shooting it, how would you handle this situation? You're watching these aliens dart all over the place, lift cars and trains and then BOOM, one is right in your grill! I have no issue thinking these trained soldier would react as trained and start shooting. What else are they going to do?
I discussed this with the friend I saw the movie with. If you are a soldier trained with a firearm, for however long, to react to an enemy by shooting it, how would you handle this situation? You're watching these aliens dart all over the place, lift cars and trains and then BOOM, one is right in your grill! I have no issue thinking these trained soldier would react as trained and start shooting. What else are they going to do?
My only real complaint was the previously stated drawn out fight in metropolis. So many destroyed buildings.
Also, after the drummed up ending with Zod trying to fry that family, and Superman's decision to stop him...did that family survive? They never showed them again, no showing of relief or thanks...I guess we are just too assume they lived...lol
The suddenness of the ending of that fight was a bit of a shock, but ultimately I liked it b/c otherwise it would have drawn on and on some more. Can't think of another way superman could have stopped Zod.
I enjoyed it, and due to not reading this thread prior to today, was honestly surprised at the 56 on RT.
Also, after the drummed up ending with Zod trying to fry that family, and Superman's decision to stop him...did that family survive? They never showed them again, no showing of relief or thanks...I guess we are just too assume they lived...lol
The suddenness of the ending of that fight was a bit of a shock, but ultimately I liked it b/c otherwise it would have drawn on and on some more. Can't think of another way superman could have stopped Zod.
I enjoyed it, and due to not reading this thread prior to today, was honestly surprised at the 56 on RT.
^^^It got an A- CinemaScore, though, according to the article above.
I very much agree with TCTTS about the scene where he dons the suit not being climactic enough, emotionally. That is the biggest reason I mentioned not really liking the flashback-style storytelling for Clark. It worked great for Batman Begins, but that doesn't mean it should be used for Superman as well. If the flashback scenes has been told linearly, I'm sure that scene would've resonated much better.
But that's my only major complaint. I for one thought the action scenes were fantastic. The Supes/Zod fight in the air felt epic to me, as it should.
And now that the origin story has been told, I can't wait to see what they've got in store for the second one. I'm sure Lex will be a major part of the film, but they have to bring in another villain for sure. Lex won't be enough anymore, especially if there's no kryptonite.
Anyone else think Fassbender would be a fantastic Lex Luthor?
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But that's my only major complaint. I for one thought the action scenes were fantastic. The Supes/Zod fight in the air felt epic to me, as it should.
And now that the origin story has been told, I can't wait to see what they've got in store for the second one. I'm sure Lex will be a major part of the film, but they have to bring in another villain for sure. Lex won't be enough anymore, especially if there's no kryptonite.
Anyone else think Fassbender would be a fantastic Lex Luthor?
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Anyone else catch the HBO premiere of The Dark Knight Rises last night? My biggest issue with Superman was the same for TDKR. They both had that same neutral, almost vanilla tone to the movie that made me not really care for any of the characters. And while I thought TDKR was the weakest of the three Batmans, I thought it still showed the difference between a great filmmaker in Nolan and an average one in Snyder.
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And now that the origin story has been told, I can't wait to see what they've got in store for the second one. I'm sure Lex will be a major part of the film, but they have to bring in another villain for sure. Lex won't be enough anymore, especially if there's no kryptonite.
Waiting for Kandor, the bottled city from Krypton. Should be especially interesting since the race's info is encoded in Superman's cells.
Saw it yesterday afternoon in regular IMAX. Overall not that bad of a movie but it won't win any Oscars for the dialogue or writing. I can think of worse ways to spend a summer Saturday afternoon.
***SPOILER ALERT***
If you are interested in reading the Man of Steel Prequel comic, just follow the link below. It answers some questions you may have had from the movie and opens the door to some potential spin-offs in the future.
http://imgur.com/a/mMCZm/embed
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If you are interested in reading the Man of Steel Prequel comic, just follow the link below. It answers some questions you may have had from the movie and opens the door to some potential spin-offs in the future.
http://imgur.com/a/mMCZm/embed
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Some of you must lead some real exciting lives, you went to a movie about Superman (or comic books in general) and critize the outrageous action scenes or writing?
What do you seriously expect from these films?
I thought the movie was excellent, and a well done new take on Superman. I will be interested to see if this leads in to a Justice League universe. There where several hints in the film.
What do you seriously expect from these films?
I thought the movie was excellent, and a well done new take on Superman. I will be interested to see if this leads in to a Justice League universe. There where several hints in the film.
Did anyone else really wish for a "if you build it, he will come" line during one of the costner Kansas scenes? Preferably using crowes voice over
Loved it. Better than the Avengers to me
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Did anyone else really wish for a "if you build it, he will come" line during one of the costner Kansas scenes? Preferably using crowes voice over
absolutely did get a field of dreams vibe during the corn field scenes
and a gladiator vibe during russel crowe's fight scene,, yes, i was entertained
also "this is madness!" this. is. krypton!
one more thing,, one of the shots of earth from orbit used this exact photo (link because it is large). i recognized it because it has been my desktop background for the past few months
http://fossweb.schoolspecialty.com/delegate/ssi-foss-ucm/Contribution%20Folders/FOSS/multimedia/Planetary_Science/binders/images/fullsize/iss007e10807.jpg
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Ha, seriously can't believe this...
Weeks ago, I had initially bought tickets to the 5:00 PM 2D screening yesterday at The ArcLight in Hollywood. A couple friends of mine ended up scheduling a BBQ starting at the same time, so a couple weeks ago I exchanged tickets for the 1:50 PM showing instead. Same day, same theater. As I've mentioned before, I have a couple friends who work at WB, and one of them works with Christopher Nolan and his wife Emma quite frequently, and knows them pretty well. Anyway, I JUST found out from this friend, who went with us to the 1:50 showing yesterday, that Chris and Emma were AT the 5:00 PM showing I had originally bought tickets for. And said she would have INTRODUCED US had we been in that showing.
Kicking myself right now...
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Weeks ago, I had initially bought tickets to the 5:00 PM 2D screening yesterday at The ArcLight in Hollywood. A couple friends of mine ended up scheduling a BBQ starting at the same time, so a couple weeks ago I exchanged tickets for the 1:50 PM showing instead. Same day, same theater. As I've mentioned before, I have a couple friends who work at WB, and one of them works with Christopher Nolan and his wife Emma quite frequently, and knows them pretty well. Anyway, I JUST found out from this friend, who went with us to the 1:50 showing yesterday, that Chris and Emma were AT the 5:00 PM showing I had originally bought tickets for. And said she would have INTRODUCED US had we been in that showing.
Kicking myself right now...
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Hope it was a good BBQ.
Ha, it was decent. Good catching up with a few old friends, but I would have obviously much rather been watching the movie with The Godfather.
Damn TC, that would have been awesome. Sorry you missed out but hopefully your paths will cross eventually.
It feels like every summer I have some almost-encounter with him (which couldn't sound more stalkerish, I know). Last summer, I won that TDKR/Chrysler commercial contest, he saw my spot, but didn't ultimately pick it (had he, I would have met him then). And summer 2010 was similar to this weekend in that I missed him at The ArcLight by a day (instead of just a few hours) for Inception. Interstellar comes out the weekend of my birthday in 2014. Seems fitting that should finally be it. Have already started pulling strings via my friend...
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to get this thread back on track...
really agree with this review. highlights a lot of the problems with the movie. and there were a lot
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62877
really agree with this review. highlights a lot of the problems with the movie. and there were a lot
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62877
Can I just get a simple yes or no..
Was it better than the last crappy superman movie?
Was it better than the last crappy superman movie?
Yes
Definitely yes.
thanks dudes. I'll go give it a shot
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