quote:As for NCAA eligibility, he is a junior, but I think he finished his degree and graduated.quote:MLB.com's draft tracker has Kent listed as a Senior... He is a Junior like the OP states, right?
And Kent in the 13th!
Good for him either way, hope both he and Logan stay.
A look ahead to the draft and roster for next year
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I wonder how much higher Kent would have gone if he were a senior (i.e. no leverage).
on the other hand...maybe it didn't make a difference: junior vs senior. But I'm surprised being left-handed (and really good this year) he lasted until the 13th round
on the other hand...maybe it didn't make a difference: junior vs senior. But I'm surprised being left-handed (and really good this year) he lasted until the 13th round
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The lawsuit portrays minor league players as members of the working poor, and that's backed up by data. Most earn between $3,000 and $7,500 for a five-month season.
Here is the article
These guys have to take jobs during the offseason just to support themselves. Oh, and they have to train hard during the offseason if they ever hope to make it above AA ball.
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I wonder how much higher Kent would have gone if he were a senior (i.e. no leverage).
on the other hand...maybe it didn't make a difference: junior vs senior. But I'm surprised being left-handed (and really good this year) he lasted until the 13th round
Agree, and while his slower stuff in the low to mid 80's was definitely the most effective, he was able to run it up to 90 here and there, with the occasional 91. I know it became almost fun to discuss how "slow" he threw, but the ability is there to still throw pretty hard when needed. Some more development, and he may be a guy who could consistently throw a fastball 89-92. His ability to command his off speed pitching, change arm angles, and hit spots is fantastic.
I really think Kent comes back. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders and wants to get into coaching...
Kent just drafted in the 13th round by the Redsox.
quote:Worked for Glavine & Maddux. Obviously those dudes are HOFs, but those guys frustrate hitters more than not catching up to a Randy Johnson 99mph heater. The Big Unit just overpowered hitters, Glavine & Maddux played mind games. Hopefully Kent can follow the same path eventually.quote:
I wonder how much higher Kent would have gone if he were a senior (i.e. no leverage).
on the other hand...maybe it didn't make a difference: junior vs senior. But I'm surprised being left-handed (and really good this year) he lasted until the 13th round
Agree, and while his slower stuff in the low to mid 80's was definitely the most effective, he was able to run it up to 90 here and there, with the occasional 91. I know it became almost fun to discuss how "slow" he threw, but the ability is there to still throw pretty hard when needed. Some more development, and he may be a guy who could consistently throw a fastball 89-92. His ability to command his off speed pitching, change arm angles, and hit spots is fantastic.
thru 400 picks now
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We could end up getting gutted by the draft.
Going to be an interesting 5 weeks.
Hopefully these guys will wise up to the myth of "going pro". Look at all of the facts and make the right decision. RC needs to help educate these guys. Minter and Long should absolutely go pro, but most of these other guys should make the smart choice and return.
80% of Round 14 was catchers and pitchers, but no Nau
quote:No proven position. And note that Taylor was listed at 3B. He could have been our best fielder at 3B. He made spectacular plays at SS but then would flub an easy one.
80% of Round 14 was catchers and pitchers, but no Nau
quote:You do realize a player who has graduated may decide to start his career outside baseball. The "right decision" may very well be to take a real world job.quote:
We could end up getting gutted by the draft.
Going to be an interesting 5 weeks.
Hopefully these guys will wise up to the myth of "going pro". Look at all of the facts and make the right decision. RC needs to help educate these guys. Minter and Long should absolutely go pro, but most of these other guys should make the smart choice and return.
On a side note to another point... the idea of an off-season job... what you really mean is Winter Ball.
Most of these players will go to the NW League for a short-season. From there, they will likely go to Winter Ball in the Carribean.
Are those salaries not all-inclusive, plus per-diem? Room and Board are provided. They are also on the road , so it all bad.
If you get say, $200K for signing... your net may be at $80-90K, then get $2K/mo plus room and board.
If they get a real job out of college, let's say $40K/yr, less taxes, bills, room, board, etc...
If they stay in college, they get what 60-75% scholarship... everything else they have to pay for.
So, the options are diverse, but let's not pretend staying in college at 60% scholarship is cheaper or better quality of living, than say... a real job or minors.
Kent going in the 13th is quite a bit higher than j thought he'd go. As someone else mentioned, he and Taylor are right on the fence. I feel pretty good about Vinson staying since he still hasn't gone and Stubby I'd say is almost guaranteed at this point.
"If you get say, $200K for signing... your net may be at $80-90K"
When did the tax rate go back to pre-Reagan years?
When did the tax rate go back to pre-Reagan years?
Really very little monetary reason to leave at this point. You have a chance to significantly increase it next year with not nearly that much downside risk.
Then your agent is also going to get a cut. The number dwindles quickly after just taxes and representation.
Agents take 3%
so you're looking at roughly 53-56% of a $250k signing bonus being taken away by standard deductions and agent cut.
Then you better pray you aren't being paid by a team in a state that has a state income tax on that signing bonus.
$250k signing bonus by a California team, and I'd assume you'd maybe see 95k of that.
Then you better pray you aren't being paid by a team in a state that has a state income tax on that signing bonus.
$250k signing bonus by a California team, and I'd assume you'd maybe see 95k of that.
Kent should probably leave. Doubt he improves his stock much by staying. He has already graduated.
I wish he would stay, but for him it is probably the smart decision to leave.
I wish he would stay, but for him it is probably the smart decision to leave.
I think those numbers are a little off. Most A ballers or lower are not playing winter ball, they may go work out in Arizona for basically no pay. Most are at home trying to make a little cash. Room and board is lucky if you are able to get a host family to help you out, otherwise it is 3-4 guys in a small room sharing expenses. $2000/month is pushing it for a new signee. Likely about 1100/month until out of A ball. Guys often get a little help if they are lucky to get a few appearance fees here or there.
per twitter, Logan Taylor is gone.
If he returned, and has a Carlson fuller type season?
He was only drafted this high because of the way he performed in the last month. I don't think Kent has the kind of stuff that would get him much higher even with a full season like he had the last month.
Again, I would prefer he come back for my own selfish reasons, but he is the only person outside of Minter and Long that should take the money and leave.
Again, I would prefer he come back for my own selfish reasons, but he is the only person outside of Minter and Long that should take the money and leave.
quote:I absolutely agree with everything Jeff has been saying regarding players drafted outside of the "big money" rounds. While a $100,000 - $150,000 signing bonus might seem like a ton of money to these kids, almost half of it is gone after accounting for taxes and agent fees. After factoring in annual living expenses, the remaining bonus money will be gone after a few years. I they decide to buy a car, which many do, then the bonus money is gone much sooner.quote:
We could end up getting gutted by the draft.
Going to be an interesting 5 weeks.
Hopefully these guys will wise up to the myth of "going pro". Look at all of the facts and make the right decision. RC needs to help educate these guys. Minter and Long should absolutely go pro, but most of these other guys should make the smart choice and return.
I really hope our coaches are sitting down with recruits and current players to breakdown the economics of signing bonuses/minor league salaries/etc. Many (probably most) minor league players who do not receive a large signing bonus are living below the poverty line and working second jobs in the offseason to supplement their income.
For most of these guys, the better "business decision" is to choose/stay in college.
EDIT... Sorry to sound redundant of some of the previous posts. I started typing this then stepped away from my computer... appears a lot of discussion on this topic occurred while I was away.
Kent was only 9-1 this year with a 2.76 era. I think it would be hard to improve on that, especially when it looks like we may be in a rebuilding year.
I would be surprised if many of these later picks were getting 100K signing bonuses. The chance to keep playing and make it to the show are what drives them to sign.
I would be surprised if many of these later picks were getting 100K signing bonuses. The chance to keep playing and make it to the show are what drives them to sign.
You guys realize that seniors don't get market value right? Unless Taylor has a senior year that catapults him into the first round, he's not getting anything. Allemand will probably get a signing bonus somewhere between $20-$50k despite the fact that the junior taken right before or after him is pocketing around $350k.
Every situation is different, and I agree that these guys need to look at the pros and cons and really put some thought into this, whereas most of them have already made up their minds before the draft... But again, I think you guys would be surprised at how many of these guys just want to be professionals.
Every situation is different, and I agree that these guys need to look at the pros and cons and really put some thought into this, whereas most of them have already made up their minds before the draft... But again, I think you guys would be surprised at how many of these guys just want to be professionals.
quote:Definitely a valid point. And I surely agree that every situation is different. Some of these guys just want to start their pro career as soon as possible whether it makes financial sense or not.
You guys realize that seniors don't get market value right? Unless Taylor has a senior year that catapults him into the first round, he's not getting anything. Allemand will probably get a signing bonus somewhere between $20-$50k despite the fact that the junior taken right before or after him is pocketing around $350k.
Every situation is different, and I agree that these guys need to look at the pros and cons and really put some thought into this, whereas most of them have already made up their minds before the draft... But again, I think you guys would be surprised at how many of these guys just want to be professionals.
My concern is that so many people look at a $100 - $200 K signing bonus and say, "It would be foolish to turn down that kind of money." However, when looking at the math, it's often the better decision to turn it down. I just hope our coaches are educating recruits/players on some of these issues when discussing options to choose/stay in college.
quote:It was a conservative estimate to say, you will take home at least that amount. 2-3 years Net of an ordinary job.
"If you get say, $200K for signing... your net may be at $80-90K"
When did the tax rate go back to pre-Reagan years?
Filing Single, on $200,000
46,207 Federal Income Tax
7,347 SS
2,900 Medicare
15,693 California State Income Tax (Highest state income tax, I believe)
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$72K, leaving $130K
4% Agent fee?
Union Dues?
Retirement Dues?
Surely it is more than $120K that gets netted.
My point wasn't to show how little they take home, but to draw a line and say, worst case... you'll pull this.
We are now at round 23, up in the 670's.
Hoping that we are pretty close to safely being able to assume anyone not drafted at this point is going to return.
I guess if there's one other guy who hasn't been drafted that I'd worry about, it'd be Vinson. But even that perceived concern may not be one at all.
Hoping that we are pretty close to safely being able to assume anyone not drafted at this point is going to return.
I guess if there's one other guy who hasn't been drafted that I'd worry about, it'd be Vinson. But even that perceived concern may not be one at all.
Anything is possible with MLB money. Brewers selected Turner Larkins in the 28th round last year and then tried to entice him into signing by offering a million dollars.
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Anything is possible with MLB money. Brewers selected Turner Larkins in the 28th round last year and then tried to entice him into signing by offering a million dollars.
True. I guess it's kind of weird with the numbers now. Once teams figure out how much they have left over from the top rounds pool, they can get more creative with lower round guys.
We're in the 26th round now and no Stubblefield eh? Interesting.
baseball has partial scholarships so these guys are not leaving a lot of $ on the table by signing for a pro signing bonus. Also many can negotiate for the MLB club to commit to paying for their remaining college if they wash out of pro ball.
Stubblefield was drafted by the Phillies in the 28th round
Horace Stubblefield, that is.
Horace Stubblefield, that is.
Given stubb is just a soph and coming off injury is probably why teams are staying away.. Not likely to sign.
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