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Is "wins in Omaha" a stat people keep?

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It is when folks are looking for reasons to fire a more than solid baseball coach.

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Shouldn't a "more than solid baseball coach" at Texas A&M have at least 1 win in Omaha in a decade?

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Since 2006, when RC was hired, these schools have multiple trips to Omaha:

Arizona
Arizona St.
Arkansas
Fullerton
Clemson
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Louisville
LSU
Miami
Miss St.
North Carolina
Oregon St.
Rice
South Carolina
TCU
t.u.
UCLA
Vandy
Virginia

Is there ANYONE on that list (other than maybe LSU, Miami, and FSU) that we should not be averaging at least as good of a ratio of seasons/Omaha trips?

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Arizona has not made multiple trips during RC tenure, they did win the CWS in 2012 but most of the others seasons would have folk's here calling for the coaches job.

Clemson has but one of those was in RC's first season and the A&M program was hardly purring along when he was hired.

Both of Georgia's appearances were also early in RC's tenure and the Dawgs have only made postseason play twice since their last appearance in Omaha in '08.

Rice has not been to Omaha since the '08 seasib, again very early in RC's tenure. Uncle Wayne is a remarkable baseball coach and Rice is a very good and not overly expensive private school. I can certainly see how they are able to draw talent.

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It is when folks are looking for reasons to fire a more than solid baseball coach.

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Maybe he should.

Nine straight NCAA postseason appearances
1 trip to Omaha (0 wins), certainly disappointing
3 other trips to the the super regional round
5 regional host (0 National Seeds although '11 & '15 teams had legitimate resumes for one and based upon the Conference Championship criteria touted by this year's selection committee, so did the '08 team).
Of the five season the Aggies did not advance to the supers, three of those they were the last team eliminate in the regional round. In none of those regional appearance were the Aggies 2 and done.

Now that might not be a great postseason record, but it is not brutal either. I think it is enough to rank RC as a "more than solid baseball" coach. Now I have no problem with folks believing A&M should have something better, I just do not believe in labeling good to very good results as "mediocre" or "substandard."

In basketball terms we think we are Kentucky when in reality we are gonzaga.

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In basketball terms we think we are Kentucky when in reality we are gonzaga.

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We should be a whole lot closer to Kentucky than Gonzaga.

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Is "wins in Omaha" a stat people keep?

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It is when folks are looking for reasons to fire a more than solid baseball coach.

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Maybe he should.

Nine straight NCAA postseason appearances
1 trip to Omaha (0 wins), certainly disappointing
3 other trips to the the super regional round
5 regional host (0 National Seeds although '11 & '15 teams had legitimate resumes for one and based upon the Conference Championship criteria touted by this year's selection committee, so did the '08 team).
Of the five season the Aggies did not advance to the supers, three of those they were the last team eliminate in the regional round. In none of those regional appearance were the Aggies 2 and done.

Now that might not be a great postseason record, but it is not brutal either. I think it is enough to rank RC as a "more than solid baseball" coach. Now I have no problem with folks believing A&M should have something better, I just do not believe in labeling good to very good results as "mediocre" or "substandard."

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No maybe about it. He absolutely should.

I think my biggest problem with him isn't just his post season results, it's the fact we seem to play scared, no adjustments are made, and we never seem to be able to score runs when we need to.

However, what really pisses me off, admittedly more than it probably should, is that we have been eliminated by an in state program in 5 of the 9 post seasons we've been in under his watch. One other time at a regional hosted by TCU. The last two seasons by teams from the conference we left, once by the team we left the conference largely because of and once by the team that took our spot. That makes us look bad. Be it Rice, TCU, or the sips, these teams all seem to play with the attitude of "no way are we losing to the Aggies" while we just don't seem to have that killer's edge to us and seem to play a lot more tight and scared.

Our post seasons are going to continue to involve going through TX teams, and I have a hard time seeing our post season results against them changing.

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No maybe about it. He absolutely should.

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Here is my reason for stating the zero wins in Omaha is a garbage argument. Would your opinion of RC be any better, with everything else being equal, if the Aggies got a win or two in the '11 CWS?

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No maybe about it. He absolutely should.

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Here is my reason for stating the zero wins in Omaha is a garbage argument. Would your opinion of RC be any better, with everything else being equal, if the Aggies got a win or two in the '11 CWS?

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"Zero wins in Omaha is a garbage argument"

In an entire decade. With one appearance there. Just sound that out in your head. "Zero wins in Omaha is a garage argument". After a decade as HC at Texas A&M. How can that be a garbage argument? I'll agree with you that it doesn't tell the whole story, but it's not by any stretch a garbage argument. It may be a selective one, but with one trip there that went 0-2, in an entire decade, I think it's no more a garbage argument than stating RC has proven he can get us to Omaha. If you're trying to tell us RC has proven he can get us a national seed because he's had teams worthy of one but hasn't got one, how can you dismiss the zero wins in Omaha argument?

Again, read my previous post. The zero wins in Omaha is not my big problem with him. If we had made it there 3 times and gone 0-2 each time, my opinion of him would be better than 1 trip there with two wins.

In order to get to Omaha, we are going to have to go through a very good team in the Regional or Super Regional round, or both, that are from TX. Those teams always want to beat us REALLY bad, ESPECIALLY teams from the big 12. We just don't seem to match their desire not to lose to us. Our post seasons have been ended in 2007, 08, 12, 14, and 15 by TX teams.

I just think we know what we have with him and thinking something is going to change with him certainly isn't going to happen under the current AD even if it might when we get a new one that's not so passive.

To be fair, we have the most difficulty playing when there is a different set of rules for our offense than theirs...

We're not gonna fire a coach that just took a team to the supers. That's understandable

But Aggies making excuses for the program's absence from the list of elite programs is nauseating.

- who would come here if we fire a coach like Childress?
- we've never been great so why expect it now?
- SEC is a tough, mean conference
- who is your home run hire?
- baseball scholarship allotment is complex
- local kids may want to get away from home
- expectations are unreasonable
- umps f***ed us
- the draft
- 9 straight regional
- next coach could be worse, better play it safe

Did I miss any?

Such a loser mentality

Injury
Umps
Empty seats
Inadequate facilities

instead of looking for excuses why we can't be great, we need a mindset that looks for ways to get it done

And when someone can't get it done, find someone that can

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We try.

They keep sending ****ty umpires.

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In an entire decade. With one appearance there. Just sound that out in your head.

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And this is the argument you should be making, not the whole zero wins in Omaha especially if you would really be OK with a couple of appearances with the team going 0-2.

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Not an excuse but if you start this trend of firing a coaches for not getting a program to elite status, how often can you go this route before coaches shy away from a program. The calls for RC's job are not recent, they started four to five years into his tenure. I guess we should expect the same for Sumlin soon if he does not at least have the Aggies in the discussion of being in the playoff late in the year. C'mon if Baylor and TCU are there why shouldn't the Aggies?

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Never said this, don't even recall this argument being made.

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Seen this more as an argument to get rid of RC then to keep him, in other words, the SEC is a tough mean conference and RC is not up to the task of competing within such a conference.

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Not an excuse but certainly a legitimate question. If you believe RC can't get the job done, I think it is fair to ask who you would like to come here. When this question was brought up several times last season, I founded it amusing that the loudest pot bangers (including yourself) wouldn't play while those that might be perceived as RC supporters tended to have a list of coaches.

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Not an excuse. All college coaches have to juggle this but it does offer an explanation why players might be offered a rather low amount if they play a position that is not a pressing need at the moment. For example I have a feeling Barash received a higher then usual offer to come to A&M taking away from what could be offered elsewhere. Certain schools like LSU have an advantage due to state laws that give out academic scholarships to all instate kids that meet a certain requirement. This certainly frees up scholarship room for out of state players.

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This is solely a response to those who harp on why all these local kids are going somewhere else to play. It is not as if local talent never makes it way to A&M. Quite frankly I don't think RC has enough scholly room to offer all the local kids he is suppose to bring to Olsen. When I asked about the progress of those who went to other schools, one and only one, Riley Ferrell (TCU), was a major factor for another D1 program. We will have to see how the most recent batch that RC has let go elsewhere pan out.

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I never used this, Ags have been hurt by bad calls and have benefited by them. I would be happy if Yeast was never mentioned on this board again.

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I never used this, all schools at a high level have to deal with the same issues.

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There are not many programs out there that can say that. Again, it is not an excuse, it shows that the program is in pretty good shape, maybe just shy of elite. If the Ags were only just making the field most of those 9 seasons it would not be a strong argument but that simply has not been the case.

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This is more or less part of the first "excuse" you presented. I never said play it safe but you certainly could throw away an awfully good coach in hopes of finding the one that will get you to the promise land. How many times are you willing to play this game.?

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why do aggies get so worked up when someone speaks the truth? lol

you guys need to realize its college baseball in college station. the team will maybe get lucky with a few good guys every 10 years, but will ultimately fall short.


college station is just at a disadvantage and always will be. no coach or AD will be able to change this.

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Truly one of the dumbest posts I've ever read in the history of TexAgs. Not only is this not factual and can be refuted with multiple great teams with MLB talent that played at A&M, but this is not College Station circa 1985. Austin appeals to a lot of recruits, no doubt. But believe it or not there are a lot of kids that want to play and go to school in a college town and not a big city.

LSU fired Smoke Laval. He had them in the post season regularly. Didn't turn out bad for them.

Florida fired Andy Lopez. Didn't turn out bad for them.

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This team was snake bit from the start. Losing our top 2 arms...just bad luck. For those of you advocating firing RC, who do yall suggest we get? He's a great coach at recruiting, developing and motivating. He does make some questionable calls during games, but the man can coach baseball. I couldn't be happier with RC. Classy man and a great ambassador for our university. Despite Hyman's ineptness.

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Are you kidding? I can name at least 10 coaches right now I'd offer the highest salary in the nation to come coach at A&M. Why should we settle for less? Rob is a solid coach (much like MJ) but he's never going to win at an elite level (multiple trips to Omaha). A&M has a near perfect environment for being elite (facilities, weather, talent, school, etc.) so there is no excuse. As Hop has pointed out as well, baseball should be held to a much higher standard than other programs at A&M because of all the built-in advantages. It should be the easiest sport for us to win at a high level.

It makes me sad that we have a significant percentage of our fan base that is "happy" with just making the postseason and having a "classy" coach. We should aspire to be more than just slightly above average. We should be competing for and winning national championships.

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LSU fired Smoke Laval. He had them in the post season regularly. Didn't turn out bad for them.

Florida fired Andy Lopez. Didn't turn out bad for them.

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Exactly. That's why those schools are elite and we are not. They demand winning at the highest level. We settle for just making the postseason.

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And hired a head coach that had got his previous team (Notre Dame) to the CWS only once in his twelve seasons. Frankly Mainieri's record at LSU is about the same as Smoke.

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They have had ups and downs with both head coaches since Lopez. The highs have been better then we have seen with RC but the lows have been lower also. Lopez also achieved a National Championship after being let go by the Gators, something they are still looking for.

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And hired a head coach that had got his previous team (Notre Dame) to the CWS only once in his twelve seasons. Frankly Mainieri's record at LSU is about the same as Smoke.

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They have had ups and downs with both head coaches since Lopez. The highs have been better then we have seen with RC but the lows have been lower also. Lopez also achieved a National Championship after being let go by the Gators, something they are still looking for.

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Wait a minute, we are talking about a school's ability to hire a coach after letting go a moderately successful one. LSU and Florida both proved coaches aren't scared off by a program firing a moderately successful coach. That's a ridiculous argument to make for keeping a coach anyway.

Paul M has a national championship at LSU. It's not the same as Smoke. Getting ND, or any northern school, to the CWS is quite an accomplishment.

Making all these comparisons to other programs is ridiculous anyway. We know what we have in RC. He'll have us in the post season every year. He'll get beat in the Regionals or Super Regionals almost every year because he can't beat teams from our state in the post season. Expecting that to change after a decade of data is ridiculous.

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Wait a minute, we are talking about a school's ability to hire a coach after letting go a moderately successful one.

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I never said it was impossible, what I was driving at is how long you could get away of letting such coaches go before it comes back to haunt you. The Andy Lopez firing at Florida would be analogous to the Ags letting go RC. The firing of Pat McMahon came after two sub .500 seasons.

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Paul M has a national championship at LSU. It's not the same as Smoke.

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It is awfully close, I guess LSU fans are a little less tolerant then you would be with two 0-2 CWS appearances.

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Notre Dame is just not any northern school, tons of resources and can recruit nationally. Even so LSU looked beyond Mainieri's lack of CWS experinece and hired him which is a little odd considering Smoke was fired for his lack of success in Omaha.

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I recall eliminating the regional host Rice last season. I also recall eliminating U of H a couple of times. Then again we will see, RC is not going to be fired after this season so maybe he'll get one more crack at one of those Texas teams we are too intimidate to play. We're not intimidated by those all so tough SEC schools but those Texas schools have us quivering in our spikes.

I am not sure there is even a handful of schools that would fire Childress with his record here. I can only think of lsu and tu as possible schools to fire.

That is not a defense of Childress but a realistic look at where he stands in today's college baseball environment and the expectations of decision makers at A&M. I mean we are keeping around a truly awful MBB coach who cannot make the NCAAs but will can Childress who has made the supers 40% of his time here? Get real.

I want to know how Childress can get better (if he can) as a HC because he is going to be here barring an MJ like collapse. I think this year needs to become the exception rather than the norm. We did get screwed some in regards to seeding (we should have gotten okstate's matchup with mizzou state if not a national seed). He needs to push the 50 win barrier every year with a top 4 SEC finish to start getting the benefit of doubt when it comes to seeding.

Won't quibble too much with the "body of work" argument, i.e. only one CWS in 10 years. Disappointing for sure. But this year, despite the oh-so-close CWS miss, has to be considered an overachievement year. We were ranked no higher than 6th in the SEC and lost our 1 and 2 pitchers. We had the fortitude to build a terrific season, but not the horses to make the few plays we needed.

WTF are you smoking? Name those 10 coaches, please. Because I guarantee, you'd be *****ing about them the first year they didn't win it all. You are literally *****ing about a coach who averages 40 wins a year and has continued A&M's baseball tradition of being a powerhouse, year in and year out. Jesus Christ.

And I don't place any more emphasis on Hop's word than anybody else's. And your reasoning on why A&M should win every year is because we're A&M? That's absurd. Look, I know you're upset, but let's use a little reason, shall we? Every team playing now has good facilities and resources. If it was up to resources, then shouldn't Texas win it every year? And the reason MJ got fired was because his teams had been in decline for a few years; that's definitely not the case for RC.

And we are competing for National Championships. We were in the sweet 16 this year. We were one key hit from being in the CWS, DESPITE losing our top 2 starters and playing in the toughest conference in the country. We've been in the dance the past 9 years. We ARE competing. Could you be any more whiny? Do you want to fire Sumlin too? Barring injuries again, Rob has this team set up to be an elite team again next year. We are one of the teams at the top of the college baseball world, and you want to fire the man that put us there. Unbelievable. Only on Texags would people ***** about this. I can't believe how many people are whining about this.

Not good enough! FIRE CHILDRESS AND BRING IN MARTIN FROM FSU!!!!!! /hiddenag

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That's so absolutely wrong. Getting a northern team to the CWS is a huge accomplishment. If it wasn't, LSU wouldn't have hired him. If ND had so much going for it, Paul M wouldn't have left.

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Then again we will see, RC is not going to be fired after this season so maybe he'll get one more crack at one of those Texas teams we are too intimidate to play. We're not intimidated by those all so tough SEC schools but those Texas schools have us quivering in our spikes.

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We've been over .500 in SEC play once in 3 years. We've been eliminated 5 times in 9 post seasons by a team from our state, and now being in the SEC, there's an even greater chance we'll be facing TX teams in the post season. Ignoring that trend is just ridiculous.

RC isn't getting fired as long as Hyman is here. He's also never going to take us where we need to be.

I bet he will. I bet the Aggies get to the CWS next year. They would have this year with Stubbs and MInter healthy. We've got some serious talent on this team that got into a slump at the end of the year.

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Which is different from practically every other year during RC's tenure, how?

Last year and the year before, I wouldn't have said we have elite talent. Talented, yes? One of the most talented in the country? Probably not. I don't think you could say the same about this team. I think this team was loaded, as evidenced by the draft.

Rocco,

Andy Lopez got fired three years removed from the College World Series after he had missed the NCAA tournament and lost twice in a row in a regional.

If Florida makes the Super Regional that last year rather than losing as a 2-seed in a regional...Lopez maybe doesn't get fired. At least not that off-season.

I think you'd find a lot of folks might support or have supported Childress' firing at one point or another, but it is a strange time to be calling for it.

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That's so absolutely wrong. Getting a northern team to the CWS is a huge accomplishment. If it wasn't, LSU wouldn't have hired him. If ND had so much going for it, Paul M wouldn't have left.

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Sure it is and sure, Paul M is a good coach. LSU could fire him and also hire the head from Kent State, Indiana, Stony Brook, or Nebraska...all of who have made the CWS since Notre Dame made it under Paul M.

I've posted about this before with someone---maybe you, Rocco---but you do realize what Paul M's resume since the championship run in 2009 looked like coming into this season, right?

2010: 14-16 in SEC, lost in a Regional
2011: 13-17 in SEC, did not make the post-season
2012: 19-11 in SEC, lost in a Super Regional
2013: 23-7 in SEC, lost in the CWS
2014: 17-11-1 in SEC, lost in a Regional.

He wasn't achieving anything more than what RC has been achieving. I know the response is a national championship buys you at least 5 seasons...but LSU has been getting cited a whole lot around here recently and I'm not sure Baton Rouge is quite the Omaha/championship or bust kind of atmosphere people make it out to be.

Smoke Laval has been brought up. He wasn't fired after making a regional in 2005. He was fired after missing the NCAA Tournament in 2006. Again, kind of like the Andy Lopez comparison, it is a strange one to be making right now.

you guys are just wasting your time. first of all, none of you have any clout. so nothing you suggest will get done. second, nothing will ever change for A&M, unless the school moves to another city, probably by a florida or california beach.

we will most likely be paired up with a better school in our region. lsu, tcu UH, and yes we lost at olsen to UH. so this will always be an issue and we may get lucky once every 10 yrs and beat a weak lsu team only to go 0-2 in omaha.

this will never change. hth