stuck in purgatory

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Rocco S
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Ok. Great. Who cares.

What do these other program and coach comparison nit pickings have to do with Texas A&M baseball or Childress?

I'm not calling for his dismissal. Never have. Hyman isn't firing him. We know what we have in Childress and what we don't have in Childress. There is plenty of data to suggest it, an entire decades worth. We are stuck with him for now for better or worse. I can't see it getting any better.
TXAggie2011
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Ok. Great. Who cares.

What do these other program and coach comparison nit pickings have to do with Texas A&M baseball or Childress?
Your post from 11:12 this morning is why that stuff just got brought up.

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LSU fired Smoke Laval. He had them in the post season regularly. Didn't turn out bad for them.

Florida fired Andy Lopez. Didn't turn out bad for them.
TXAggie2011
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Rocco S
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Yes, I was replying to a comment.

Let's drop that.

Tell me why you think RC will win a national championship at Texas A&M
TXAggie2011
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Yes, I was replying to a comment.

Let's drop that.

Tell me why you think RC will win a national championship at Texas A&M
If I say no, what is your response going to be? What would your solution be?
Rocco S
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So you won't answer it.
TexasRebel
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50 wins...
Mark Fairchild
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50 wins, no CWS.
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
TexasRebel
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Which is pretty impressive, and a bit of a black eye for the committee.
Jock 07
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you guys are just wasting your time. first of all, none of you have any clout. so nothing you suggest will get done. second, nothing will ever change for A&M, unless the school moves to another city, probably by a florida or california beach.

we will most likely be paired up with a better school in our region. lsu, tcu UH, and yes we lost at olsen to UH. so this will always be an issue and we may get lucky once every 10 yrs and beat a weak lsu team only to go 0-2 in omaha.

this will never change. hth
Who is this "we" you speak of? You're clearly nothing more than a sip troll masquerading as an Ag, you're not fooling anyone.
HTH
merc
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What do you guys think the best series win was this season?
Rocco S
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What do you guys think the best series win was this season?
All of our conference series wins were over teams that finished below .500 in conference, with the exception of Missouri, who finished right at .500 in conference and 30-28 overall.

We didn't win a series all season vs a team in the NCAA tournament.
Mr.Ackar07
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What do you guys think the best series win was this season?
All of our conference series wins were over teams that finished below .500 in conference, with the exception of Missouri, who finished right at .500 in conference and 30-28 overall.

We didn't win a series all season vs a team in the NCAA tournament.
Except Auburn
PabloSerna
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*cough* porn-blast...
HiddenAg2
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WTF are you smoking? Name those 10 coaches, please. Because I guarantee, you'd be *****ing about them the first year they didn't win it all. You are literally *****ing about a coach who averages 40 wins a year and has continued A&M's baseball tradition of being a powerhouse, year in and year out. Jesus Christ.
As far as coaches, I've been advocating Brian O'Connor for 3 years now. I can name 9 others but he is my first choice. Obviously a moot point because Rob isn't going anywhere after this year, which I've said previously was his best coaching job considering the injuries. But I'm also referencing a 10 year trend line, which has produced 0 national seeds (a key indicator of the quality of the season and opportunity to host a SR) and 1 trip to Omaha. That should not be the standard at A&M.

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And I don't place any more emphasis on Hop's word than anybody else's. And your reasoning on why A&M should win every year is because we're A&M? That's absurd. Look, I know you're upset, but let's use a little reason, shall we? Every team playing now has good facilities and resources. If it was up to resources, then shouldn't Texas win it every year? And the reason MJ got fired was because his teams had been in decline for a few years; that's definitely not the case for RC.
First, I would say Hop knows more about baseball than you and me combined and has followed it closely at least 10 years longer than me. So yeah, his well-reasoned and intelligent opinion carries a lot of weight with me.

Second, do you work for Hyman? Seriously, though, there is no point arguing with you because we come from completely different world views when it comes to expectations for Aggie athletics. I will repeat - this is not the A&M of the 80s or 90s when we didn't have the exposure, brand name, or investment in athletics that we do today. A&M is a big time school with a lot of money/resources/facility/location and a quickly growing brand now in the SEC. We should expect big results from programs that have the built-in advantages such as Baseball. Also, there are several teams in both Texas and the SEC that have inferior facilities and resources. You mention Texas, which is a bad argument, because they have won multiple titles in the last 15 years. Obviously no school wins it every year - the problem is that A&M does not reach Omaha enough to give itself a chance to win it all.

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And we are competing for National Championships. We were in the sweet 16 this year. We were one key hit from being in the CWS, DESPITE losing our top 2 starters and playing in the toughest conference in the country. We've been in the dance the past 9 years. We ARE competing. Could you be any more whiny? Do you want to fire Sumlin too? Barring injuries again, Rob has this team set up to be an elite team again next year. We are one of the teams at the top of the college baseball world, and you want to fire the man that put us there. Unbelievable. Only on Texags would people ***** about this. I can't believe how many people are whining about this.
I would argue we are not competing for national titles. You have to at least make it to Omaha to give yourself a chance to get to the championship series. Just making the NCAA tournament is not the standard - that should be the baseline expectation for any A&M baseball coach. I'm not sure how you can make the argument that A&M is "one of the teams at the top of the college baseball world." My definition of top of the baseball world would be a Top 5-10 program in the nation. Based on the last 10 years, A&M has averaged a Top 20-30 finish in the NCAA tournament. That's not elite.

I'm sorry that you think people on TexAgs who are passionate about winning in baseball at an elite level have unrealistic expectations and are "whiny." We simply disagree with your managed expectations.
Rocco S
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RC didn't put us anywhere we haven't been. In fact, from 1988-1999, our baseball program was arguably if not undoubtedly better than it is now.
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one thing Childress has done a great job of...is beating the average to below average teams on A&M's schedule.

during the regular season only 10 of the Ags' 43 wins were against teams that made the postseason. And as previously mentioned 3 of those were against Auburn. Plus single wins vs. LSU, Arky, DBU, Rice, UH, HBU, and Ole Miss. Overall the Ags were 10-5 in the regular season vs. postseason teams. But only 4-5 in the second half of the season.

unfortunately in the postseason...you eventually run out of average to below average teams to play. And the Ags essentially played .500 baseball vs. the above average teams they faced in May & June (Cal, TCU, Coastal, Vandy).

in 2016...assuming that Pepperdine, Vanderbilt, and Florida return to the schedule; we'll get a better indication earlier in the year of how good the club is. This past season those March series wins over Alabama, Missouri, and Kentucky lost considerable luster as all 3 squads faded in the second half
davidwebb
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staff, stop deleting my posts
Just Tired
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2016

11th verse same as the first ten...zero wins in omaha.

very similar to the football rc...as good as slocum's overall record was, he never managed to win a conference championship and a bowl game in the same season. childress' teams consistently above average but in over a decade only one trip to omaha where they proceeded to go winless.

don't get me wrong...very nice individual season...it's just that the pinnacle for over a decade running the program leaves a lot to be desired.

"losing wouldn't be so bad at all,
but i'm always on a mountain when i fall."
Ol Sarge Friday
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1989 will always be the gold standard of Aggie baseball disappointment but last night is in contention for the silver.
Rocco S
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I was more ready to fire RC a year ago than I am now, but I'm still ready to move on. Really glad he got a new hitting coach and philosophy, but 1 trip to Omaha and 0 wins there in a decade is the bottom line. Once again, the end of season slump costs us a national seed, and once again, our bats completely disappear in the post season.. Hyman isn't firing him though.
Rocco S
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Ok. Great. Who cares.

What do these other program and coach comparison nit pickings have to do with Texas A&M baseball or Childress?

I'm not calling for his dismissal. Never have. Hyman isn't firing him. We know what we have in Childress and what we don't have in Childress. There is plenty of data to suggest it, an entire decades worth. We are stuck with him for now for better or worse. I can't see it getting any better.

I hate being right
OldSaltAg
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It's interesting to note that JDay has been trolling for at least one year. Impressive.
Aston04
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Jock 07
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Picadillo
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Childress is a quality guy, but as someone else put it, he's the Mark Richt of college baseball. Always competitive, but just short of his goal.
sharpdressedman
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there are just too many resources here for childress to have the hellish season it would take for Woodward to make a move.
Updated for the OP. Still true, like it or not.
Joe Schillaci 48
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I was there when mark Johnson was fired off the bus

I am still upset over that too.

For several years I held that against Childress but I finally realized it was not his fault. Childress was a good hire.

MJ was Byrne's first shot as trying to show he was a tough guy. Dumb mistake.

AGinHI
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Just listened to some of the post game for the 1st time. RC described the team as one he had "as much fun...to coach the last two years as I've had in my twenty-five years of coaching."

The '89 team was over a quarter century ago.

Guess I'll be close to 70 the next time a team like this rolls around.

PabloSerna
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If we are in purgatory- then it is only a matter of time before heaven!
BoerneGator
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If we are in purgatory- then it is only a matter of time before heaven!
Did you just realize that? It's a matter of time, whether we're in purgatory or not.
Mark Fairchild
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AGinHI: You are lucky, you'll only be 70, I will be 100!
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
jkag89
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If we are in purgatory- then it is only a matter of time before heaven!
Did you just realize that? It's a matter of time, whether we're in purgatory or not.
Ah, but if you find yourself in purgatory you're certain of heaven. In other words, I'm fairly certain PabloSerna was just making a theological joke,
Picadillo
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I'll be telling my grandkids of when we went to Omaha in 2011 and went 0-2. Good times.
PabloSerna
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Yup. Catholics understand purgatory as time to clean up before heaven. Limbo may have been a better choice of words. No more limbo though.
 
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