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lightningcat12
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I generally can't stand Childress as a coach. But I think this team maxed out. Playing most of the season without your best 2 starters and winning 50 games is acceptable. That being said, I am so effing tired of is not winning the big game! Last year against Texas today against Tcu. It's unnacceptable and somebody needs to change that culture
DGAG92
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Swing the damn bats.....period
_mpaul
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End-of-the-year results don't.
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adding to the frustration for the long-time fans...we're seeing TCU replace Rice as the thorn in the side for the A&M program. The Frogs are following the exact same path that Rice used in their heyday. Dominate a weak conference and get favorable seedings and matchups at home in the postseason most years.

TCU has won 4 extra-inning regional/SR games at Lupton in the past 2 seasons -- that home crowd helps
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End-of-the-year results don't.
If that's the only metric you're going by, then we WERE better with him than without him.
_mpaul
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I generally can't stand Childress as a coach. But I think this team maxed out. Playing most of the season without your best 2 starters and winning 50 games is acceptable. That being said, I am so effing tired of is not winning the big game! Last year against Texas today against Tcu. It's unnacceptable and somebody needs to change that culture
Cal last week was a big game, twice. TCU yesterday was a big game. Vandy in the SEC tournament was a big game. Houston and Nebraska were, at the time, big games.

For the 64 "best" teams, every team's season but one is going to end with a loss. Don't just take that last loss and decide that means the team "can't win the big game."
lightningcat12
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You're right those cal games were big. But I'm referring to the post season matchups between regional foes. As a fan I want to beat those teams in Texas, I want to be the best team in Texas!
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I generally can't stand Childress as a coach. But I think this team maxed out. Playing most of the season without your best 2 starters and winning 50 games is acceptable. That being said, I am so effing tired of is not winning the big game! Last year against Texas today against Tcu. It's unnacceptable and somebody needs to change that culture
Cal last week was a big game, twice. TCU yesterday was a big game. Vandy in the SEC tournament was a big game. Houston and Nebraska were, at the time, big games.

For the 64 "best" teams, every team's season but one is going to end with a loss. Don't just take that last loss and decide that means the team "can't win the big game."
It's about the manner in which we consistently lose the BIGGEST games during RC's tenure. Over the long run, RC is a regional-hosting, SR-losing coach. You are what your results say you are - no more, no less. Those are just the facts of sports. We have ten years to back these results up so far, at what point is change necessary? What happens if we have an identical NEXT TEN YEARS? Is it time to finally cut ties then?
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No need to be upset. Byrne essentially fired mark Johnson and went out and hired mark Johnson 2.0. Childress has even mastered mj's fine art of placing rally-killers in strategic locations in the lineup and leaving them there the entire game. If you plan on waiting for Childress to find his way to Omaha, you are going to be waiting a long time. What is that, 3 appearances in the CWS in 35 years between the two? Childress does not have what it takes as a HC to get us there. Just accept the fact and hope like hell we make a better hire the next time around.
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I generally can't stand Childress as a coach. But I think this team maxed out. Playing most of the season without your best 2 starters and winning 50 games is acceptable. That being said, I am so effing tired of is not winning the big game! Last year against Texas today against Tcu. It's unnacceptable and somebody needs to change that culture
Cal last week was a big game, twice. TCU yesterday was a big game. Vandy in the SEC tournament was a big game. Houston and Nebraska were, at the time, big games.

For the 64 "best" teams, every team's season but one is going to end with a loss. Don't just take that last loss and decide that means the team "can't win the big game."


We also lost to Vandy in a game that might've made us a national seed. Non conference regular season games in March aren't "big games".
Rocco S
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Truth be told, the moment was just too big for the majority of our bats.

I would call what Barash, Alleman, and McClendon did defensively as battling and fighting.

The rest? It is literally miraculous that our pitching staff carried us so deep into game 3.

When you watch a thigh high fastball strike on a 3-1 count with runners on 2nd and 3rd in extra innings, well you're just not fit for Omaha.


This has happened repeatedly in the post season under RC's watch
Rocco S
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i have no delusions that he will be fired. just saying this is likely as good as it gets with him.
Except it's been better.

How many wins in Omaha does TCU have? Without looking it up...
I know in 2010 they had a damn good showing, I want to say 3 maybe? And I want to say they beat Texas Tech last year, so 4? Maybe a few more this year and the mighty TCU will be SIGNIFICANTLY outperforming us.
I at least believe you knew that off hand. I still don't see what "wins in Omaha" mean without advancing to the championship series. To me, it feels like just another made up metric to criticize coaches.


So throw it out, and just look at CWS appearances, not games won there.

Still a damning metric. 1 appearance in a decade. He's just not getting it done.
Boxer
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This team was snake bit from the start. Losing our top 2 arms...just bad luck. For those of you advocating firing RC, who do yall suggest we get? He's a great coach at recruiting, developing and motivating. He does make some questionable calls during games, but the man can coach baseball. I couldn't be happier with RC. Classy man and a great ambassador for our university. Despite Hyman's ineptness.
Adam87inSA
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Childress "isn't getting it done" in the same sense that Sumlin "isn't getting it done".

Childress is an absolute WITCH of a pitching coach whose teams tend to tighten up in knots at the plate at nut-cutting time in the bright lights of the Supers. He has, however, took us to nine straight regionals and nobody has ever done that here.

Sumlin is an absolute WITCH of an offensive coach whose defenses have been as tough to score on as a Tech coed after two beers. Thus no conference titles, no BCS Bowls. Undeniable upgrade from Sherman and especially Fran, and has wrestled recruiting control away from the sips.

Sumlin has now hired his defensive savior.

Childress could still be looking for his batting coach.

Neither are getting fired this summer nor should they.
Aston04
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Childress teams suck at hitting- at least when it counts. Frankly, we lucked out scraping a couple runs together in our regional.

He's a hell of a pitching coach. Unfortunately, you need more than that.

And you gotta put this on the players too. Individually, a lot of guys sucked at the plate. But collectively, that's on RC. And it's been our post-season problem nearly every year.

I don't want to hear the excuse about losing two starters and so we should be happy with this season's results.. Sure, regular season we probably maxed out. But in the post-season, we got as much as you could ask from pitching and more, and still lost. Again, it's all about the hitting or lack of it.
Rocco S
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I think it's a stretch at best to call RC a motivator. He's a great teacher of the game, but motivating his teams seems to be a huge short fall. That could be why we have trouble getting out of ruts after long winning streaks, and have trouble in the post season. We've now had our season ended 5 times by in state teams. Motivation obviously played a factor in those series.
Just Tired
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Childress "isn't getting it done" in the same sense that Sumlin "isn't getting it done".

Neither are getting fired this summer nor should they.
huge difference between 10 years in the books and 3 years in the books. don't think there is any way sumlin would last 10 yrs with only one bcs appearance in which the team got shut out.
Adam87inSA
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Childress "isn't getting it done" in the same sense that Sumlin "isn't getting it done".

Neither are getting fired this summer nor should they.
huge difference between 10 years in the books and 3 years in the books. don't think there is any way sumlin would last 10 yrs with only one bcs appearance in which the team got shut out.
so you're on board to fire Childress now?

Just checking.
Just Tired
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my position is that he's never going to win it all so if that's the aspiration, you should move on. unlike mj and the original rc, he's just not a very likable guy but if you're satisfied with what you've gotten the last 10 years, then stand pat because as the ags found out with fran, it can always get a lot worse.
Adam87inSA
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Even if you're not satisfied, you can have a whole lot worse than Childress.

I put the chances of him getting fired this summer at 1.36%. Roughly.

If he has a season where the pitching gets shelled and we miss the postseason (or 2 and BBQ in regionals), then fine, you'll have a lot more momentum for a change.

This is the same athletic department that has kept Billy Kennedy around, who is MUCH less accomplished. Childress is arguably the best baseball HC we've ever had.
Just Tired
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I put the chances of him getting fired this summer at 1.36%. Roughly.
i'd put it at 0.00001% unless he's got a secret newsletter.
Rocco S
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Even if you're not satisfied, you can have a whole lot worse than Childress.


I completely disagree with this thought. I think a lot of coaches could've done what he's done at Texas A&M. In 10 seasons, we've hosted 4 Regionals, 0 Super Regionals, made 1 CWS, and won 0 CWS games. He hasn't elevated the program above where it was from 1988-99.

We play in the best baseball conference there is, have first class facilities, and fill up our ballpark. All the ingredients are in place.

I do agree there is zero chance he's fired. I'm not screaming for his head either, I just have "managed my expectations" as long as he's here. I bought in big time when the season got off to the fast start, we finally put together a potent offense, and I thought this team was headed to Omaha for sure. But then RC's old demons raised their heads again, a late season collapse, just barely missing a national seed, an offense that couldn't be stopped earlier in the season look silly and ridiculous at the plate in post season against quality opponents, and once again getting sent home by an in state program. And yes, that last part absolutely matters. In 10 seasons under his watch, our post season has been ended 5 times by an in state program.
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Looks like TCU will be our new Rice.
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How many wins in Omaha does TCU have? Without looking it up...

Is TCU our measuring stick now? ouch

Childress ain't going anywhere. That would require an AD that gives a damn. Just look at basketball.
Rocco S
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I really, really hope the "getting a national seed doesn't matter" talk can finally end. Even suggesting it's not as important as it's made out to be posts look really dumb now. Is there any doubt playing at Olsen would've been the difference?
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i have no delusions that he will be fired. just saying this is likely as good as it gets with him.
Except it's been better.

How many wins in Omaha does TCU have? Without looking it up...

As another poster said - more than we do. And honestly, I don't care all that much about how many wins TCU has in Omaha - they aren't my team. A&M is. And we have 1 Omaha appearance, with a 0-2 record under Childress. I was a teenager the last time we actually won a game in Omaha.

This is TCU's 3rd trip since 2010, right? So they've had at least 6 opportunities to win since then. How many opportunities has A&M had?

And the metric of winning in Omaha is a valid one - getting there is commendable, but getting there and then jumping on a plane back home before you even get your bags unpacked isn't the goal. The last time we were in Omaha, we looked like we were there for the party, not for the game. We looked like amateurs compared to most of the other teams. You don't win in Omaha, you don't give yourself a chance to be champion. Simple as that.
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How many wins in Omaha does TCU have? Without looking it up...

Is TCU our measuring stick now? ouch

Childress ain't going anywhere. That would require an AD that gives a damn. Just look at basketball.
Our AD does give a damn. I'm sure he's very excited to celebrate TCU's victory.
Just Tired
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Is TCU our measuring stick now? ouch

rather than measuring stick, i'd say "excuse killer". if it can be done at tcu, there is no good reason it couldn't have been done at a&m in the last decade.
TXAggie2011
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I kind of feel like we're in the 1st or 2nd circles of heaven.

That would be "the inconstant" or "the ambitious".

Pugatory seems a little harsh.

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How many wins in Omaha does TCU have? Without looking it up...

Is TCU our measuring stick now? ouch

Childress ain't going anywhere. That would require an AD that gives a damn. Just look at basketball.
There are lots of ADs that give a damn that wouldn't fire Childress.

But you're certainly right it would require one that does give a damn to fire Childress. Hyman certainly isn't going to be that AD unless he develops some sort of personal problem with Childress.

p.s. Can we take it easy on TCU? Or, maybe, rather, take it easy on ourselves for having to compare ourselves to them? At this point, they're among the elites and the measuring stick for 99+% of the country. There isn't any shame in saying TCU is a measuring stick right now.
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How many wins in Omaha does TCU have? Without looking it up...

Is TCU our measuring stick now? ouch

Childress ain't going anywhere. That would require an AD that gives a damn. Just look at basketball.
There are lots of ADs that give a damn that wouldn't fire Childress.

But you're certainly right it would require one that does give a damn to fire Childress. Hyman certainly isn't going to be that AD unless he develops some sort of personal problem with Childress.

p.s. Can we take it easy on TCU? Or, maybe, rather, take it easy on ourselves for having to compare ourselves to them? At this point, they're among the elites and the measuring stick for 99+% of the country. There isn't any shame in saying TCU is a measuring stick right now.

There is when you compare the resources available to each school and the conferences the schools play in.
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Pugatory seems a little harsh.


theologically, i think the best you can hope for is that a supreme being wouldn't involve himself in something as petty as sports outcomes...otherwise the ags have really done something to piss him off.
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another frustrating thing in both MJ's and Childress' tenures...since the new format in 1999...A&M has played in 12 regionals and won 6 of them, but the Ags have never gone W-W-W in a regional. The program cannot put together 3 well-played games-in-a-row in the postseason. Every regional turns into a backs-to-the-wall situation with 1 or 2 or 3 elimination games. That's not the way to consistently get to Omaha -- constantly fighting thru regionals
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Winning it all is what matters. FSU has been to Omaha 21 times, including 14 times in the last 30 years (so almost every other year), but they have never won. Meanwhile Vandy, UCLA, Fresno St and Oregon St have all been to Omaha 5 times or less in their entire school history, but they all have won a title in the last 10 years and Oregon St won 2 titles during this timeframe. Vandy this week is making only their 3rd appearance ever in the CWS! Rice hasn't been to Omaha since 2008, but people remember them because they won it all in 2003. OTOH Florida St is the butt of the joke and the answer to which school has the most appearances in the CWS but has never won a title, Maybe their fans can make shirts and they can put a trophy in their case for that. Winning it all is what matters.

So the real question is do we have the coach who can win it all? Honestly, I don't know. And I've wasted considerable time studying coaches who have won national titles in the major sports.
davidwebb
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here is the problem with aggie baseball.

1. it's college baseball. the best players are simply going to skip this level.
2. it's college station. the ones that don't go pro are not going to college station, they are going to austin.

this will never change. you can complain about AD or coach, but in the end it's gonna be the same result.

others have made good points about LSU and the free education and always having the tough matchups. this will prob never change either.

this is why year after year LSU wins and Ags lose. they have a big advantage.
 
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