bagger05 said:

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No doubt he will be paid, but he is coming out of this deal looking like a real ass.

He was the one who led the charge on stonewalling any cooperation with LIV at the outset.
He was the one leveraging the 9/11 families against LIV
He was the one trying to galvanize the stars to stay in the name of tradition
He was the one brokering the changes to the tour and the enhanced events and all that

Now he's completely reversed course on everything he's been saying for a year. AND he's getting a $7.5MM/yr raise thanks to a deal that he brokered in secret with the people he said were the enemy.

On the surface it looks like he can simply be bought. Hard to see him having much credibility moving forward.

Even if he shows that this is really a good deal for the players in the long run, I still think it'd be easier for the PGAT to move forward if they fired him. I think the best thing for the PGAT is probably a "fresh start" and that'd be hard to do with Monahan still around.

Don't see what the argument would be for keeping him around.

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I'm guessing he steps down. He's supposed to be the ceo of the new entity, which is separate and apart from the Tour. Doubt he could do both jobs simultaneously.

SW AG80 said:

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That sounds reasonable. It does bother me that a foreign country, any foreign country, will own a huge chunk of the PGAT.

I was pissed when a Japanese company bought Pebble Beach. And that an Indian company owns The Plaza Hotel. That's just how I am.

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I hear ya. They're not my first choice to be the principal investors of professional golf but it is what it is and I won't stop watching because of it.

Hell, I wish the McNairs didn't own the Texans.

That last sentence made me laugh.

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SW AG80 said:

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That sounds reasonable. It does bother me that a foreign country, any foreign country, will own a huge chunk of the PGAT.

I was pissed when a Japanese company bought Pebble Beach. And that an Indian company owns The Plaza Hotel. That's just how I am.

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I hear ya. They're not my first choice to be the principal investors of professional golf but it is what it is and I won't stop watching because of it.

Hell, I wish the McNairs didn't own the Texans.

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Oh LAWD. If a Saudi sheik wanted to buy the Texans, I would scream with joy.

LIV and the PGA Tour are merging. I have a ton of thoughts, but first, will all the woke sports media who ripped Saudi Arabia’s involvement in golf now refuse to cover the merged tour? What a bunch of hypocritical losers those media, who would all have quit their own jobs for…

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) June 6, 2023

This is gold, need to start saving tweets now to retweet when some of these dummies gravel to sheik Phil for their media pass

Sounds like things did not go well for Moynihan in that meeting.

And this is without many if any of the top 50 players being present at the meeting. These "also rans" probably have more to make financially than the top 50 yet they were angry and calling for JM to resign.

Guess Norman is getting kicked the curb; but likely getting paid handsomely to go quietly into the night (his other option is probably a horsehead in his bed a la the Godfather)..

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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Marauder Blue 6 said:

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AustinCountyAg said:

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Yes, but will Rory and all his sheep just decline the tournament winnings since it's "Saudi money"???

EAD Rory and all the hypocrites

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It sounds like Rory and all the PGAT players were blindsided by this and this was all Monahan's doing. It will be interesting to hear how this has developed. If Monahan did this all on his own without telling anyone, he'll get run out of town.

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By who? By the players? LOL

Monahan now bows to the house of saud.

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He works for the players. If they're as pissed as it sounds, he's gone.

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Nope, he gone if he pisses off his boss. Or if Norman takes over, but unlikely.

But players won't be pissed because they'll be bought too. And Monahan didn't act alone. Sure no players may have been involved but Monahan had his lawyers involved from the get go. Which means the Sauds know they can buy the players with a snap of their fingers. They're all gonna get pwnd.

I disagree. JM could be gone. It will be whatever the top 10% or so of the tour want. That includes Tiger, Rory and the other leaders.

Tiger still carries a big bat. And I think Tiger is very smart and can wade through some of the BS and look down the road and see what is best for golf. And for his bank account too.

They have no control over him being CEO of the new entity. So he will likely give up being commissioner as that happens

I'm not certain the players will approve this. But $$$$
does talk.

Another thing that bothers me. The old axiom "Those who have the money make the rules" proves true time and time and time again.

So one day will the Saudis own the PGAT and then make all the rules? If anyone says definitely "that will never happen" is a fool.

SW AG80 said:

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Another thing that bothers me. The old axiom "Those who have the money make the rules" proves true time and time and time again.

So one day will the Saudis own the PGAT and then make all the rules? If anyone says definitely "that will never happen" is a fool.

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Kind of. To be fair the idiots running the PGAT made it much easier than just buying what they wanted. They were out maneuvered from day one. The Saudis did the PGAT players a favor.

SW AG80 said:

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Another thing that bothers me. The old axiom "Those who have the money make the rules" proves true time and time and time again.

So one day will the Saudis own the PGAT and then make all the rules? If anyone says definitely "that will never happen" is a fool.

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It is going to happen eventually.

You're speaking more to a political issue than a golf one but we are allowing other countries to become rich and we shouldn't be surprised when foreigners and different cultures control and bend the rules of our entertainment institutions.

We will only have ourselves to blame.

I still think Tiger is pretty smart in spite of his sex addiction.

SW AG80 said:

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I still think Tiger is pretty smart in spite of his sex addiction.

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Never confuse power with intelligence.

I think he is intelligent AND has a lot of power on the PGAT players.

SW AG80 said:

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I disagree. JM could be gone. It will be whatever the top 10% or so of the tour want. That includes Tiger, Rory and the other leaders.

Tiger still carries a big bat. And I think Tiger is very smart and can wade through some of the BS and look down the road and see what is best for golf. And for his bank account too.

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Your take on the PGAT and the Players would make more sense if the players are employees with a union. Because the players are independent contractors, negotiations between the Tour and the Sauds didn't need player's input nor do the Sauds really care what Rory and Tiger think...as they've been negative towards LIV from the get go. Sauds can simply tell the players "sorry you feel that way but if you don't like it, go play elsewhere."

Sauds will own the tour and both the tour and the players will do what they're told.

Sex is undefeated

Rory's tears taste great

SW AG80 said:

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I think he is intelligent AND has a lot of power on the PGAT players.

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Tiger is a fan favorite and respected by many players but unless he's opening his wallet to feed the players, his power is no match for the new PGAT partner.

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SW AG80 said:

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I disagree. JM could be gone. It will be whatever the top 10% or so of the tour want. That includes Tiger, Rory and the other leaders.

Tiger still carries a big bat. And I think Tiger is very smart and can wade through some of the BS and look down the road and see what is best for golf. And for his bank account too.

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Your take on the PGAT and the Players would make more sense if the players are employees with a union. Because the players are independent contractors, negotiations between the Tour and the Sauds didn't need player's input nor do the Sauds really care what Rory and Tiger think...as they've been negative towards LIV from the get go. Sauds can simply tell the players "sorry you feel that way but if you don't like it, go play elsewhere."

Sauds will own the tour and both the tour and the players will do what they're told.

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I don't think that is correct. If the PGAT players do not ratify this agreement then everything is back to square one and the lawyers keep fighting.

I don't think JM can unilaterally enter into such an agreement without consent of the owners of the PGAT, which is owned by the players.

What does one Riyal get me?

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SW AG80 said:

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I disagree. JM could be gone. It will be whatever the top 10% or so of the tour want. That includes Tiger, Rory and the other leaders.

Tiger still carries a big bat. And I think Tiger is very smart and can wade through some of the BS and look down the road and see what is best for golf. And for his bank account too.

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Your take on the PGAT and the Players would make more sense if the players are employees with a union. Because the players are independent contractors, negotiations between the Tour and the Sauds didn't need player's input nor do the Sauds really care what Rory and Tiger think...as they've been negative towards LIV from the get go. Sauds can simply tell the players "sorry you feel that way but if you don't like it, go play elsewhere."

Sauds will own the tour and both the tour and the players will do what they're told.

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I don't think that is correct. If the PGAT players do not ratify this agreement then everything is back to square one and the lawyers keep fighting.

I don't think JM can unilaterally enter into such an agreement without consent of the owners of the PGAT, which is owned by the players.

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that's irrelevant. You must think the Tour Players can't be bought. And the PGAT is not owned by the players.

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SW AG80 said:

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I think he is intelligent AND has a lot of power on the PGAT players.

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Tiger is a fan favorite and respected by many players but unless he's opening his wallet to feed the players, his power is no match for the new PGAT partner.

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Money talks and BS walks. So money May win out. But maybe not. Will be interesting to see what the PGAT players do. Impossible to even guess without knowing more of what is in the agreement which the players have not been privy to. In spite of their meeting today.

I think it is. And they make up the board that controls it.

What if there is a final twist? The Tigerory Tour featuring the soon ex PGA players that didn't go to LIV.

SW AG80 said:

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I think it is. And they make up the board that controls it.

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No they don't. Players are just advisory council, not the board. It's nothing more than a good will feel good move that makes players think they have a say so. They don't.