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My friend a&m has no pull.

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If that were true, we'd be planning our future seasons for the Pac-16 as we speak. Whatever makes you feel better about your school still being the little brother.

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You coned bozo into thinking you had a stand alone offer from the SEC.

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So you're good buddies with Mike Slive and you can confirm this?

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If and that is big if, you had an invite then why the hell didn't you take it. One poster claimed it was to stay in the Big 12 with weaker competition and still get your 20 mil.

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Yeah, that would be the reason. Congrats on knowing how to read.

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You honestly think that beebe will get you your 20 mil.

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Who knows. But either way A&M has a place to go because we covered our bases in this deal.

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Even though I hate it, I understand UT & OU getting 20 mil but what the hell have you ags done to earn 20 mil.

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It was an incentive to keep us in the conference, because had the option to elsewhere. It's not a matter of earning anything, it's a matter of market value. A&M may not be winning football, but we do in pretty much every other sport nowadays. We also have a strong value because of our large fanbase. I know you hate to hear that, but we both know it's true.

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Please spare me the crap about overall athletic program.

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Yeah we wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your little argument.

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This is about football and Tech has kicked your butt the last 14 years.

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And has nothing to show for it except for the clip of Crabtree crossing the goal line against texas. At least A&M has won the division in the last 14 years. tech's pulled some upsets and gotten to the Cotton Bowl. Congrats?

Another swing...another miss



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tcehies,

this isn't fun fair positive soccer. this is reality. it's a beetch, but you got your deeks broke off in a desk drawer. just accept it.

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And has nothing to show for it except for the clip of Crabtree crossing the goal line against texas

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ouch.

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Youll be PRAYING for a PAC offer but Utah took your spot! Good luck, you guys are going to need it!

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Talk about the thread that keeps on giving?! There is absolutely no effing way anyone but tard could be dumb enough to think of this as a positive. Talk about a fallback plan for the Ags - that's what the PAC10 is. Tards should be sheeting their pants that Utah took another spot and better hope that Daddy Aggie and the sips can convince them to let tard come aboard rather than OSU or anyone else should we decide we want that conference.

The tard stupidity is shocking and a little disturbing. Is there a Tier 4 or 5?

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You had the chance to go PAC but now Utah took your spot! - Youll be PRAYING for a PAC offer but Utah took your spot! Good luck, you guys are going to need it!

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If the Pac-12 comes calling again their preference will be as follows:
The sips, OU & TAMU...and whoever b*tches/moans the most between the sips and OU to get either tceh or OSU in. My guess is that since the state of Texas would have two teams that Oklahoma will also get two teams and tceh will be the odd man out. You better be on your knees every freakin' night praying that A & M has an offer to the SEC next time this comes around.

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You've given us the couple of more years we need to completely close the tier 1 gap and round out our athletics.

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Did you need a towel after that dream?

Delusional doesn't begin to describe the circle jerk going on in West Texas. Everybody sees it but you.

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If the Pac-12 comes calling again their preference will be as follows:
The sips, OU & TAMU...and whoever b*tches/moans the most between the sips and OU to get either tceh or OSU in. My guess is that since the state of Texas would have two teams that Oklahoma will also get two teams and tceh will be the odd man out. You better be on your knees every freakin' night praying that A & M has an offer to the SEC next time this comes around.

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And let's say A&M goes SEC (which hopefully we will). KU got spooked this last time around, they won't be caught off guard again. With their incredible basketball history and decent academics, they're going to hitch on somewhere to a big conference. tech better hope the Jayhawks don't maneuver their way into that 4th spot for the Pac-16.

Honestly, Baylor is a better choice than tard. They are much better overall both academically and athletically. Tard better be praying that Briles doesn't turn Baylor into a bowl team in the next 3 - 4 years. Like KU, nobody is going to be caught with their pants down next time.

Look tard, I strongly dislike A&M. But you're a damn fool if you think just about any conference in America would not offer A&M in about 3 seconds. It is a good school with a huge fanbase located in about as prime of a recruiting ground as you will ever find.

The SEC would take them in a second (they took USCe and Arkie for God's sake and have Miss State, Kentucky, and Vandy). The Pac 10 would take them in a heartbeat over Tech.

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Honestly, Baylor is a better choice than tard. They are much better overall both academically and athletically. Tard better be praying that Briles doesn't turn Baylor into a bowl team in the next 3 - 4 years.

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That's just silly.

Tech has improved by leaps and bounds since joining the Big 12. They are a large state school, not a small private one, with a growing fanbase. More importantly, they have shown a commitment to spending money on football by expanding their stadium, improving facilities, and hiring expensive coaches.

Tech would be a decent middle tier team in any conference. They will be fine.

Now, they could be in a little trouble if they really started sucking in football and their attendance nose dived. But that is unlikely as Tuberville, unlike Leach, actually tries to recruit and he's hired a very solid staff.

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Look tard, I strongly dislike A&M. But you're a damn fool if you think just about any conference in America would not offer A&M in about 3 seconds. It is a good school with a huge fanbase located in about as prime of a recruiting ground as you will ever find.

The SEC would take them in a second (they took USCe and Arkie for God's sake and have Miss State, Kentucky, and Vandy). The Pac 10 would take them in a heartbeat over Tech.

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shut the **** up sip

RW pretty much summed it up.

RW - I don't disagree with you...just making a point that tceh is not nearly attractive as they think they are. Like you said, they better hope they keep it together in football. At the moment, it's all they've got.

To Tceh fans, football is the end all, be all and it's the sole quality that defines a univeristy because it IS all they have. Aacademics don't matter, other sports don't matter, and endowments don't matter.

How long has that moment lasted? I guess a better question is, how long do you think it will last?

You would think that at a school where the only thing that matters is football, they would have some hardware.

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To Tceh fans, football is the end all, be all and it's the sole quality that defines a univeristy because it IS all they have. Aacademics don't matter, other sports don't matter, and endowments don't matter.

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TV ratings, fan base size, and recruiting bases are probably more important than sports performance.

When talking about realignment and sports performance, football is all that really matters. Basketball can be a plus. The rest are complete nonfactors.

Academics might come in third.

I'm not talking about realignment

I'm talking about what defines a university as a university. To Tceh, it's only football. That's it.

Tech RELISHES playing the role of spoiler in the conference.

I agree, Tech is not really a serious institution of higher learning. They do have hot chicks and a good greek system.

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Tech has improved by leaps and bounds since joining the Big 12. They are a large state school, not a small private one, with a growing fanbase. More importantly, they have shown a commitment to spending money on football by expanding their stadium, improving facilities, and hiring expensive coaches.

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Yeah the baylor argument doesn't work in terms of potential fan support...they will always be limited because they're a private school with small enrollment. But they are more competitive than tech in every other sport.

tech is like Mississippi State, without football they have nothing to offer.

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Now, they could be in a little trouble if they really started sucking in football and their attendance nose dived. But that is unlikely as Tuberville, unlike Leach, actually tries to recruit and he's hired a very solid staff.

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That doesn't guarantee success though, especially if Tubbs needs better athletes to get his system to work. I think he'll be about as good at tech as Steve Spurrier has been at South Carolina.

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You would think that at a school where the only thing that matters is football, they would have some hardware.

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you would think that, wouldn't you? i'd also think their stadium would seat more than 60k and they'd have a conference title since fidel took power in cuba.

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How long has that moment lasted?

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Relatively speaking, not very long. The good news for tech is that we live in an instant gratification society and people have short memories. Tech's current students and recent alumni think they've always been good, always beat A & M and always compete for the Big XII South.

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I guess a better question is, how long do you think it will last?

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Hard to tell. Will Tubbs leave the offense alone as he has suggested or will he meddle in the offense if they struggle early? If Tubbs has success will he stay? Probably not. Tech isn't a destination school for guys like Tubberville. Not trying to be an ass here...just being realistic.

The bad news for tech that we live in an instant gratification society and people have short memories. A couple of bad seasons and tech will slip off the radar.

Kind of a b*tch that the thing that gets you noticed could also cause you to fade into the abyss.

This thread just keeps getting better every time I come back to visit.

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You would think that at a school where the only thing that matters is football, they would have some hardware.

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At first glance, yeah, you'd think that. Let's look a little deeper:

Tech doesn't compete in any sports. ANY. They haven't won a Big 12 mens conference title EVER. That being said, they're in way over there heads in the Big 12. They don't belong in this conference for both academic and athletic reasons. This is one of the reasons they're crazy about football. The Big 12 has schools that, traditionally, are known for football. By association, Tech thinks they're a part of this tradition as well.

You see, Tech's delusion stems from this basic reason. They're in the Big 12. They believe, by being associated with great football schools such as Oklahoma and Texas and occasionally upsetting them, they're 'one of the guys'. By being associated with stellar academic institutions like Texas and A&M, they believe they're somehow that much 'closer' to attaining Tier 1 status.

Had Tech been in a lesser conference such as CUSA or the MWC, where they could compete and win championships, we'd see a significant drop off in unwarranted, unsubstantiated smack from Red Raider fans. They would know their place and they wouldn't have their ego's inflated to the size of a Thanksgiving day Macy's Parade balloon. Their shoulders would look normal as the gigantic chip that currently resides there would subside. They'd be like U of H. Not a destination school, but still somewhat respectable with solid football programs that can compete within their conference.

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You see, Tech's delusion stems from this basic reason. They're in the Big 12. They believe, by being associated with great football schools such as Oklahoma and Texas and occasionally upsetting them, they're 'one of the guys'. By being associated with stellar academic institutions like Texas and A&M, they believe they're somehow that much 'closer' to attaining Tier 1 status.

Had Tech been in a lesser conference such as CUSA or the MWC, where they could compete and win championships, we'd see a significant drop off in unwarranted, unsubstantiated smack from Red Raider fans. They would know their place and they wouldn't have their ego's inflated to the size of a Thanksgiving day Macy's Parade balloon. Their shoulders would look normal as the gigantic chip that currently resides there would subside. They'd be like U of H. Not a destination school, but still somewhat respectable with solid football programs that can compete within their conference.

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Ouch...sometimes the truth hurts. I can already picture the tech reaction:

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They haven't won a Big 12 mens conference title EVER.

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They won the Big XII in baseball in 1997, i think.

They've been skunked otherwise, however.

surely they've won a men's conference title in something...

i'm so proud of rivalries right now.

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this thread makes me horny

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Tech's current students and recent alumni think they've always been good, always beat A & M and always compete for the Big XII South.

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how many years outside of the best seaon ever has tech actually competed for the South? I'll say that one year was pretty good but you are acting like that is the norm. OSU competed for the south this year. OSU competes for the south just as much as tech has recently.

txagbq2002 wrote: What difference does it make? Seriously, why does it matter to you at all? Would it make you feel better about yourself if we didn't? If Dan Beebe came out with a press release tomorrow stating that he threw A&M a bone for ****s and grins would it make your chest puff out just a bit more?

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Honestly, yes.  Despite Tech's recent success both on and off the field, in a contract negotiation which was driven by football Tech was shown that we do not exist in a meritocracy while the entire time being told we did.  Tech and other schools in the conference have continuously been told that the better you do the more t.v. exposure you get, and the larger the slice of the Big XII pie.  As Tech moved up the pecking order in the Big XII to the point that the Tech football program has a top 3 record in the conference since its inception we were told that it mattered.  We were told that our revenue would be based on those numbers. 

However, the aggie contract just proved that we do not exist in a meritocracy.  That no matter what Tech does on or off the field they are relegated to a certain position.  That is an incredibly frustrating fact.  It is bad enough that you guys and Texas get to play with funds not available to us, but taken from our backyard. No matter what we do as an institution the state and other two nationally known Big XII schools from Texas will always have more resources.  Furthermore, the Tier I legislation which was only voted down in BCS shows one particular group of people wants to keep it that way.  That particular group of individuals does not want any other school in the state to even believe they could ever be on a level playing field.  We will always have to do more with less in order to be successful.  In other words, the Big XII just told Tech "Hey, great job guys, but we are going to have to go ahead and tie that other hand behind your back as well while we give yet another advantage to your competition even though you have dominated them since the conference inception in the sport that we are telling you is the only one that matters." 

Before you go pounding your chest over the Big XII title that you guys do have, just remember KSU has one from the same time frame and was in the forgotten five.  Before you start discussing other sports remember KU in basketball was also in that group.  In the "what have you done for me lately" mentality present during the realignment talks Tech got shafted.  That's a fact. True, our south title in 2008 was shared, but it does still exist.  There is even "hardware" in the trophy case to show it. Not to mention all the hardware showing bowl victories, one of which came against the number three team in the country at the time.  There it is.  That is my frustration.

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We've had a massive revelation on RP. They're finally starting to realize the source of all of their butthurt.