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Gordo14
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62strat said:

Dan Scott said:

Everybody I know that has become a millionaire did so because they started their own business. You're not going to get rich working for somebody else. They said it takes hard work, ability to take risks, and a little luck.
just happen to go back to page 1 and saw this early reply.

Man how wrong is this.

Can't be a millionaire working for someone else.

Literally every person I know that has 7 figure net worth works(ed) for an employer their entire career.
My dad was a partial exception, he worked on his own for about 10 years of his career.


My wife has had one corporate job. I've had many corporate jobs. Early 30s. Crossed the $2MM threshold this year after hitting $1MM in 2021. Never put a dollar in crypto fwiw. Frankly our income has been going up very quickly the last two years. Now just evaluating risk/reward of a number of trajectories for our careers.
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Gordo14 said:

62strat said:

Dan Scott said:

Everybody I know that has become a millionaire did so because they started their own business. You're not going to get rich working for somebody else. They said it takes hard work, ability to take risks, and a little luck.
just happen to go back to page 1 and saw this early reply.

Man how wrong is this.

Can't be a millionaire working for someone else.

Literally every person I know that has 7 figure net worth works(ed) for an employer their entire career.
My dad was a partial exception, he worked on his own for about 10 years of his career.


My wife has had one corporate job. I've had many corporate jobs. Early 30s. Crossed the $2MM threshold this year after hitting $1MM in 2021. Never put a dollar in crypto fwiw. Frankly our income has been going up very quickly the last two years. Now just evaluating risk/reward of a number of trajectories for our careers.
insustry?
Gordo14
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Dicer said:

Gordo14 said:

62strat said:

Dan Scott said:

Everybody I know that has become a millionaire did so because they started their own business. You're not going to get rich working for somebody else. They said it takes hard work, ability to take risks, and a little luck.
just happen to go back to page 1 and saw this early reply.

Man how wrong is this.

Can't be a millionaire working for someone else.

Literally every person I know that has 7 figure net worth works(ed) for an employer their entire career.
My dad was a partial exception, he worked on his own for about 10 years of his career.


My wife has had one corporate job. I've had many corporate jobs. Early 30s. Crossed the $2MM threshold this year after hitting $1MM in 2021. Never put a dollar in crypto fwiw. Frankly our income has been going up very quickly the last two years. Now just evaluating risk/reward of a number of trajectories for our careers.
insustry?


Started as an engineer in O&G. Now a commodity trader. Wife is an engineer/manager.
La Bamba
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Gordo14 said:

Dicer said:

Gordo14 said:

62strat said:

Dan Scott said:

Everybody I know that has become a millionaire did so because they started their own business. You're not going to get rich working for somebody else. They said it takes hard work, ability to take risks, and a little luck.
just happen to go back to page 1 and saw this early reply.

Man how wrong is this.

Can't be a millionaire working for someone else.

Literally every person I know that has 7 figure net worth works(ed) for an employer their entire career.
My dad was a partial exception, he worked on his own for about 10 years of his career.


My wife has had one corporate job. I've had many corporate jobs. Early 30s. Crossed the $2MM threshold this year after hitting $1MM in 2021. Never put a dollar in crypto fwiw. Frankly our income has been going up very quickly the last two years. Now just evaluating risk/reward of a number of trajectories for our careers.
insustry?


Started as an engineer in O&G. Now a commodity trader. Wife is an engineer/manager.

How are your assets distributed? Just curious?
WestHoustonAg79
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infinity ag said:

Pacifico said:

You will. The first 1M is the hardest.

Yes, it took me 19 years after I started working and 18 after I started investing. most of those years I just muddled along making 10-15k gains each year. I would be thrilled just with that. The 2nd Mil came much quicker. I am on to many more since. These days I make a Mil of gain even in years when I don't do good investing (like 2024).

My ultimate goal is 20M. Don't ask me why, it just seems safe. I don't want to ever worry or penny pinch.


Are we supposed to believe this, like you are retired*?

Just trying to decipher where you are being truthful and being MFBarnes like. TA would like to know. And you shouldn't be so condescending to other.
Spaceship
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I'm 39 with three young kids and my wife is a SAHM. Our net worth breaks down roughly:

Home equity - $700k
401k - $426k
Cash/after tax brokerage - $164k
Total - $1.29M

I think we're doing okay although I wish we had more invested but we deferred more than we probably should in our 20's and early 30's while getting settled in life and renovating our current house. I'm hoping to really ramp that up over the next 5-7 years while I have the runway before retirement. My retirement goal is 21 more years, at age 60.
BenTheGoodAg
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Congrats - and doing it on one income. Way to go!

That family investment is worth more than the potential extra money.
Gordo14
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La Bamba said:

Gordo14 said:

Dicer said:

Gordo14 said:

62strat said:

Dan Scott said:

Everybody I know that has become a millionaire did so because they started their own business. You're not going to get rich working for somebody else. They said it takes hard work, ability to take risks, and a little luck.
just happen to go back to page 1 and saw this early reply.

Man how wrong is this.

Can't be a millionaire working for someone else.

Literally every person I know that has 7 figure net worth works(ed) for an employer their entire career.
My dad was a partial exception, he worked on his own for about 10 years of his career.


My wife has had one corporate job. I've had many corporate jobs. Early 30s. Crossed the $2MM threshold this year after hitting $1MM in 2021. Never put a dollar in crypto fwiw. Frankly our income has been going up very quickly the last two years. Now just evaluating risk/reward of a number of trajectories for our careers.
insustry?


Started as an engineer in O&G. Now a commodity trader. Wife is an engineer/manager.

How are your assets distributed? Just curious?


Ballparking it right now as $600k in 401k, $20k liquid cash. 1.4MM combined in personal brokerage accounts ($850K in mine $550K in hers). Not including RSUs and things that haven't vested.
La Bamba
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Y'all are killing it. Nice job!
Cyp0111
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Good work, those sales and trading bonuses hit different. Save them..
Complete Idiot
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It's interesting to read through the various thoughts on saving, this board/thread definitely leans towards the highly dedicated saver - obsessive, really, in many cases - and does not have any representation from the "oh crap I neglected this" or "I believe I earn money to spend it" camps.

Among the highly dedicated investors, it is interesting to see many came from a background where money was a real concern when they grew up. This is a common motivator to saving in the future, I hope some get counseling so they can best balance enjoyment vs saving for the future.

When comparing to national household averages, our portfolio size percent is at the same percentile as our annual household income percent. That feels right to me, and as long as I can average a 5% return on my money saved I should be able to maintain my standard of living through age 100. I definitely could have saved more, with the goal of retiring "rich" or retiring early, but that was not my personal choice.

If I somehow averaged a 7% return on my portfolio for the rest of my life, I'd really have to step up spending to personally enjoy it. I want to leave something for our 3 kids, but if I had to place a bet I don't think I live nearly as long as my financial planning would allow for.

It can never be said too much to young people - just set aside and save money from the beginning of your career. Setting aside and investing 15% of your income should put you in a great position to retire by 65 and maintain your lifestyle, if not be able to spend more in retirement or retire earlier than most.
Brian Earl Spilner
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Personally I think the goal should be to save at least 30%, and really more like 50% if you're single.
South Platte
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Spaceship said:

I'm 39 with three young kids and my wife is a SAHM. Our net worth breaks down roughly:

Home equity - $700k
401k - $426k
Cash/after tax brokerage - $164k
Total - $1.29M

I think we're doing okay although I wish we had more invested but we deferred more than we probably should in our 20's and early 30's while getting settled in life and renovating our current house. I'm hoping to really ramp that up over the next 5-7 years while I have the runway before retirement. My retirement goal is 21 more years, at age 60.

Some people are house poor; you're house rich. Nice job on that purchase.
Complete Idiot
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Personally I think the goal should be to save at least 30%, and really more like 50% if you're single.
Towards the goal I stated, I disagree. Towards a goal of becoming rich, maybe obscenely so relative to income, or to retire very early then I agree. Not everyone's main driver is to become rich or leave the work force early.
Cyp0111
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We're coming into year end right around $7.3. Spending has been higher than I like on a monthly basis but struggling keeping the wife focused. Using some div/int income to offset difference btw monthly salary and spending as my comp has grown pretty heavily weighted to bonus.

I had been really considering taking a step back as I just reached 40, however, got promoted this month to MD and now book/group lead so 45-48 is now exit goal for age.



bliverman
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Ew to this thread. What is your age / net worth metric?
A. G. Pennypacker
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anscag07 said:

Just curious, but is anyone here willing to admit that they have a total net worth of over a million dollars. I know this is a personal question, and not really anyone's business but their own.

Nut if they would be willing to share I would love to know what you think was the biggest factor in reaching that milestone.

Again sorry to pry, but I have been reading The Millionaire Next Door and it just got me to thinking...
consistently contributing to 401k since my first job out of college and time.
A. G. Pennypacker
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South Platte said:

Spaceship said:

I'm 39 with three young kids and my wife is a SAHM. Our net worth breaks down roughly:

Home equity - $700k
401k - $426k
Cash/after tax brokerage - $164k
Total - $1.29M

I think we're doing okay although I wish we had more invested but we deferred more than we probably should in our 20's and early 30's while getting settled in life and renovating our current house. I'm hoping to really ramp that up over the next 5-7 years while I have the runway before retirement. My retirement goal is 21 more years, at age 60.

Some people are house poor; you're house rich. Nice job on that purchase.
Technically - if it's you and your wife, you need to have net worth of $2 mil to be millionaires. But you're well on your way at 39.
chrisfield
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7.3M at age 40?! If so, well done
Cyp0111
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40

Investments:$5.5mm
Pre-Tax- $1.4
Post -Tax-$4.1

Other Stuff
Cash/MM: $500k
Home Equity: $750k
Various Real Estate and Other Investments: $1mm
YouBet
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Cyp0111 said:

40

Investments:$5.5mm
Pre-Tax- $1.4
Post -Tax-$4.1

Other Stuff
Cash/MM: $500k
Home Equity: $750k
Various Real Estate and Other Investments: $1mm



Rich.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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Complete Idiot said:

Brian Earl Spilner said:

Personally I think the goal should be to save at least 30%, and really more like 50% if you're single.
Towards the goal I stated, I disagree. Towards a goal of becoming rich, maybe obscenely so relative to income, or to retire very early then I agree. Not everyone's main driver is to become rich or leave the work force early.


On the other hand, why spend needlessly to put yourself in a position where you have to work until you're 60?

I don't even know how I'd spend that much money if I was saving only 15% of my income, other than recklessly and on stuff I don't need.

Basically you're trading out needless spending on "stuff" that will bring nothing to your life, for extra years you don't have to spend stuck in an office.

Focus on experiences, take trips every year, and maybe don't buy a new car every couple years or eat out several times a week.
MAS444
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On the other hand, why spend needlessly to put yourself in a position where you have to work until you're 60?

I don't even know how I'd spend that much money if I was saving only 15% of my income, other than recklessly and on stuff I don't need.
Geez man - I don't think anyone is talking about spending "needlessly" or "recklessly." Some people enjoy certain things in life that cost money. Kids cost money. Enjoying certain things with kids while you can costs money. I care much more about that than I do retiring before 60. I wouldn't retire before 60 anyway even if I could.

I understand retiring super early is a lot people's pipe dream and that's fine...but some people think differently and care more about other things.
Gordo14
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MAS444 said:

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On the other hand, why spend needlessly to put yourself in a position where you have to work until you're 60?

I don't even know how I'd spend that much money if I was saving only 15% of my income, other than recklessly and on stuff I don't need.
Geez man - I don't think anyone is talking about spending "needlessly" or "recklessly." Some people enjoy certain things in life that cost money. Kids cost money. Enjoying certain things with kids while you can costs money. I care much more about that than I do retiring before 60. I wouldn't retire before 60 anyway even if I could.

I understand retiring super early is a lot people's pipe dream and that's fine...but some people think differently and care more about other things.


Agreed. Especially because being young and doing cool things is much more valuable and certain than being old and doing cool things. I'm targetting 50-55ish for retirement. My goal right now is to do the things I want to do while I still can. It helps that I've never been one to spend money on cars, so might as well go to the places I want to go and travel the way I want to.
Brian Earl Spilner
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I literally specified focusing on experiences/travel, rather than "things".

I find that for most people that don't budget, a lot of money goes into categories that is not adding much to your life, whether it's overspending at restaurants, car payments, and that kind of thing.

Learning to budget and saving even a couple extra hundred bucks a month could translate to retiring several years earlier with not much change in your life.
herewegoagain
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Impressive. I'm 42 and knocking on the door of 5M.

My split is a bit atypical compared to yours and probably most others.

Investments: 1M
Cash/MM: 350k
Home equity: 1M
Real Estate: 2.2M (10 rent houses)
Vehicles, etc.: 150k
Complete Idiot
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

I literally specified focusing on experiences/travel, rather than "things".

I find that for most people that don't budget, a lot of money goes into categories that is not adding much to your life, whether it's overspending at restaurants, car payments, and that kind of thing.

Learning to budget and saving even a couple extra hundred bucks a month could translate to retiring several years earlier with not much change in your life.
I hope you are realizing you are painting with a very broad brush and making many assumptions about life decisions that are affected by thousands of variables.

Let's keep it simple, back to my first post that you responded to:

To Young People:
1) If you want to maintain your standard of living in retirement, and be able to comfortably retire at or before full SS retirement age, then putting aside 15% of your household salary starting job 1 and onward, if invested even in just an S&P 500 fund, will achieve this goal
2) If you want to retire early or achieve great wealth beyond the goal in item 1), then save/invest more than 15%


Whatever you are saving there are people that save much more and look at what you are spending money on and think it's frivolous. They hate travel and what you refer to as "experiences" and can't understand why you spend money on that. A thousand variables, millions of individual viewpoints.

Whatever someone else may be recklessly spending on, at the expense of retirement funds, there are people spending more and vastly in debt.

Many people like working and being productive, they like the social aspect of being part of a team, they may never want to retire no matter how much money they have. There are billionaires in their 80's still wanting to work, it's what they love. Many people don't even work in an office - just an example of a very basic assumption you made about everyone.

Many people have a budget and put money to church, charitable donations, their own own health, their kid's health care, health care for parents, sending money to family members, hobbies like golf or cycling with course fees and expensive gear, season tickets to sports or ballet. It's not the binary restaurants/mindless consumerism or travel examples you give. It's endless.

One person may not understand why someone buys fancy cars and watches, another person doesn't understand why someone wants to retire at 50 while not enjoying the money they earn fully when they are young.

Those discussions are endless, and very very personal. There is really no point telling someone the car or consumer item they bought didn't enhance their life, or that someone will forget the details of their trip and photos have zero resell value, they won't agree. Certainly reasonable to just challenge people with a "is where you are spending money making you happy, rewarding to you, beneficial?".

IF YOU WANT A COMFORTABLE RETIREMENT SAVE 15% OR MORE OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME OVER YOUR ENTIRE CAREER AND INVEST IT IN SOMETHING THAT HAS AN AVERAGE RETURN COMPARABLE TO THE S&P 500 OR BETTER
Petrino1
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MAS444 said:

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On the other hand, why spend needlessly to put yourself in a position where you have to work until you're 60?

I don't even know how I'd spend that much money if I was saving only 15% of my income, other than recklessly and on stuff I don't need.
Geez man - I don't think anyone is talking about spending "needlessly" or "recklessly." Some people enjoy certain things in life that cost money. Kids cost money. Enjoying certain things with kids while you can costs money. I care much more about that than I do retiring before 60. I wouldn't retire before 60 anyway even if I could.

I understand retiring super early is a lot people's pipe dream and that's fine...but some people think differently and care more about other things.
The problem with this mentality, is that a lot of us in the future may not have the option to work in our 50's and 60's if we want to for a variety of reasons. I know we think we are all indispensable, but the truth is jobs are a lot less stable these days even compared to 10-15 years ago. We are living in the era of mass layoffs, AI, ageism, offshoring to India, the "do more with less" mentality, things changing rapidly etc. Companies with record profits and stock prices are still doing mass layoffs.

A hot career 10 years ago may not be a hot career 10 years from now. Look at tech and software engineers today, or petroleum engineers and geologists through the booms and busts. Ive seen many people that were laid off and couldn't find a comparable salary/job after the lay off.

Its best to save/invest aggressively when you are young, because none of us know what the future holds regarding our careers, industries, and income. Ive been laid off twice in my career from "stable" jobs I thought I would be at forever, but thankfully I saved and invested enough so the layoff didnt affect me much financially. A lot of my peers weren't so lucky and they struggled a lot after being laid off. Having a lot of money in the bank gives you options, and the peace of mind knowing you can survive a layoff or emergency.

Statistics show that 40% of Americans get laid off at least once in their lifetime. The reality is that number will keep growing rapidly especially as AI advances, and its best to be prepared for this. Younger folks entering the work force now will have very little job stability throughout their careers compared to previous generations.
MAS444
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Lotta words to say the future is uncertain, which I don't think anyone disagrees with. All the more reason to enjoy your life. That doesn't mean spending irresponsibly/recklessly (for the ___th time). Or that it's not important to save/invest for the future. Those 2 things just don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Complete Idiot
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Petrino1 said:



Statistics show that 40% of Americans get laid off at least once in their lifetime.
14% of American men die between ages 15 and 60.

One of these statistics is vastly more impactful to nest egg enjoyment than the other.
Diggity
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half of statistics are made up
AgOutsideAustin
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Thank you youngsters that have " Texags" money for propping my old azz up in retirement soon.
gindaloon
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60% of the time it works every time.
Brian Earl Spilner
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And I think the vast majority of people can do much better than 15%. Though yes, not ALL. Nothing is an absolute.

I'm not sure why this seems to have bothered you so much, but agree to disagree I suppose.
 
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