2023 youth baseball/softball check-in

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Son in 11U walked-it-off LATE last Sunday night in extras to bring home a banner. He had a great tourney beind the plate and at the plate.

My daugther (8U) is still holding her own with the boys in a Sunday Doubler Header league, racking up hits.
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I have been lurking this thread for several months due to my daughter playing softball and haven't posted yet, but I have a story that I think a lot of you can relate to or appreciate. It's extremely long, so I apologize, but it's been a couple of weeks since this happened, and even though I've been able to digest it, I'm still on an emotional high, so hopefully writing this and sharing it is what is needed to come back down. Honestly, I can only imagine this is how I'd feel if the Aggies ever win the national championship, but we all have BAS and know that's not going to happen, so this fills that void quite nicely.

My daughter is currently a bracket pitcher on a 10U open class team. We've played 4 tournaments since the season began recently, and have 1 championship and 2 2nd place finishes. This is our 2nd go in the world of select as our first experience didn't go well as we were quickly exposed to all the non-softball stuff that goes along with it and what I would come learn is referred to as "daddy ball." Well, mainly I was exposed to it. My wife was a collegiate basketball player and played AAU basketball growing up, including being on a Houston Hoops team coached by Josh Pastner, so she was aware of how things worked.

There's a select team based in the facility we play rec ball in, and as normally happens, an 8U team was formed mainly with 8U girls from the rec league, and we were asked if we were interested in letting her try out. We asked her about it (she really had no clue what it was) and she wanted to do it. Her tryouts went well, but she still had a lot to work on. Honestly, they all did. Only 1 girl out there was a superstar (the HC's daughter). She ended up making the team because she could knock the crap out of the ball, so we were committed.

She started off shaky, as did many on the team as the step up in competition was apparent, even in C class (where we played all season). But after a couple of tournaments, they begin settling in. She was put into the outfield as that's where we figured she'd be, so we didn't think anything of it. She had a lot to work on and needed to develop. Well, she ended up developing quite well. She learned how to judge fly balls off the bats and to catch them (first step back, not running with her glove in the air, etc). She learned how to back up the other outfielders to be there if the ball got by, and when playing RF/LF, she learned to back up 1B/3B for any passed balls. She also wasn't scared to put her body in front of the ball to play the hops on line drives in order to keep it in front of her. It was clear her and another girl in the OF were setting themselves apart from the others. Well, clear to everyone but the HC.

We had another girl join the team a couple months in, which brought the total to 12 girls, and her playing time came at the expense of my daughter's. The girl they brought in was the daughter of one of the HC's friends, so he wasn't going to sit her no matter how she performed. She was fast though, no doubt. They were taking the field in the 3rd inning of a bracket game during a tournament and my daughter had yet to play in the field, so she had her mask and glove in hand waiting to be told where to go, but she was told to go back to the bench. One of the other coaches informed the HC she hadn't played yet, and his response was "you can put her in, but that's on you." Uhh, the bleachers and dugouts aren't that far apart, buddy. My wife and I heard that loud and clear, but we bit our tongues. That inning, she played RC and thew a girl out at 2nd after backing up the girl in LC who didn't get her glove on the ground. A couple batters later, she caught a fly ball to CF to end the game. That half inning is burned into my memory because of what was said.

Aside from noticing her sitting, we also noticed that every other girl got to play on the infield some during pool games. Some. He tended to have his IF set. Same girl at 1B, 2B, SS, P, etc. No changing them during bracket games and maybe an inning off during pool games. 3B was a rotating door. More on that later. After a few more tournaments since the comment above, my wife and I decided to speak to the coach about her playing time and development at other positions. That meeting didn't go well at all. Just a quick note…after college, my wife coached basketball for several years at a 4A HS, with a few deep playoff runs. My MIL was a HS coach as well, so the little details matter a lot to her, and she approached the conversation as a coach.

It started off respectful, but he quickly told us that he felt she hasn't developed as he thought she would and that she was probably the worst girl on the team. We didn't agree, and when we pressed him on why he felt that way, he had nothing and got angry. Really angry. My wife then asked why he is not developing the girls at multiple positions so they got to learn the game of softball, and how 8U isn't where you put girls and leave them. He responded with, and I quote word-for word…"If you don't like how I run my team, go start your own." Welp, that was the nail in the coffin for my wife. No going back now. The cherry on top was his wife called my wife that night after she heard what happened, because both he and I let our tempers get the best of us. Not my best moment, but I only matched what he gave. That conversation didn't go well at all. My wife hung up the phone and let out a huge "WTF?!" I asked what that was about, and she told me that she asked her "do you ever work with her" and "do you even think she can make another team?" We committed to going to a WS with them in another state, so after that, we were done.

WS came around and it seemed my daughter and 1 other girl showed up to play. She normally batted 9th, but was batting 3rd come bracket time due to how well she was hitting. First bracket game, 2 run HR (in the park…whatever, it counts). But still put into the OF. First inning ended on an overthrow to 1B where my daughter was backing up from RF, and then threw a girl out at home. 2nd inning ended on a pop fly to RC that she caught. Game ended with her on the bench and the new girl mentioned above letting a grounder to the OF go under her glove to the fence with nobody backing her up, and allowing the winning runs to score. 2nd bracket game, they all played like crap, so it was a great experience for them, but an early exit. We have 2 younger boys as well who were troopers with following their sister around for softball, so we made the final couple days about them and had a good mini vacation.

3rd base mentioned above. The primary girl he played at 3B was not built for the position. The issue is the position she should play was where the HC's daughter plays. That's also why my daughter never got to play the infield. She's a big lefty, so that's her natural IF position. My daughter isn't big as fat, she's big as in she's tall, lean, and built (same build as my wife, who is 6'). I'm confident that she's stronger than probably 1/3 of the boys in her grade at her school. Looking at her, you know she's not in the marching band…not that there's anything wrong with that. Anyway, that girl ended up joining another team during the season since she wasn't going to get any development where she needed to be, and her dad saw the improvement my daughter had made, and asked if we'd want to come try out for their team. When we got back from the WS, we took a couple weeks off and went to the try outs. After the 1st try out, she asked why she wasn't playing on her old team, and I told her that we didn't think she was getting developed how she should, and she asked "they don't think I'm good enough, do they?" My heart sank, and I told her "they made their mind up about you when the season started." Anyway, we went to a few practices with this team and played in a scrimmage, which was against a 2nd year 12U team. Why they did that, I have no clue. A 1st year 10U team is no match for a 2nd year 12U team. They don't have the bat speed to hit the ball. They got raked. We show up to the next practice and nobody is there. I text the dad who asked us to come out, and he responded with "she (the HC) didn't tell you? She didn't make the team." I told my daughter they had cancelled practice, but she asked "I didn't make the team, did I?" I fought back tears and told her that she didn't. She said, "that's OK, I didn't like those girls anyway."

On the way home, she asked if she could learn to pitch, and I told her we'd look into it if she wanted to. She said she did, so my wife began asking around in her coaching circle and got in touch with a well known pitching coach in our area. She agreed to take her on, so right after school started last year, she took her first lesson. It was a rough start, but she was determined and we worked with her several times throughout the week. We started seeing improvement a few weeks in, but still had a long way to go. She wanted to play fall ball, and a couple of coaches she loved (they were also really good coaches) were able to get her as most went after the select girls who were pool pitchers and wanted to work on pitching. They knew she was taking lessons, but my wife and I were pretty clear that we didn't want her to pitch yet. We wanted her to get her mechanics down, become consistent, and most importantly, gain the mental strength needed. We asked them to help her develop at 1B, and they were true to their word. They put her at 1B and worked with her with her on everything from footwork to digging balls, and one of the dad's on the team played 1B in college, so he spent some time with her as well. She developed into a pretty good first baseman. We'd often stay after practice and she'd pitch to me, and they kept begging me to let her pitch as the primary pitcher was on the older select team out of the league, but there was no good 2nd. We continued to tell them it wasn't the time. The league had a tournament at the end of the season among the league teams in each level, and we decided to let her give it a go just to see where she was. It went OK. Command was the big thing. She was all over the place, and as girls walked and stole bases on bad pitches, she'd get overwhelmed and seemed to let her emotions take over. The coaches would go out and calm her down, and she'd regroup and move on. Each inning ended in her walking in the max runs. Not the best outings, but good experience and gave us (my wife mostly) a baseline on where she was. Her select HC was coaching a team and got the bracket pitcher from the team our select pitcher played on. Why she played league is still a mystery. She just mowed everyone down. During the tournament, I was standing behind home and she blew one past my daughter, who didn't get the bat around fast enough. That HC's wife (from the phone call) did an overly dramatic "yeah, great pitch! Look at that speed!" The next pitch, my daughter sent it to CF. I looked over and her lips looked like she had been sucking lemons.

My father-in-law, who is retired and apparently doesn't know what to spend his money on, sees she likes pitching and my middle son is getting into baseball, decides to build a 50' batting cage in his back yard and to buy a Juggs machine for them to use. We spend the next few months working with her on pitching and hitting (my son as well) multiple times a week after school, preparing for the spring.

Spring rolls around and she's on a team with a coach that has no clue what he's doing (I'm an assistant trying to guide him, but he knows it all) with 90% girls who have never played softball before. They were a bad team, but my daughter had come into her own at pitcher. It became clear pretty early that she was the best in the league. There were only a couple of girls that could hit her. The way our league operates is she could only pitch 2 innings, so we'd go into the 3rd inning her giving up 0 or 1 run, but end up losing because nobody outside of her could hit, so they just pitched around her and took the free max runs via walks our 2nd pitcher would give up. As one of the other coaches would always tell me "you have the best pitcher in the league on the worst team in the league." She was frustrated, but I kept telling her she's doing it for reps. I also think it made her mentally tougher as well.

She obviously made all stars. The all star coach played softball at Tech, and had a daughter that was a really good pitcher as well and was on our 8U select team. She took her daughter off that team for similar reasons we did. She was in on the rotation at 3B, but she was a good catcher. The HC didn't think so because he already had his catcher for the future. Anyway, our all star team was really good. Practices were intense and the coaching staff asked a lot of the girls, and they responded. We were also about 50/50 on girls aging up, so we had a really good MIF with experienced girls, and 3 very solid pitchers.

We go play our first tournament, and ended up playing a team from the same home field as the select team who didn't bother to call us to let us know. Then I noticed who the coaches were and they were the select coaches. The dad who asked us to come try out was at the tournament (dude is all in) to watch, but his daughter didn't play rec that season. He told us that a lot of their team also plays rec, so during all stars, they go collect rings. That's nice to hear. They beat us, sending us to the loser's bracket. Our coach decides to pitch our #3 pitcher in that loser's bracket game and save my daughter in case she gets in a bind, but if we win, she'll be available for the championship. #3 was locked in as much as the bats, and we made quick work of them, setting us up in the championship for a winner take all.

Game gets underway and their pitcher makes quick work of us in the top of the inning. It's my daughter's first time pitching against a team that plays games on the bases, so they end up getting 3 in the first, but she fanned 2 and got a called strike 3 to end the inning. Top of the 2nd was the much of the same for us. My daughter goes back out and gives up just 1. Going to the top of the 3rd, they lead 4-0, needing 3 outs to win. 2 quick outs and our bats decide to wake up. We put up 5 and take a 1 run lead into the bottom of the inning. We get 2 quick outs, then they get a walk and then a hit to CF. Our CF did a great job and got the ball in quickly, with them having the tying run at third and winning run at second. Batter gets up and my daughter goes up 0-2 on her pretty quickly. Hitter works the count full while our catcher (the coach's daughter) is a wall and not allowing anything by her for them to tie. Full count, and my daughter hits it low and outside, called strike 3. Catcher just holds her glove there to make sure the ump saw it. Champions. During the ring ceremony, none of their girls came over to shake the hands of our girls and the coaches didn't say anything to our coaches either. No congratulations or good job. Nothing. Probably a good thing we didn't get on that team.

We play 4 all star tournaments, winning 2 and taking 2nd in another. Not a bad mini-season, and for my daughter, a step up in competition from a pitching perspective while learning how to control her emotions. She did very well and grew a lot mentally. So with that, it was obvious she had outgrown rec and she wanted to move back into select. After going to tryouts for a few different teams (offered for all), we ended up joining a team who had a few girls age up, including their #1 pitcher. She loves the girls and the coach is big on knowing the game, so every girl plays 2 positions. Pitchers play 3 (P, IF, OF). When she's not pitching, she's at 1B, LF, or taking a seat. The way it should be, IMO.

If you've read all of this, I'm sorry…and congrats? I feel you needed to know her journey to enjoy the payoff.

We show up to a tournament a couple of weeks ago and I see her old 8U team is in it. Pretty much the exact same team, with a couple of stragglers leaving after the 2nd year and the addition of a good bracket pitcher. I go over to look at the bracket, and sure enough, we're facing them in our first bracket game. Our #2 pitcher wasn't able to make it, so the daughter of the all star coach picked up with us to be our #2 for the weekend. I went over to our coach and told him "I don't want to tell you how to run your team, but don't forget she has history with that team as well and is a catcher." He smiled and said "oh yeah, she is a catcher, isn't she."

During one of their pool games, I went over to talk to one of the dads to catch up because I have no issue with the parents or any of the girls. I asked how they were doing and how the team was looking, and he told me they're doing good, and that one of the girls is starting to "throw missiles" but needed to get her control down. He said she was hitting 42-43 with her FB. I was like "yeah, that's fast" but inside I chuckled because a few pitching lessons ago, my daughter's pitching coach wanted to see what she was throwing, and clocked a 47 average FB and a 40 average CU. If they think 43 is fast, they're not touching someone flirting with 50.

Game time. Ace vs. Ace with the pickup player catching. We're the home team, my daughter comes up, fans the first batter. Fans the 2nd batter. Called strike 3 with the 3rd. 3 up 3 down on like 15 pitches. And each swing was way behind the ball, with a couple of foul tips. They weren't used to that. Bottom half of the inning we get a couple of walks and hits and take a 2-0 lead into the 2nd. My daughter walks the lead off, and then drills the 2nd batter in the ribs. The thump from when it hit her was loud. I still feel bad for her, and my daughter was squatted down and looked devastated. She loves all those girls and goes to school with a couple. Batter gets up, not crying (tough, that's for sure) and my daughter stops her halfway to first to apologize and give her a hug. Of course, as a crowd, we all go "awwweeee." Never lose your heart, baby girl. Next pitch is a wild pitch, so they're now on 2nd and 3rd. Her coach walks out of the dugout, says something to her to settle her down, and she refocuses. A couple pitches later, the batter pool ques a change up off the tip of her bat towards SS, who bobbles the ball, and then rushes the throw to first, over throwing her. 2 come in to score and hitter is on 3rd. Next batter comes up and bunts. Catcher grabs the ball, looks 3, and throws 1. As soon as she threw it, 3rd took off (girl from earlier that's fast). Beats throw home. Dammit. Down 3-2. A couple more strike outs, and we go into the bottom half of 2. Bottom of our lineup doesn't do much, so go into third inning down by 1. Daughter comes up fans the 1st, walks the 2nd, and lets the ump ring up the other 2. Times expired, finish the inning. Go to the bottom of the 3rd, needing to score 1 to tie and 2 to win. By this time, their ace was tired, and our girls sat back and let her throw balls. 2 on and no outs, the coach pulled her and put in another pitcher and our girls took advantage. The first hitter she faced tied the game and put the winning run on 3rd. Next pitch was a wild pitch, and we steal home to walk it off. Winners! We go home and they stay late and play for a chance to play at 8 on Sunday. They lose. We ended up taking 2nd in the tournament.

After the game, I was catching up with some of the parents and the HC came over and said "she looks really good. We're not used to seeing that speed with that consistency." I thanked him and told him she had worked hard and that they had a solid team as well. For me, what I carried around for a year was gone. She proved to him that he was wrong, and he now sees it. What happens going forward means nothing. We'll play them again in future tournaments, and they'll get us and we'll get them. No biggie. The first one was the most important. As the lyric in the song "Little Rock" goes…"Jesus would forgive, but a daddy don't forget."

How much longer she plays is up to her. As long as she's having fun and willing to put in the work, we'll be right there with her. We also have her play other sports like basketball and volleyball to help with burnout, and she's heavily involved with school activities as well. But at this time, she still loves it.

My wife usually comes to the games later due to the boys and their activities, so it's usually my daughter riding with me to and from tournaments. It's honestly my favorite part of softball, and I hope I get the same with my boys in the future. Driving home that night, I'm listening to whatever college football game was on the radio while she was playing a game on my phone. After miles of silence, she says "daddy?" I said "yeah?" And then she said "I am good enough" and went back to playing her game. The humidity in that car went through the roof as I made the rest of the drive home with tears going down my face. She held onto it as well and I had no idea.

You're 2-0 against coaches who said you weren't. 2-0, baby girl.
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have to admit, I skipped to the end, but glad it worked out great for your daughter!
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Thanks. Yeah, after I posted it, I was like holy trap that's long. Oh well.
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aTm2004 said:

Thanks. Yeah, after I posted it, I was like holy trap that's long. Oh well.

Let me see if I can offer the TL/DR summary:

- daughter started playing select softball at 8
- despite doing pretty well she got shafted/cut by a "Daddy ball team" after her first season
- was cut or not picked by some other teams
- she persevered and kept working
- now at 12, she's better than the players on the teams she got cut/not picked for

Do I have that correct?

I read the whole thing and while it got to be hard to follow -maybe a flow-chart or some other visual aids would help . But it sounds like a gratifying experience for you and your daughter so congratulations on her growth and success. As parents it definitely sucks to see your kid hurt or struggle but stay the course. Who your kid is on the field at 8 or 12 or even 14 isn't likely to be who they are in HS. Kids mature and grow at different paces. And while lots of folks don't want to hear it, genetics is a massive key and it sounds like your daughter (and probably your other kids too) have got some great genes. I'm assuming that if your wife is 6'0" you're taller than her so your kids will all be tall. That's huge, no pun intended.

Both of my kids are boys so it's a different experience but of course we have friends with girls. One family in particular has kids who are or are going to be stud athletes. The dad is 6'10" and played basketball at A&M and the mom is 5'10". They have a daughter who is a senior in HS and is almost 6'2" and can jump out of the gym- she's committed to play volleyball at HCU which is D1 and has won the Southland Conference a couple seasons in a row. But, as much of a stud as she is, she's been a bit of a late bloomer and played on the #1 club team in Texas (#3 in the country this past year) so while she's better than HCU she was outshone by a couple girls going to play at national-title contender programs. But, those girls also were 6'0" tall at 13 and are unicorns. This girl is still growing a bit and has her best in front of her. They also have an 8th grade daughter who is almost 5'11" and is starting to grow into her own as a player too. Their son is in 6th grade and is going to end up a 6'6" left tackle.

Point being- stay the course. Teach your kids to love the game, embrace the suck (ie- hard work off the field), and let them grow. Don't worry about having your kid be the best at 12 and winning rings or whatever they give out for softball tournaments. Worry about them reaching an elite level, if they want it, at 16 or 17.

Control what you can control- attitude, effort, and intensity. The rest will come.
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TarponChaser said:

aTm2004 said:

Thanks. Yeah, after I posted it, I was like holy trap that's long. Oh well.

Let me see if I can offer the TL/DR summary:

- daughter started playing select softball at 8 Started at 6, first select was at 8 on a 8U team
- despite doing pretty well she got shafted/cut by a "Daddy ball team" after her first season Yep
- was cut or not picked by some other teams Tried out for 1 other team, but they didn't even tell us she didn't make the team
- she persevered and kept working
- now at 12, she's better than the players on the teams she got cut/not picked for She's 10 and still has the fall and next spring/summer in 10U. Started pitching August 2022, worked on mechanics and mental toughness last fall/winter, rocked it in league and all stars, now #1 bracket pitcher on open class team.

Do I have that correct?

I read the whole thing and while it got to be hard to follow -maybe a flow-chart or some other visual aids would help . But it sounds like a gratifying experience for you and your daughter so congratulations on her growth and success. As parents it definitely sucks to see your kid hurt or struggle but stay the course. Who your kid is on the field at 8 or 12 or even 14 isn't likely to be who they are in HS. Kids mature and grow at different paces. And while lots of folks don't want to hear it, genetics is a massive key and it sounds like your daughter (and probably your other kids too) have got some great genes. I'm assuming that if your wife is 6'0" you're taller than her so your kids will all be tall. That's huge, no pun intended.
They do mature at different ages and develop differently, and I think that's why we were so turned off by the coach and that experience. Is my daughter better than everyone on that team? No. But she'd have zero problem making it with an objective coach, even if she didn't pitch. Coupled with it seems she's turning into a pretty good pitcher, she's doing alright. Still a long way to go, and how long it lasts is still up to her. I think the big thing was that my wife and I didn't get into the clique among the parents.

Burnout is one of the things my wife is big on as she got burned out on basketball. She only played in college because she wanted the experience and her parents wanted her to as well, not because she loved it anymore. That's why she's big on multiple sports. Don't care what it is, you're doing something and not sitting on an iPad on the weekends, and our weekends suck (in a good way) now. A lot of Aggie football watching via iPhone.

And I bring down the athletic genes of the family, though I'm also 6'. During our wedding, my wife had to wear flats so she wasn't looking down at me. Her brother played football in Michigan and her sister was a good volleyball player, but didn't have the height for college, so she went to a big school as a normal student vs a small school as an athlete. I'm hoping my kids got more of her genes than mine. The one thing she did get from my wife is her ability to tune out everything and focus. Not kidding, there are times I have to yell at my wife to get her attention, and then she gets mad at me for yelling at her. WTF? Our daughter has the same. I've asked if she hears the other girls in the dugout mocking and doing their chants, and she said she doesn't. Knowing my wife, no reason to doubt her.

Quote:

Control what you can control- attitude, effort, and intensity. The rest will come.
It's funny you say that. The cheap glove she used in 8U was tearing up, so I ordered her one from 44 Pro and had "Attitude & Effort" stitched on the thumb. I always tell her that's the only 2 things she has complete control over. My hope is she gets in a bind, looks down, reads it, and resets.
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I don't recall where I first heard it but I've been using it for years with my boys.

I'm trying to push them without being too demanding. I don't want them to be so concerned about letting me down or performing that they're too scared to try. Every elite athlete will tell you that fear of failure actually guarantees that you will fail. So if I can get them to understand that failure is inevitable to an extent (especially in baseball) then all you can do is give 100% effort, have a great attitude, and be 100% focused & present (ie- intensity) on what you're supposed to be doing then it will all work out.

You're going to make errors, you're going to strike out, etc. And in all sports you'll eventually run up against somebody who is just bigger, badder, faster, and better than you are so all you can do is work harder and if you can tell me you've done your absolute best in those 3 things then I'll never have a bad word to say.
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I first heard it from Jimbo.
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aTm2004 said:

I first heard it from Jimbo.

Regardless of where we heard it, it's a great message. Trying to drill into my boys that even the best make mistakes or aren't always successful but if you give your absolute best in those areas you control and work your tail off things will work out.

Getting them to understand that fear of failure or making mistakes is guaranteed to make them fail so the only way to be successful is to embrace that risk and push through it.
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great podcast discussing the shortcomings of youth baseball in developing talent and how the focus on winning rings early on hinders development:

90th Percentile: The Exposure Funnel With Perfect Game's Brian Sakowski
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Been lurking around a while, so I figured I would join in the fun. I grew up in the Houston area, and most of my childhood through High School revolved around competitive baseball. Spent several years as an adult coaching HS baseball and had become turned off by what youth baseball had (and has) become; the hyper competitiveness, angry parent mob scene, life consuming pursuit to always get those tourney rings.

My son turned 9 this fall and I had really never once suggested he play organized baseball due to my predispositions. We play a ton of wiffle ball in the backyard and follow the Cubs during the MLB season. I just wanted him to enjoy the game without the pressure I always faced. This summer he finally made his own decision and was determined to play on a baseball team, so we signed him up in the local LL. He couldn't really even play catch a few months ago but was determined to try it out. He put in a ton of work this summer - throwing, catching, hitting, fielding, etc. - almost all the work we would did in the backyard would always be initiated from him. Usually after work when it was 105 degrees out.

Fall season is just about over now and he's definitely hooked. Drive home after every game is silent just because he's mad the game is over. He is already looking forward to the spring "competitive" season. He's done pretty decent for coming in as a 9 year old in a 10U league having never played before. One of the few kids putting the ball in play on a regular basis. Fielding is another story and has a ways to go, but they all do at this age. He even got on the mound last game even though I told him not to; he was just determined to give it a go since the outfield was boring.

I appreciate everyone's insights I have read through on here; one thing I will add to the fire is that my philosophy as a dad and coach has and always will be developing a love of the game. Yes, that means having "fun" is the goal above winning. I agree that reps are the best way to get better at baseball, but kids aren't going to want to put in the reps if they don't love it. They won't listen when talking about situations. Sure, they may like it OK, but that fire is easily extinguished. I know my fire was gone early when I was a kid, so a lot of my career was just grinding it out to please my parents. As evidence from my son, his love of the game so far means he's the one begging for me to throw BP to him, hit grounders, and going through his throwing progressions together, etc. So I would encourage all you parents to remember the game can be a lot of fun, if we allow it to be. We can also ruin it fairly quickly too. Check in with them and ask - don't just assume they are enjoying it. Personally, I am thankful for this season, because I was pretty jaded but feel energized again seeing his passion for the game.

Who knows how long this will last or what the future holds; for now I need to figure out if I need to think about coaching this next spring!
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That's great your boy is loving it.

There's craziness all around us, regardless of the sport. The best we can do is try to tune it out. Focus on getting your kid to love the game (whatever it is), learn to work hard, be a good teammate, and always put forth his or her best effort.

I make no apologies for having high expectations of my boys but the off-the-field stuff comes first. School work and being a good person are non-negotiable things. As for sports, our commitment as parents will match their commitment. Give 100% in what you can control: attitude, effort, and intensity. You do that and things will work out.
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Finished up three leagues this week.


kid one (not good at baseball) - finished at .400 in coach pitch. started hot and then fizzled until last game, dropping one on the fence, going 2 for 3 and even tagging a kid out hard enough to remove the kid from the game. maybe football is right for him!


kid two - played two leagues this fall. .625 in rec league w only 1 SO and 1 BB and .500 in AA and one AAA weekend in kid pitch. pitched one game in rec league and finished off 13 batters when he had never gone more than 5 in previous seasons.


I am crazy ready for other sports after this fall
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Couple tournaments left this fall for both boys.

The 13-year old has played on 2 teams in his 14U age group within the organization. The record with those teams (when he's played on them) is 11-5-2. He's hitting .468 with a 1.12 OPS. He tweaked his left knee in football so while he never missed any baseball games he couldn't pitch for a while since that was the leg he landed on and it absorbed all the force down the mound but he's pitched 7.2 innings, has 10Ks, and 3 ER. He's been a little wild with 8 walks but opponents are only hitting .148 against him with a .528 OPS, and a 1.57 WHIP.

He also had a goal to throw 75 by Christmas and hit 80 before he turns 14 next July. Well, he blew right past that and hit 78 on the gun a couple weeks ago. Guess we need to move up the timetable on hitting 80mph.

The 9-year old's fall has been a colossal ****-show. No complaints about his playing time or where he's playing/hitting but there's so much drama and BS from his coach that despite the team having a pretty respectable record, being runner up a couple times, and winning a tournament that we're 100% not coming back.

Stuff like:
- coach yelling at kids for failing to do stuff in games but that he's neglected to coach them up on in practice; these are kids playing kid-pitch for the first time, there's a lot they don't know. You can't expect them to learn baseball by osmosis. You have to coach the up constantly to get through to them. Hell, the coaches for my older boy's teams (multiple teams practice together) are on them every single rep to get them to do it correctly. If they've been coached up 3-4 times and still don't do it, then the coaches jump their asses but they don't just assume 9-year olds know exactly who the cut-off man is in any situation and who should be backing up where.

- coach getting pissed for the boys not being fully engaged mentally (remember these are 8 & 9-year olds) but if we have a game that starts at say 4pm and we're supposed to be there at 3, he's rolling up at 3:15 and the boys still don't start getting warmed up until about 3:30-3:40 which isn't enough time. Kids this age need the coach on them during warm-ups to get mentally engaged

- coach constantly rejiggering the practice and tournament schedules without consulting families

- coach being super negative to the point where lots of previously upbeat kids are regressing, especially at the plate, where you can see them being tentative while the coach is yelling at them.

I am 100% cool with being hard on the boys and demanding but at 8-9 years old they need more positive reinforcement than they do getting yelled at. Coach him up but it's gonna take more than just 1-2 times of instruction to get the message through.
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I'm questioning some things so far this Fall. We are 11 Major, and mostly playing 12aaa now. Started off getting bombed in an NiT, but it didn't really help that we drew a Banditos team that is one of the best in the country twice. I wasn't too worried about that tourney. We can compete with most 11u major teams, just not the very top tier.

12aaa has been a struggle for a lot of our kids. We are 7-7 on the year, so it's not that bad. It's just that half my team is totally blown away by 65+ which we see often. Puberty starts for those kids and mine are physically overmatched. We pitch well, play great D, and run the bases. We aren't really getting blown out. I'm just thinking it isn't really fair to about half my kids when they have no chance at the plate. I don't know that they are getting any better from this.

They should have more 11Open tourneys for us to play in for the spring. If not, I think I'm going to have to ask to move down.
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Should be a lot more 11maj events in the spring. I agree about 12U. That's when it gets weird with some kids who are grown men and some who are still little kids. You'll see 4'10" 12-year olds playing kids who are 6'0" throwing 70+. 12U to 14U is where you see the biggest physical disparities.

Play where you can reasonably compete.
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We got no-hit a few weeks ago by a kid with a mustache sitting 68-70. We lost the game 3-1, so we are being competitive.

It's just tough for me to watch my 4-5 kids walking to the plate thinking they don't have a chance. They are either bunting or hoping for a walk. They are very good players, but they need to be facing pitching 8-10 mph slower.
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PhatMack19 said:

We got no-hit a few weeks ago by a kid with a mustache sitting 68-70. We lost the game 3-1, so we are being competitive.

It's just tough for me to watch my 4-5 kids walking to the plate thinking they don't have a chance. They are either bunting or hoping for a walk. They are very good players, but they need to be facing pitching 8-10 mph slower.

I 100% get it.

I've talked about how both of my boys have summer birthdays so they're the youngest kids in their respective grades. My 9-year old is currently playing his age level but we're looking at jumping him from 9U to 10U in the spring to play with his graduating class.

Our oldest made that jump going from 10U over 11U to 12U. And he went from 10AAA to 12AAA. At the beginning of that 12U spring he was one of the biggest on the team but there's a whole world of difference in a kid who is like 5'5" 120# and has started to hit puberty and a kid who is 5'6" 140# and nowhere close to puberty. He started off strong but broke his wrist, missed time, and while he finished strong he was somewhat overmatched at the plate. In large part because of never really seeing kids throwing a curve for strikes at 10U to seeing almost EVERY kid being able to throw a curve for strikes at 12U.

There was also a lot of variation in competition. If a kid was throwing up to about 70-72 in 12U he could handle it and so could most all of his roster but we also faced kids throwing 78-82 who were grown-ass men and they couldn't come close to handling that.

And when that 12U team went to 13U was right after the Gulf Coast Marlins team he was playing for was bought by the Wildcatters and the 12AAA went to 13majors and he was cut. He was devastated. But to the credit of his former coaches (with whom we're still pretty close and in regular contact with) they were up front about what he needed to do to improve and play at the major level. Namely spend a lot of time on S&C and gain more confidence.

He took that to heart and really busts his ass on S&C and all the extra work. Mama and I have to sometimes get him to pull back and take a night off occasionally. But even though he's still a year younger than most of his grade-level peers and hasn't fully hit puberty he's 5'11" and a rangy 165'ish who can really run and move. He's still physically behind some of the older kids in his grade who have hit full-on puberty a while back but he's not close to peaking yet. You can still see his baby-face.

And he's now at a point where the same coach who cut him in August of 2022 wants him back for his 14major team that's really strong. Plus, if he joined that team almost half the roster will be going to the same HS next year. As an aside, keep an eye on Summer Creek baseball for the class of 2028, it should be really really strong.

Anyway, that's a very long-winded way of saying...

TL/DR: do everything possible to keep the boys positive, play the long-game, and play the toughest competition you can because it will pay off in the end.
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Anyone have a batting tee they recommend? Have gone through 2 now in the last couple of years.
TarponChaser
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Got one of these and probably 5 years going strong.

https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/p/jugs-pro-style-batting-tee-16jugujgsprstyltxtra/16jugujgsprstyltxtra
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My son has used a Tanner tee since he was 10 and we've gotten a lot of use from it.
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I'm recruiting for my 5 yr old's 6U select team next year. We going to Williamsport in 6 years.

Seriously, what's the point of this?



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The only thing I never see talked about here, is Cooperstown. I know we are already missing the place and have plans to travel back there at some point. If you can get your team there, or your kid, please don't pass up the opportunity.

The baseball is fantastic, and the weather is a true reprieve from the Texas weather, at that time of the year. We never found a bad restaurant. The locals were super nice and upstate NY is beautiful. Also, if you fly into Syracuse, Turning Stone Casino is worth spending a day or two at.. Oh, and watching your kid hit homerun(s) is fun as well.
























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Little bit of a vent session here so bear with me!

9u team where almost all of the kids have been together since t ball and up. We have made some additions along the way, but the bulk of the team has been together for many seasons. I am the head coach of the team and have been since day 1 with these boys.

We recently moved leagues, 1 year ago, to be in a more competitive environment and have mixed in some USSSA tournaments as well. We have always been in the mix and have finished middle of the pack in our competitive league the past 2 seasons. We came from a very rec league over to a league where it's team registration only. We held our own, but didn't win any league championships.

I just got word that 2 of our better and more seasoned players are moving to another team in our league for next season. One of the players, the dad has been a coach with me for 2 years. I asked both parents why they are choosing to move and they said because they want to be in a more competitive environment. The team they moved to, won 2 more games than us in the regular season (out of 14) and got run ruled first round of end of season tournament.

All of these boys are 8 and 9 years old, and playing at a high level for their age.

I grew up playing baseball, played competitively and have seen a lot of "ring" or "win" chasing. They are still developing and gathering skills.

I knew we would get to this point some day with parents, but dang, didn't know it would be this early!!!!!!
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You'll be better off. Stick to cultivating a fun, character building atmosphere on your team focusing on the basics of the game. Let the ring chasers go have at it.
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DBill said:

Little bit of a vent session here so bear with me!

9u team where almost all of the kids have been together since t ball and up. We have made some additions along the way, but the bulk of the team has been together for many seasons. I am the head coach of the team and have been since day 1 with these boys.

We recently moved leagues, 1 year ago, to be in a more competitive environment and have mixed in some USSSA tournaments as well. We have always been in the mix and have finished middle of the pack in our competitive league the past 2 seasons. We came from a very rec league over to a league where it's team registration only. We held our own, but didn't win any league championships.

I just got word that 2 of our better and more seasoned players are moving to another team in our league for next season. One of the players, the dad has been a coach with me for 2 years. I asked both parents why they are choosing to move and they said because they want to be in a more competitive environment. The team they moved to, won 2 more games than us in the regular season (out of 14) and got run ruled first round of end of season tournament.

All of these boys are 8 and 9 years old, and playing at a high level for their age.

I grew up playing baseball, played competitively and have seen a lot of "ring" or "win" chasing. They are still developing and gathering skills.

I knew we would get to this point some day with parents, but dang, didn't know it would be this early!!!!!!
That is select baseball. A lot of parents think their kid is much better than they actually are. I did not see not one team that didn't have jumpers. My advice is to just make sure your own kid is enjoying it. It should be about them and not about the parents.
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Of course, if you do play those guys next season, you know what to do.
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We ask our son after every season and before every season if he wants to play again, and it's always a yes. Mostly because he's playing with friends and having fun. Which is what it should be about.

One of the players leaving is one of our sons best friends at school. I'm not sure that kid knows he isn't playing with us anymore based on conversations they have had at school.

I just think about that and it's a shame. I've been around the game a long time, and this is starting to smell of burnout already, at 8-9 years old, if those parents aren't careful.
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10andBOUNCE said:

Of course, if you do play those guys next season, you know what to do.


That's the first thing our son said last night when we told him. Only reason we told him was because we are having an open practice for potential players to come out.

He said, "well, I guess we just have to beat them too."
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Love it!
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Tarpon, was hoping for some insight if you can provide any, as you seem to be well informed on Houston area teams. (PhatMack or others, please feel free to chime in too)

I have an 11U kid that's been playing on a select team for the last 2 years. He loves his coaches/team, but is ready for a change, so we've just started discussing the process of looking for another team. He hasn't been to any tryouts yet. In fact, we've never had to go through this process before, as his current team is made up of kids he originally played LL with, and they just formed a team.

Anyway, I was wondering if you've heard anything about South Coast Cream (play out of Diamonds at Daily). Based on their website, it doesn't appear they have a team at his age level, but have several at the 9u, 10u, 12u & 13u.

Also, I was thinking of signing him up for tryouts with Twelve, which I've seen you and others speak highly of. Was also thinking about Hunter Pence Academy and there's another team called the Canes, I believe.

Any opinions on these others would be welcomed as well.

Thanks!
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No clue about South Coast Cream at 11U. My youngest played against their 9U this fall but no insight really. They're a new organization.

Hunter Pence is fantastic at the HS level with great coaches but their youth teams are pretty weak and I don't know enough about their coaches.

Canes is a big-time national organization but that really only means a lot at the HS level and their "national" teams at the youth level. Those franchise teams can be hit or miss. I think they're fairly new in Houston and trying to expand at the youth levels.

Twelve is a solid organization. It can vary by coach and team but every time we've played a team from Twelve the kids are well coached and the parents are polite and not jackasses.

I think it's best to check them all out and talk to the coaches face-to-face and try to judge them. Worry more about coaching and development than W-L. And seek out teams with good parents.
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DBill said:

Little bit of a vent session here so bear with me!

9u team where almost all of the kids have been together since t ball and up. We have made some additions along the way, but the bulk of the team has been together for many seasons. I am the head coach of the team and have been since day 1 with these boys.

We recently moved leagues, 1 year ago, to be in a more competitive environment and have mixed in some USSSA tournaments as well. We have always been in the mix and have finished middle of the pack in our competitive league the past 2 seasons. We came from a very rec league over to a league where it's team registration only. We held our own, but didn't win any league championships.

I just got word that 2 of our better and more seasoned players are moving to another team in our league for next season. One of the players, the dad has been a coach with me for 2 years. I asked both parents why they are choosing to move and they said because they want to be in a more competitive environment. The team they moved to, won 2 more games than us in the regular season (out of 14) and got run ruled first round of end of season tournament.

All of these boys are 8 and 9 years old, and playing at a high level for their age.

I grew up playing baseball, played competitively and have seen a lot of "ring" or "win" chasing. They are still developing and gathering skills.

I knew we would get to this point some day with parents, but dang, didn't know it would be this early!!!!!!

There is zero loyalty when it comes to youth baseball. I have seen kids/families who have grown up together through baseball, fall apart. Like was said above, parents always think their kids are better than the team they are playing for.

Look, I am a huge proponent for select baseball, but with any team. If your kid is getting treated fairly and playing, who cares? It is about the reps. Outside of the national teams, nobody is coming to watch your kid play, and even that doesn't matter long-term. It is just about getting good quality reps.

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I know there has to be some Beaumont people on here. We have played against Elite RBI, ZT, etc. but I have never seen a better hitting team than the Piranhas. If anyone is looking for an H-Town team, tryout for the Piranha's. .
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Piranhas main location is Beaumont. Former Aggie OF and major leaguer, Jason Tyner, coaches their top 14U team and I think owns/started the organization but I could be wrong there.

They also have a Houston franchise based out of Baytown/Mt. Belvieu.
 
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