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That's somewhat true for HS, but for most kids who play after HS "baseball IQ" is about on the bottom of the totem pole as far as being recruited. It's the stud athletes who get the offers. This isn't every case, but the majority. I think the struggle for most parents is the money spent from say an 8 year old kid to 17 year old playing select ball really "worth it"? Thats for each family to decide, but yes playing select ball for that long in competitive leagues will surely make the player's baseball IQ improve over those who dont commit that level of time. However, it isn't necessarily going to increase the kids opportunity to play after high school if they don't have that extra level of athletic ability.TarponChaser said:Lonestar_Ag09 said:TarponChaser said:Bassmaster said:The fact that you coached high school doesn't lend your opinion any more credence. The bolded is such an overgeneralization, it makes me wonder whether you have any recent experience with select baseball. This is coming from someone who has a kid in select and a kid in rec.45-70Ag said:
I coached at a high school for 10 years and I love seeing kids learn how to compete in little league. Don't care how good they are.
Seeing the clown show that is select is humorous. dads are clowns, the kids seldom do anything beyond high school baseball if they make that team and the select coaches are at best, morons with a knack for stealing parents money.
There are a lot of bad select organizations and coaches out there but that's where parental due diligence comes into play.
And frankly, unless your kids is a stud athlete the odds of making the HS varsity team, let alone being a contributor, are very small without the instruction and competition in a quality select program. Especially at pretty much every program in the Houston area. The HS my sons will attend had 4 kids in their 2022 class sign D1 scholarships and 4 more sign with jucos or D2 programs.
Playing select before 11 has ZERO impact on making a HS team. Now to say you played Rec right up until HS yes you'd be at a dis advantage probably. But if you were an athlete and taking lessons etc it is still doable. I'd bet you couldn't even do a test case though because select has become so prevalent.
The best cases that are made on this thread are those who's kids play both and treat select the way it was decades ago, as an extension of the season and higher competition on weekends and into the summer.
Edit to add: it does not take a stud athlete to make a freshman baseball team. It would take a stud to play 3-4 years at a varsity level but not to just make the team.
I didn't say they would be behind if they didn't start select before 11. But based on what I've seen the instruction and competition is needed by 12 or 13 at the latest.
And I made the caveat about varsity not just the freshman team. If you just want to be a guy then whatever but if you want to be a dude then what you're talking about isn't enough. If you're not exceptionally skilled with a high baseball IQ you'd better be a stud athlete. Particularly in the 6A programs around Houston.
Both play multiple sports. The 8-year old plays basketball & flag football. The 12-year old plays football and is doing 7th grade track right now- throwing the shot & disc and running hurdles.
AustinCountyAg said:That's somewhat true for HS, but for most kids who play after HS "baseball IQ" is about on the bottom of the totem pole as far as being recruited. It's the stud athletes who get the offers. This isn't every case, but the majority. I think the struggle for most parents is the money spent from say an 8 year old kid to 17 year old playing select ball really "worth it"? Thats for each family to decide, but yes playing select ball for that long in competitive leagues will surely make the player's baseball IQ improve over those who dont commit that level of time. However, it isn't necessarily going to increase the kids opportunity to play after high school if they don't have that extra level of athletic ability.TarponChaser said:Lonestar_Ag09 said:TarponChaser said:Bassmaster said:The fact that you coached high school doesn't lend your opinion any more credence. The bolded is such an overgeneralization, it makes me wonder whether you have any recent experience with select baseball. This is coming from someone who has a kid in select and a kid in rec.45-70Ag said:
I coached at a high school for 10 years and I love seeing kids learn how to compete in little league. Don't care how good they are.
Seeing the clown show that is select is humorous. dads are clowns, the kids seldom do anything beyond high school baseball if they make that team and the select coaches are at best, morons with a knack for stealing parents money.
There are a lot of bad select organizations and coaches out there but that's where parental due diligence comes into play.
And frankly, unless your kids is a stud athlete the odds of making the HS varsity team, let alone being a contributor, are very small without the instruction and competition in a quality select program. Especially at pretty much every program in the Houston area. The HS my sons will attend had 4 kids in their 2022 class sign D1 scholarships and 4 more sign with jucos or D2 programs.
Playing select before 11 has ZERO impact on making a HS team. Now to say you played Rec right up until HS yes you'd be at a dis advantage probably. But if you were an athlete and taking lessons etc it is still doable. I'd bet you couldn't even do a test case though because select has become so prevalent.
The best cases that are made on this thread are those who's kids play both and treat select the way it was decades ago, as an extension of the season and higher competition on weekends and into the summer.
Edit to add: it does not take a stud athlete to make a freshman baseball team. It would take a stud to play 3-4 years at a varsity level but not to just make the team.
I didn't say they would be behind if they didn't start select before 11. But based on what I've seen the instruction and competition is needed by 12 or 13 at the latest.
And I made the caveat about varsity not just the freshman team. If you just want to be a guy then whatever but if you want to be a dude then what you're talking about isn't enough. If you're not exceptionally skilled with a high baseball IQ you'd better be a stud athlete. Particularly in the 6A programs around Houston.
Both play multiple sports. The 8-year old plays basketball & flag football. The 12-year old plays football and is doing 7th grade track right now- throwing the shot & disc and running hurdles.
I also think a lot depends on the quality of the little league programs, etc wherever you live.
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
The last 5-10 minutes they discuss youth baseball…probably an unpopular take on this board
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Don't believe I've heard a single person state they believe select shouldn't be done before 11/12 and should only be top 5-10 in the league
Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Don't believe I've heard a single person state they believe select shouldn't be done before 11/12 and should only be top 5-10 in the league
agsalaska said:
For the record I kept my son in Rec ball til he was 11. He played both. So did his entire select team. That is the way to go.
Woah woah woah. Let's not get crazy.Farmer1906 said:
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That's definitely an issue. With my middle son's rec team (9u), we can't hold two practices a week. We can't even depend on everyone to be there for 1 practice a week. Also, parents don't want to sit out there for 2 hours when we do practice.TarponChaser said:Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Don't believe I've heard a single person state they believe select shouldn't be done before 11/12 and should only be top 5-10 in the league
Loney says he doesn't think you need to be in select before 10 or 11 you need reps.
That's the rub though because 99% of the time or more you cannot get those reps just with league.
Farmer1906 said:
What does a weekly schedule look like for a select ball player?
Bassmaster said:
My oldest plays 12u major and a typical week is practice 2x for 2 hours and sometimes one additional "voluntary" practice is thrown in. They are practicing 3x a week right now until their first tournament next weekend. All of the kids do hitting and or pitching lessons with private coaches (not our team coaches) outside of that once a week. Then once tournaments begin, we'll play every other weekend.
He played AAU basketball over the winter and I can't figure out how select baseball gets such a bad rap while AAU basketball goes unscathed. It is a disaster.
Does it? I have never once heard a good thing about AAU basketball. It has a terrible reputation.Bassmaster said:
My oldest plays 12u major and a typical week is practice 2x for 2 hours and sometimes one additional "voluntary" practice is thrown in. They are practicing 3x a week right now until their first tournament next weekend. All of the kids do hitting and or pitching lessons with private coaches (not our team coaches) outside of that once a week. Then once tournaments begin, we'll play every other weekend.
He played AAU basketball over the winter and I can't figure out how select baseball gets such a bad rap while AAU basketball goes unscathed. It is a disaster.
I consider myself a sensible person. And a part of 'reps' is absolutely 'playing more games.'Lonestar_Ag09 said:
Loney's point was not to be the top player by default just because the kids that were better than you left...that's completely opposite of the point. As I listened I understood what they were saying to mean reps...as in practice, lessons etc. a kid can play ever inning in a weekend tournament and only make 5-10 plays. That isnt getting reps. Going into the same games, lets say 6 games, 3 at bats per game: 18 at bats
That isnt Reps. In my opinion no sensible person believes "reps" to mean playing more games.
When you're talking about going to lessons, that has nothing to do with playing select either that can be done while playing rec ball.
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On a slightly separate note I believe it needs to stop being called "select" because it isnt. When the majority play in it, it is no longer select, its just travel ball.
I think I need some more background on this teacherman guyDeluxe said:Woah woah woah. Let's not get crazy.Farmer1906 said:
TarponChaser is a disciple of Teacherman Hitting
I'm saying reps don't come from JUST playing more games. I agree that you cant duplicate game events....but there is a reason a pro ball player still takes infield practice and batting practice and works in the cages even though they play almost daily and 162 games.Bassmaster said:
I disagree that reps doesn't equal playing more games. It does. You can't simulate a live at bat like an actual game situation. A live ab off of a teammate doesn't do it. You know their tendencies, they know yours, there are no real consequences.
Full disclosure: I actually like Teacherman, but he's a bit polarizing.redline248 said:I think I need some more background on this teacherman guyDeluxe said:Woah woah woah. Let's not get crazy.Farmer1906 said:
TarponChaser is a disciple of Teacherman Hitting
If the new wife finds it peculiar I'm guessing the first one really hated it?Deluxe said:Full disclosure: I actually like Teacherman, but he's a bit polarizing.redline248 said:I think I need some more background on this teacherman guyDeluxe said:Woah woah woah. Let's not get crazy.Farmer1906 said:
TarponChaser is a disciple of Teacherman Hitting
One of my side passions is studying the baseball/golf swing mechanics. To the extent that I constantly watch baseball instruction YouTube and walk around my house with an old wooden bat trying to replicate feels. My new wife finds this behavior peculiar for a 38 year old given that I don't intend to play actual baseball, but I digress haha.
It took me a little while to feel what Teacherman is trying to get across. But once I felt it, it made alot sense. The snap just helps get the bat on plane as quick as possible. From there it's all synchronized extension and rotation. Still trying to properly feel the load he teaches.
Deluxe said:Full disclosure: I actually like Teacherman, but he's a bit polarizing.redline248 said:I think I need some more background on this teacherman guyDeluxe said:Woah woah woah. Let's not get crazy.Farmer1906 said:
TarponChaser is a disciple of Teacherman Hitting
One of my side passions is studying the baseball/golf swing mechanics. To the extent that I constantly watch baseball instruction YouTube and walk around my house with an old wooden bat trying to replicate feels. My new wife finds this behavior peculiar for a 38 year old given that I don't intend to play actual baseball, but I digress haha.
It took me a little while to feel what Teacherman is trying to get across. But once I felt it, it made alot sense. The snap just helps get the bat on plane as quick as possible. From there it's all synchronized extension and rotation. Still trying to properly feel the load he teaches.
Farmer1906 said:
What does a weekly schedule look like for a select ball player?
Be coaching Banditos 14U MajorsPhatMack19 said:
Super NIT roll call. Who's coming and what division?
750 teams from 25 States playing in "Houston" this weekend.