Players supposedly told negotiating is done for today, so lock out at midnight. Look fo a flurry of activity in the next 8 hours.

gigem1223 said:

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Mr Gigem doing work... reporting my post.

Good for you. Do I get free tickets, now?

DallasAg 94 said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Mr Gigem doing work... reporting my post.

Good for you. Do I get free tickets, now?

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Huh?

gigem1223 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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gigem1223 said:

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Mr Gigem doing work... reporting my post.

Good for you. Do I get free tickets, now?

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Huh?

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Mr. Gigem works for the Rangers.

I posted this here:

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I'm hoping we are engaged with Cincy. We have 3 roster spots that need to open. Now, we do have some guys to easily drop...

They are shopping 2-3 SPs, in order of most cost to least cost:

Luis Castillo (28-RH) - 2 years of team control
Went 33GS, 3.98, 1.22WHIP, 187.2 IP, 192 SO
Career 3.72 ERA in 123 GS

Sonny Gray (32-RH) - 2 years of team control (includes team option for 2023)
Went 26 GS, 4.19 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, 135.1 IP, 155 SO
Career 3.61 ERA in 214 GS

Tyler Mahle (27-RH) - 2 years of team control (Arbs)
Went 33 GS, 3.75 ERA, 1.233 WHIP 180.0 IP, 210 SO
Career 4.34 ERA in 94 GS

They could benefit from IKF at either SS or 3B. Willie Calhoun could fill a cheap role in LF or DH, if the DH is adopted by the NL in CBA. Young pitchers like Allard, Hearn, Burke, and King would give the Reds some players to consider...

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I was pretending and implying the Mr. Gigem took my post to the Rangers and now the Rangers are engaged with Cincy... and that I should be entitled to txts.

It was a joke... the Rangers have probably been engaged with Cincy long before my post. But, it makes me feel like a credible GM (not really. another joke).

wbt5845 said:

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Players supposedly told negotiating is done for today, so lock out at midnight. Look fo a flurry of activity in the next 8 hours.

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The stuff I read a few days ago indicated they really thought yesterday was probably the latest deals would get done as there wouldn't be time for physicals and other parts of getting the deals completed.

So we won't get any news for a while? After the recent wonderful surge?

Kershaw asking too much or is he a legit possibility?

Mr Gigem said:

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I doubt this is really going to be a lingering issue. Don't think we would have made the moves we did if it was

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Well it's definitely an issue for anyone thinking about planning a spring training trip.

No baseball happening for 3 months anyway. Just enjoy the holidays and let things sort themselves out.

There is always "the other side", but here is the letter from the Commissioner:

A letter to baseball fans

12:03 AM EST






To our Fans:
I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together.

That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league's best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2.

I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association's vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It's simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions.

When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn't trade for any other in sports. Baseball's players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is "broken" in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history.

We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams.

We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more.

To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that.

Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table.

was hoping he was resigning. bummer.

Very classy

Word is DJ Peters is going to Korea. Best of luck to him.

Im having a hard time finding the issues the Players Assoc is demanding..... MLB has already made the step to provide housing across the minor leagues and MLB seems to want a minimum salary floor so teams cant have a crappy $25 million dollar payroll so that seems like a win for players assoc. Also seems that 29.5 age has been proposed for automatic free agency.... another win for player....What are the players hung up on????????

From what I can gather, it is "we are the most powerful union in sports and we're going to force you into concessions just because we can" ****ery

DannyDuberstein said:

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From what I can gather, it is "we are the most powerful union in sports and we're going to force you into concessions just because we can" ****ery

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It's only the first round of negotiations. This can carry on until the start of February and it still won't have affected much. They have a good 2 months or so to work this out if they need it.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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From what I can gather, it is "we are the most powerful union in sports and we're going to force you into concessions just because we can" ****ery

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It's only the first round of negotiations. This can carry on until the start of February and it still won't have affected much. They have a good 2 months or so to work this out if they need it.

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Mid-January is my prediction

What are the main negotiating points hanging them up?

Players want to become free agents and/or limit the club's power of controlling service time.

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Negotiations rarely pay off until both sides start to feel a little pain. That's March.

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I'm telling you right now, I guarantee this ain't going until March

Mr Gigem need some tickets for family Christmas present but didn't seem you email posted. Can you email me at username at gmail.com?

Thanks

Mr Gigem said:

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Schall 02 said:

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Negotiations rarely pay off until both sides start to feel a little pain. That's March.

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I'm telling you right now, I guarantee this ain't going until March

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I hope you are right. Having no updates other than labor negotiation type updates is always painful.

I hope whatever they end up agreeing to does away with the service time manipulation incentive for teams. They need to play the best players, not stash them in the minors for a little longer just to get another year of player control.

KT 90 said:

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Mr Gigem said:

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Schall 02 said:

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I'm telling you right now, I guarantee this ain't going until March

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I hope you are right. Having no updates other than labor negotiation type updates is always painful.

I hope whatever they end up agreeing to does away with the service time manipulation incentive for teams. They need to play the best players, not stash them in the minors for a little longer just to get another year of player control.

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The Astros are masters at service time manipulation. Just another reason to hate them.

Kind of surprised at this one. I think he is a Free Agent and could have signed on somewhere.

I feel for him and King Felix. Seemed like they really embraced the city, but not even a playoff berth to show for it.