Starting this Sunday vs Kyler Murray.
Kyle Allen
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Kevin Sumlin has an off week, I wonder if he will be attending.
I can't wait for Starkel to get to the NFL.
What? You mean they both really are good? But, but I was assured by texags posters that they would never amount to anything and we were better off without them.
Groupthink is pretty dangerous, no?4 said:
What? You mean they both really are good? But, but I was assured by texags posters that they would never amount to anything and we were better off without them.
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
I am not sure there was ever a noticeable consensus that both Kyler and Kyle were not good. They both quit on their team but they both have physical gifts. Let's see how their NFL careers play out before we start proclaiming them the next coming of Joe Montana.
Kyle Allen was 3rd string at Houston and Kyler won the Heisman and was the first pick in the draft.
yeah but Kyle Allen (before Josh Reynolds):
cevans_40 said:
I am not sure there was ever a noticeable consensus that both Kyler and Kyle were not good. They both quit on their team but they both have physical gifts. Let's see how their NFL careers play out before we start proclaiming them the next coming of Joe Montana.
So now the bar for a good is Joe Montana?
They are both starting NFL quarterbacks, and one of them won the Heisman trophy.
I'd say the jury is no longer out as to whether or not they're any good
TheWoodsAg said:
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
According to the Spav interview during the TX state game, Sumlin wasn't even in the QB room. Was completely checked out of that process. Wonder why they left?
QBU
What a complete disaster KS was. Looking back it is was Fran level incompetence.TheWoodsAg said:
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
Wow, what an epic dissonant moments for Texags zoo citizens...
who do we root for?
i guess, just cursing sumlin is the best move
who do we root for?
i guess, just cursing sumlin is the best move
Leander - Ag said:What a complete disaster KS was. Looking back it is was Fran level incompetence.TheWoodsAg said:
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
Our highest national ranking 5th in the final AP poll in the past 25+ years. If Sumlin is guilty of all of our woes, then he gets some credit for what Sherill, RC, Fran, Sherm, and Jimbo couldn't or can't do. Not since 1956 have we been ranked 5th or higher in the AP to finish a season.
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f, that...he gets no credit for winning with JM, Evans, swope etc...Sumlin gets credit for losing to Florida which could have made 2012 greater..Quote:
Our highest national ranking 5th in the final AP poll in the past 25+ years. If Sumlin is guilty of all of our woes, then he gets some credit for what Sherill, RC, Fran, Sherm, and Jimbo couldn't or can't do. Not since 1956 have we been ranked 5th or higher in the AP to finish a season.
Raptor said:Leander - Ag said:What a complete disaster KS was. Looking back it is was Fran level incompetence.TheWoodsAg said:
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
Our highest national ranking 5th in the final AP poll in the past 25+ years. If Sumlin is guilty of all of our woes, then he gets some credit for what Sherill, RC, Fran, Sherm, and Jimbo couldn't or can't do. Not since 1956 have we been ranked 5th or higher in the AP to finish a season.
He will always be listed as the HC of the 2012 team. But really his only accomplishment was inheriting a team of Top 10 talent accumulated and coached up by his predecessor, and having Kliff to coach the greatest assembly of offensive talent we had ever had. Every single starter on the 2012 offense, which Sumlin had nothing to do with their recruiting and development, played in the NFL including the entire OL. That is unheard of.
The truest measure of the real value of Sumlin as a HC and his competence level is revealed by looking at his last 4 seasons at A&M. The fact is the further we got away from Sherman recruited and developed players, the worse we got. That is not an opinion, that is a fact, and it is why we had the worst most embarrassing comeback loss in the history of Power 5 football followed the next week by being tied with an FCS school in the 4Q in Sumlin's last season....
Sumlin should have been fired before he was, but for certain we should not have paid his buyout due to "letter-gate".....
Kyler Murray- not so much. He had talent and would have been good to keep.
Pick 6 Allen- glad he picked himself up. But he sucked for us and counsel win the starting job at UH.
Pick 6 Allen- glad he picked himself up. But he sucked for us and counsel win the starting job at UH.
Wow, what a fail by Sumlin & Co...
He started 2 games for UH then was benched
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He will always be listed as the HC of the 2012 team. But really his only accomplishment was inheriting a team of Top 10 talent accumulated and coached up by his predecessor, and having Kliff to coach the greatest assembly of offensive talent we had ever had. Every single starter on the 2012 offense, which Sumlin had nothing to do with their recruiting and development, played in the NFL including the entire OL. That is unheard of.
That is partially true. But if Sherman coached in 2012 we probably would not have had the season we had.
I don't think Spavital is getting nearly enough blame. Yes, it's Sumlin's fault, for hiring Spavital. But, a warm body at QB coach and OC should have been able to help Sumlin keep a lid on expectations and developing both 5* QBs.
So you're saying A&M beat Auburn?
Sherman would not have started Manziel in 2012 and Johnny Football would have gone somewhere else.
Sumlin made that decision and helped get us another Heisman winner and a top 5 finish. He was good for the transition.
Sumlin made that decision and helped get us another Heisman winner and a top 5 finish. He was good for the transition.
lol.
PascalsWager said:
Kyle Allen has failed at every place he's been after high school. I think he keeps getting chances because he LOOKS like a QB.
I can assure you the NFL does not keep QBs on rosters because they "look" the part.
Flashdiaz said:
Sherman would not have started Manziel in 2012 and Johnny Football would have gone somewhere else.
Sumlin made that decision and helped get us another Heisman winner and a top 5 finish. He was good for the transition.
Pretty sure Kliff Kingsbury made this call.
cevans_40 said:
I am not sure there was ever a noticeable consensus that both Kyler and Kyle were not good. They both quit on their team but they both have physical gifts. Let's see how their NFL careers play out before we start proclaiming them the next coming of Joe Montana.
T-Shizzle said:Jarrin' Jay said:Raptor said:Leander - Ag said:What a complete disaster KS was. Looking back it is was Fran level incompetence.TheWoodsAg said:
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
Our highest national ranking 5th in the final AP poll in the past 25+ years. If Sumlin is guilty of all of our woes, then he gets some credit for what Sherill, RC, Fran, Sherm, and Jimbo couldn't or can't do. Not since 1956 have we been ranked 5th or higher in the AP to finish a season.
He will always be listed as the HC of the 2012 team. But really his only accomplishment was inheriting a team of Top 10 talent accumulated and coached up by his predecessor, and having Kliff to coach the greatest assembly of offensive talent we had ever had. Every single starter on the 2012 offense, which Sumlin had nothing to do with their recruiting and development, played in the NFL including the entire OL. That is unheard of.
The truest measure of the real value of Sumlin as a HC and his competence level is revealed by looking at his last 4 seasons at A&M. The fact is the further we got away from Sherman recruited and developed players, the worse we got. That is not an opinion, that is a fact, and it is why we had the worst most embarrassing comeback loss in the history of Power 5 football followed the next week by being tied with an FCS school in the 4Q in Sumlin's last season....
Sumlin should have been fired before he was, but for certain we should not have paid his buyout due to "letter-gate".....
Bwahahaha well what about all the defensive players Sumlin recruited here? That went on to the NFL
Davante Harris, Dashawn Hall, Myles Garrett, Zay Henderson, Armani Watts, Justin Evans, Donovan Wilson, Otaro Alaka, Tyrell Dodson, Brandon Williams, Kingsley Keke,!
What about the talent that's on the team now that Sumlin recruited! All this Sumlin hate is a joke! He didn't get it done here! Fine! It happens ,but the hate is unreal and I know why, and it's sad!
Easy. Jimbo (specifically Elko) coached them up. Player development. Something Sumlin has never heard of. Great example... Daylon Mack.
Sumlin got good recruits off of Sherman's recruits and JFF. He was teaching them how to be all prima donnas that Fisher will have to spend 3-4 years correcting.
Don't forget how bad or defenses were during his era. And that wasn't because we didn't have talent.
You did good up until your last sentence. And that last sentence made everything complete garbage that you posted, because you are looking for controversy that does not exist.T-Shizzle said:Jarrin' Jay said:Raptor said:Leander - Ag said:What a complete disaster KS was. Looking back it is was Fran level incompetence.TheWoodsAg said:
In all fairness, Sumlin completely fubar'd the QB room at A&M and as a result we gave him a $15 million check for it.
Our highest national ranking 5th in the final AP poll in the past 25+ years. If Sumlin is guilty of all of our woes, then he gets some credit for what Sherill, RC, Fran, Sherm, and Jimbo couldn't or can't do. Not since 1956 have we been ranked 5th or higher in the AP to finish a season.
He will always be listed as the HC of the 2012 team. But really his only accomplishment was inheriting a team of Top 10 talent accumulated and coached up by his predecessor, and having Kliff to coach the greatest assembly of offensive talent we had ever had. Every single starter on the 2012 offense, which Sumlin had nothing to do with their recruiting and development, played in the NFL including the entire OL. That is unheard of.
The truest measure of the real value of Sumlin as a HC and his competence level is revealed by looking at his last 4 seasons at A&M. The fact is the further we got away from Sherman recruited and developed players, the worse we got. That is not an opinion, that is a fact, and it is why we had the worst most embarrassing comeback loss in the history of Power 5 football followed the next week by being tied with an FCS school in the 4Q in Sumlin's last season....
Sumlin should have been fired before he was, but for certain we should not have paid his buyout due to "letter-gate".....
Bwahahaha well what about all the defensive players Sumlin recruited here? That went on to the NFL
Davante Harris, Dashawn Hall, Myles Garrett, Zay Henderson, Armani Watts, Justin Evans, Donovan Wilson, Otaro Alaka, Tyrell Dodson, Brandon Williams, Kingsley Keke,!
What about the talent that's on the team now that Sumlin recruited! All this Sumlin hate is a joke! He didn't get it done here! Fine! It happens ,but the hate is unreal and I know why, and it's sad!
Sumlin is hated because he was unable to do anything beyond 2012 and ended up being a rather poor coach as a result. Started off with a bang, fizzled out slowly every season after. Pissed away 2 5* QB's in a single season by not being a coach and letting Spav get in over his head. Hired Mazzone and our offense went to garbage. Was unable to field a good defense after 2012 and it cost us games we could have won.
If you want to get down to it, he mismanaged JFF as well - had he been better coached/managed, he may not have bailed so early and who knows what might have been.
But Sumlin did none of the things he needed to do, got paid a crap ton of money to not coach here anymore and as a result - has a relatively bad reputation. Your "know why" is your internal issues being projected to everybody else, nothing more.
PascalsWager said:
Kyle Allen has failed at every place he's been after high school. I think he keeps getting chances because he LOOKS like a QB.
By the way all the news I'm seeing suggests that Cam is merely questionable. Are the Panthers throwing the towel on the season already?
He's on an NFL roster. How is that failing?
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