I honestly think he can make it. I know how ridiculous it sounds, but he was mismanaged at both schools. How much of that was on him I don't know, but it's unfortunate how things turned out. I like the guy and wish him the best.

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I honestly think he can make it. I know how ridiculous it sounds, but he was mismanaged at both schools. How much of that was on him I don't know, but it's unfortunate how things turned out. I like the guy and wish him the best.

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Wow, I hope he's not mismanaged at the next level, too. This mismanagement thing just seems to follow him...

By the way, is one expected to compete for the starting job in the NFL?

He out dueled Dak Prescott. Hope Saban picks him up after dropping Eli.

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He out dueled Dak Prescott. Hope Saban picks him up after dropping Eli.

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Yeah, but Dak was the subject of attack by green laser beams in that game...

texancanuck11 said:

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That's ballsy

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Thats quitting

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WestGalvestonAggie said:

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I honestly think he can make it. I know how ridiculous it sounds, but he was mismanaged at both schools. How much of that was on him I don't know, but it's unfortunate how things turned out. I like the guy and wish him the best.

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Wow, I hope he's not mismanaged at the next level, too. This mismanagement thing just seems to follow him...

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He may have been "mismanaged." He may be a great, sweet lovable person. But it's entirely possible that he was simply overrated coming out of high school. Recruiting misses aren't just the ones that got away.

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WestGalvestonAggie said:

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I honestly think he can make it. I know how ridiculous it sounds, but he was mismanaged at both schools. How much of that was on him I don't know, but it's unfortunate how things turned out. I like the guy and wish him the best.

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Wow, I hope he's not mismanaged at the next level, too. This mismanagement thing just seems to follow him...

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He may have been "mismanaged." He may be a great, sweet lovable person. But it's entirely possible that he was simply overrated coming out of high school. Recruiting misses aren't just the ones that got away.

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I couldn't agree more. He was badly overrated in more than one area...

For all his shortcomings, the pros are so fixated on measurables, that he might actually get a look.

You really have to wonder what happened at UH. It was against Rice, but, he had by far the best passing game of their season last year. And, yet, one bad game against Tech, and he never saw the field again (as far as I know) on what was a very average team.

Applewhite clearly didn't have any use for him. There's just got to be more to it.

I only went to one of his UH games and heard some talk from UH people who went to more. My guess is that he just didn't develop physically and coaches don't want to be limited to quick 3-5 yard passes. His accuracy didn't appear to get any better during his year off.

A lot of normal people stop developing physically at 18, it only looks bad when it's an athlete in the spotlight.

The NFL will be the third place he ends up transferring out of when he can't win the job.

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Wow. Wonder what would've happened if he stayed here?

Gig 'em.

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We would have won more games.

If he has good workouts he'll probably be a late round pick, which is where he would probably be anyway after another season of college ball.

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Trevor Knight was a more effective QB for us than Allen.

another thread allowing attacking of Kyle Allen, don't defend him you get banned... hypocritical

Aggies are the most fake greatest fans in college football.

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Aggies are the most fake greatest fans in college football.

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At these ticket and concession prices, "fan" is just another word for "consumer"...

I've said multiple times I don't know that there's any reason to attack him. As fans, we love to talk about character and guts and all that fun stuff. But the truth is that some athletes just don't have the mechanics or natural talent to keep growing and developing at the next level where everyone is bringing it. And we never know whether they really got injured or hurt or what happened to affect their development.

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I've said multiple times I don't know that there's any reason to attack him. As fans, we love to talk about character and guts and all that fun stuff. But the truth is that some athletes just don't have the mechanics or natural talent to keep growing and developing at the next level where everyone is bringing it. And we never know whether they really got injured or hurt or what happened to affect their development.

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Most (not all) of the stuff on here is pretty mild to qualify as much of an attack.

The fact is, when he walked out on the team, it was a punch in the gut to Sumlin and the program (though, recent developments show that maybe we didn't lose as much as we thought we did). If Knight hadn't shown up on the doorstep, that season could have easily turned out even worse than it did.

The job was his to lose his junior year, and he either didn't want it, didn't think he could win it, resented that he had to compete for it, or meshed so poorly with the staff that he couldn't stand to be part of it, and bailed instead of sticking it out.

None of those reasons is going to engender much understanding from most fans. He left us in the lurch to sit out a year, and, as today's news shows, it wasn't because he had soured on football.

One reason why it is still talked about here is because of the schism between those who absolutely blame Sumlin, and those (like myself) who put more responsibility on Allen.

Again, it's very interesting what happened at UH. With his tools (and performance, even if plagued by inconsistency), it's almost inconceivable to me that he didn't hang on to that starting job.

I was ardent supporter for Allen and generally blamed Sumlin...his Arkansas game , OT game win was a classic...
But as Threadbare pointed out, Allen bears significant responsibility too...

never the less, I wish him the best...

I don't know what was really going on, but I try to look at from different perspectives just for the sake of message board convos. He was getting beat up on the field and left in the game when we fans figured he was hurt; then (maybe) the coaches didn't communicate with him about his future so why take the hits just to ride the bench? He bears responsibility of course, and he gambled on what he thought was in his best interest. I don't think he made the best choices, but they were his to make and I'm not sure he had the mechanics and growth potential to be a big star no matter what he did. Gambling on Herman staying at UH will always be a wtf decision, though.

Well, the Texans need a few dozen quarterbacks each season, so ....

He can hang out with Gunner Kiel when it is all said and done.

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I'm not always the rah-rah type, but once an Ag, always an Ag. He may be immature, selfish, and/or entitled. He may just have been sold a bill of goods and could not deal with the realities that followed (splitting time with Kyler, transferring to play for Herman only to see him bail for t.u.) and that made him ineffective this past year. Now, he wants to just focus on his career and put his college time behind him.

None of us really know what happened with this kid. Still, he chose us in the beginning and, prodigal or not, he is still a son in the Aggie family. I wish him the best and hope he gets a chance to play pro (even if it is against Johnny in Canada).

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Not an Aggie in my book. He came here to play football only. As soon as things didn't go his way, he took off. Not an Aggie.

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texancanuck11 said:

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That's ballsy

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Thats quitting

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How is that quitting? He graduated, and is trying to make a career of playing a game.

Wrangler said:

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Not an Aggie in my book. He came here to play football only. As soon as things didn't go his way, he took off. Not an Aggie.

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He has made some bad choices, but I'm sure you did too at that age.

So it's "once an Aggie possibly always an Aggie" now?

Without him we don't win the WVU bowl game, the ASU game in Houston and the Arkansas game that same year. Maybe more I'm forgetting. He has done a hell of a lot more for Texas A&M than most Aggies have.

I hope he grows up and fulfills his potential, but he will always be an Aggie in my book.

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He has done a hell of a lot more for Texas A&M than most Aggies have.

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Because he won some football games?


Most Aggies have been representing A&M in various professional careers and in their personal lives for years, decades, after graduating.

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He has done a hell of a lot more for Texas A&M than most Aggies have.

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Because he won some football games?


Most Aggies have been representing A&M in various professional careers and in their personal lives for years, decades, after graduating.

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Yes, because he won some big football games! This is a football board and I assume we all care a lot about Aggie football. Joe Aggie representing A&M well in his personal and professional circles is great, but most of the time it doesn't get our University national recognition and it doesn't get thousands of people excited.

My main point is NOT trying to take anything away from good Ags doing their part to better A&M's reputation, I'm just standing up for a fellow Aggie that has brought positive things to our school, and may still go on to represent A&M well in his personal life for decades. I wouldn't blame him for being bitter at A&M after reading some of these posts, but I hope most Aggies feel like I do about him and that the rest are the whiny critical minority.

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Kyle had NFL QB written all over him back in HS. Here, he was a drop back, NFL style guy in a hurry up, run & shoot, spread offense. Then Kyler comes into play and he is the opposite type of QB than Kyle, more of a JFF type, but not a drop back, NFL guy. Sumlin didn't due either one of these guys good at all. Two different types of QB's in two different, opposite systems.

Bottom line, I wish the guy well. I think if KWS and his staff had designed the offense around Kyle's skill set, we might have had a stud monkey at QB for a number of years and a hell of a lot record to show for it also.

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Wrong.

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monarch said:

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Kyle had NFL QB written all over him back in HS. Here, he was a drop back, NFL style guy in a hurry up, run & shoot, spread offense. Then Kyler comes into play and he is the opposite type of QB than Kyle, more of a JFF type, but not a drop back, NFL guy. Sumlin didn't due either one of these guys good at all. Two different types of QB's in two different, opposite systems.

Bottom line, I wish the guy well. I think if KWS and his staff had designed the offense around Kyle's skill set, we might have had a stud monkey at QB for a number of years and a hell of a lot record to show for it also.

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Wrong.

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Which part? Care to elaborate?

A few things blow my mind about Kyle Allen.

1. People still think he is going to be a great QB.
2. People jump to his side and call him an Aggie while they bash Kyler Murray for doing the exact same thing.
3. People continue to blame sumlin for him not being good even after the kid slipped to 3rd string at UH.

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Am I the only one here that wishes he would've stayed at A&M?

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No

texancanuck11 said:

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Kyle had NFL QB written all over him back in HS. Here, he was a drop back, NFL style guy in a hurry up, run & shoot, spread offense. Then Kyler comes into play and he is the opposite type of QB than Kyle, more of a JFF type, but not a drop back, NFL guy. Sumlin didn't due either one of these guys good at all. Two different types of QB's in two different, opposite systems.

Bottom line, I wish the guy well. I think if KWS and his staff had designed the offense around Kyle's skill set, we might have had a stud monkey at QB for a number of years and a hell of a lot record to show for it also.

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Wrong.

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Which part? Care to elaborate?

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Almost the whole thing is wrong except for Kyle looking like he had lots of potential in hs. That's about the only thing correct in that post.

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92aginSC said:

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Am I the only one here that wishes he would've stayed at A&M?

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No, sort of.

Our season would have been less terrible and I would like to have not choked @ UCLA but ultimately I am glad he left because I think he might have saved Sumlin's job. He had some terrible games, but people are quick to forget that he also had some great ones. He would have played better than Mond, at the very worst. I mean I think even Winston Gamso could have held on to that UCLA lead.

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