FSU has had the #1 recruiting class in the ACC every year since at least 2010 according to 247. It will be interesting to see what happens when Jimbo has to coach against teams with equal or more talent. My guess is there won't be double digit wins every season. His current season is really inexcusable.

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Hasn't FSU had better recruiting classes than us (and without "better" facilities)? I am trying to understand why anyone thinks we have a better recruiting base.

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The recruiting bases are comparable.

They have recruited better due to coaching. They had a legend coach in Bowden, and have another elite coach in Jimbo. We have not been so smart/lucky. We stupidly ran off Emory. The conference conspired to push Jackie out. We allowed ourselves to fall behind in a facilities arms race. Fran looked like a no brainer but failed.


In college football, the coach is the X factor. IF A&M had hired Bobby Bowden after we ran Emory off, or even in place of Emory, we would have long been the king of SW Football. The mini dynasty we enjoyed under Jackie would be chump change.

FSU is not better than us. They were smart/extremely lucky. They outkicked their coverage, so to speak. Because of Bowden, their coverage got significantly better. If they are too stupid not to give Jimbo the facilities he wants, then they deserve to crash.

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I agree that if Florida State had not hired Bowden and we did instead then they would not be the better program. Just like if Alabama hadn't taken Bear Bryant from us we might be better than Alabama. But that's not what happened so it doesn't matter, they made those hires and they are better programs for it. Maybe our next hire will be one for those kind of hires and we'll get to the elite level status. We certainly have all the makings of a program to get to that level...

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FSU has had the #1 recruiting class in the ACC every year since at least 2010 according to 247. It will be interesting to see what happens when Jimbo has to coach against teams with equal or more talent. My guess is there won't be double digit wins every season.

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That's amazing that he can do that with inferior facilities, a crappy fan base, and a smaller stadium than us!

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Okay just to summarize. We aren't saying A&M is a better overall football program we are saying it's a better coaching job right now. If we polled all of the power 5 coaches and asked them which school they would rather coach at if they were paid $5million they would overwhelmingly pick A&M right? You guys are the biggest bunch of homers if you believe that. We are a top 15 destination factoring in all of the facilities etc. they are top 10.

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You keep making this claim without providing metrics to backup your assertion.

List 5 quantifiable advantages FSU has that make it more attractive for a coach without citing past W-L record.

Stop dodging.

Spent some time on the FSU board this morning. The consensus there is that if Jimbo stayed he would be required to have a massive staff shake-up on par with Bryan Kelly's remake of Notre Dame's personnel this past year.

Given the terms of Jimbo's contract, it's almost as if FSU is begging Jimbo to leave so they don't have to fire him and pay him 40 million. Things sure went sideways in a hurry in Tallahassee.

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Am I? Rumors are that the Sean Payton tenure has played it's course and that Brees is nearing the end of his career.

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So this is the best Saints team in years. Just saying.

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List 5 quantifiable advantages FSU has that make it more attractive for a coach without citing past W-L record.

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You're undervaluing the w/l factor.

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Okay just to summarize. We aren't saying A&M is a better overall football program we are saying it's a better coaching job right now. If we polled all of the power 5 coaches and asked them which school they would rather coach at if they were paid $5million they would overwhelmingly pick A&M right? You guys are the biggest bunch of homers if you believe that. We are a top 15 destination factoring in all of the facilities etc. they are top 10.

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You keep making this claim without providing metrics to backup your assertion.

List 5 quantifiable advantages FSU has that make it more attractive for a coach without citing past W-L record.

Stop dodging.

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No one is dodging you, you're just asking a loaded question. If you think having a newer stadium and nicer workout room with nothing to show for it on the field in over 20 years makes you a better program over a team that has 4 decades of success at a high level and consistently brings in top recruiting classes because of it then we just disagree on what makes a coaching job attractive. I look at Florida State and see a program that can compete for a national championship every year and basically does every year despite their "lack of facilities "

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Spent some time on the FSU board this morning. The consensus there is that if Jimbo stayed he would be required to have a massive staff shake-up on par with Bryan Kelly's remake of Notre Dame's personnel this past year.

Given the terms of Jimbo's contract, it's almost as if FSU is begging Jimbo to leave so they don't have to fire him and pay him 40 million. Things sure went sideways in a hurry in Tallahassee.

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Seems like there is more and more smoke by the day that Jimbo is leaving FSU.

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Spent some time on the FSU board this morning. The consensus there is that if Jimbo stayed he would be required to have a massive staff shake-up on par with Bryan Kelly's remake of Notre Dame's personnel this past year.

Given the terms of Jimbo's contract, it's almost as if FSU is begging Jimbo to leave so they don't have to fire him and pay him 40 million. Things sure went sideways in a hurry in Tallahassee.

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Seems like there is more and more smoke by the day that Jimbo is leaving FSU.

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It would seem to be an opportune time for him to leave with little or no penalty, if he's of a mind to.

Still, I have to wonder what Joe Alleva is thinking about now. Does he pull a Georgia, fire O, pay him 12 million and offer Jimbo??

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Okay just to summarize. We aren't saying A&M is a better overall football program we are saying it's a better coaching job right now. If we polled all of the power 5 coaches and asked them which school they would rather coach at if they were paid $5million they would overwhelmingly pick A&M right? You guys are the biggest bunch of homers if you believe that. We are a top 15 destination factoring in all of the facilities etc. they are top 10.

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You keep making this claim without providing metrics to backup your assertion.

List 5 quantifiable advantages FSU has that make it more attractive for a coach without citing past W-L record.

Stop dodging.

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No one is dodging you, you're just asking a loaded question. If you think having a newer stadium and nicer workout room with nothing to show for it on the field in over 20 years makes you a better program over a team that has 4 decades of success at a high level and consistently brings in top recruiting classes because of it then we just disagree on what makes a coaching job attractive. I look at Florida State and see a program that can compete for a national championship every year and basically does every year despite their "lack of facilities "

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Because this isn't a debate over which is the better program. It's a debate over which is the better job.

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You're undervaluing the w/l factor.

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Negative. It's completely meaningless in terms of where and why a coach will choose a job.

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Negative. It's completely meaningless in terms of where and why a coach will choose a job.

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Jimbo to ucf. Got it.

Sarcasm btw...

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Spent some time on the FSU board this morning. The consensus there is that if Jimbo stayed he would be required to have a massive staff shake-up on par with Bryan Kelly's remake of Notre Dame's personnel this past year.

Given the terms of Jimbo's contract, it's almost as if FSU is begging Jimbo to leave so they don't have to fire him and pay him 40 million. Things sure went sideways in a hurry in Tallahassee.

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Seems like there is more and more smoke by the day that Jimbo is leaving FSU.

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It would seem to be an opportune time for him to leave with little or no penalty, if he's of a mind to.

Still, I have to wonder what Joe Alleva is thinking about now. Does he pull a Georgia, fire O, pay him 12 million and offer Jimbo??

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I thought about that.

My is friend is Chem engineer from LSU. Big football follower.

She said the school is hurting right now from the oil crash. She doesn't think they have the money to make it happen. She specifically said lots of professors have left, donations are down. Etccc

She knows things ever there. Coach o knows "things" about LSU and can't be fired in a whim according to her. They want another guy , but can't pull the trigger

Just rumor so believe none of it.

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Hincemm said:

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Negative. It's completely meaningless in terms of where and why a coach will choose a job.

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Jimbo to ucf. Got it.

Sarcasm btw...

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I guess that's true if you ignore the slew of other advantages for FSU over UCF like salary, facilities, admin support, recruiting advantages, etc.

#1 reason for leaving FSU:

He won't have to listen to that annoying AF tomahawk chop any more.

Bayside Tiger Ag said:

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Negative. It's completely meaningless in terms of where and why a coach will choose a job.

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Jimbo to ucf. Got it.

Sarcasm btw...

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I guess that's true if you ignore the slew of other advantages for FSU over UCF like salary, facilities, admin support, recruiting advantages, etc.

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why isn't tu getting more high profile coaches?

FSU has won because they have arguably made the best coaching decisions since CFB integrated. They have hired 2 HCs and both are future/current HOFers.

Most 18 yo kids do not know history beyond 5 years ago and dont care. FSU recruits well because
(1) Jimbo is correctly perceived as a winner;
(2) Tons of talent within a few hundred miles; and
(3) They have better facilities than all but maybe 15 other programs


FSU has been more successful the past 40 years. A&M, all things held equal, should be more successful in the next 40 years. We just have to avoid f---ing it up like we have the past.

The winnability factor makes A&M a better job. Whether the quality of life is better in BCS or Tallahassee is highly subjective. Some coaches would prefer to be in Tallahassee regardless of winnability.

The majority, whom I presume want the best chance to win, would go to BCS.

Oh yes, let's hire a coach who had a crappy year and is being forced out. Got it. Sounds Aggie enough. This guy rode the coat tails of Saban at lsu and then Bowden. No, hell no!

um....he averages over 10 wins/year for the past 8 years. do you know how coattails work?

there's obviously no such thing as a sure thing (see fran), but jimbo is big time

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um....he averages over 10 wins/year for the past 8 years. do you know how coattails work?

there's obviously no such thing as a sure thing (see fran), but jimbo is big time

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RC did well for a while after Jackie too. Momentum. Looks like it's dying at fsu now

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Okay just to summarize. We aren't saying A&M is a better overall football program we are saying it's a better coaching job right now. If we polled all of the power 5 coaches and asked them which school they would rather coach at if they were paid $5million they would overwhelmingly pick A&M right? You guys are the biggest bunch of homers if you believe that. We are a top 15 destination factoring in all of the facilities etc. they are top 10.

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You keep making this claim without providing metrics to backup your assertion.

List 5 quantifiable advantages FSU has that make it more attractive for a coach without citing past W-L record.

Stop dodging.

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No one is dodging you, you're just asking a loaded question. If you think having a newer stadium and nicer workout room with nothing to show for it on the field in over 20 years makes you a better program over a team that has 4 decades of success at a high level and consistently brings in top recruiting classes because of it then we just disagree on what makes a coaching job attractive. I look at Florida State and see a program that can compete for a national championship every year and basically does every year despite their "lack of facilities "

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Because this isn't a debate over which is the better program. It's a debate over which is the better job.

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Well if you think which is a better program is not taken into consideration when a big time coach is deciding where to go then I don't know what to tell you

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um....he averages over 10 wins/year for the past 8 years. do you know how coattails work?

there's obviously no such thing as a sure thing (see fran), but jimbo is big time

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RC did well for a while after Jackie too. Momentum. Looks like it's dying at fsu now

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One injury riddled season doesn't mean they are losing momentum...FSU has avereaged 11.8 wins per season over the 5 seasons prior to this one

I think FSU carries more weight with recruits than A&M does.

Also think that the ACC is kinda the sweet spot as to conferences. Its not as tough to win as the SEC or Big 10 but its also one that if you are conference champ the last few years you go.

That and I think this board underestimates the amount of bull **** that comes with this job. Most schools dont have members of the Board of regents calling for his head on facebook

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Oh yes, let's hire a coach who had a crappy year and is being forced out. Got it. Sounds Aggie enough. This guy rode the coat tails of Saban at lsu and then Bowden. No, hell no!

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Bowden's last four years at FSU:



That coattail pretty much got shredded by the time Fisher took over.

he has the most wins in school history...momentum?

is nick saban riding the coattails of mike shula and joe kines?

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Negative. It's completely meaningless in terms of where and why a coach will choose a job.

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Jimbo to ucf. Got it.

Sarcasm btw...

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I guess that's true if you ignore the slew of other advantages for FSU over UCF like salary, facilities, admin support, recruiting advantages, etc.

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Exactly my point. Texas has an elite history with several national titles and had to settle on Charlie Strong.

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That last football facility upgrade at FSU was 2004.

Clemson and Duke had recent massive upgrades in football facilities.


FSU's next upgrade is only in the concept phase per AD Wilcox.

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2017/04/29/massive-facility-upgrades-coming-fsu/101067040/

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No. You read that article quite wrong. The last upgrade to the baseball stadium was in 2004. See below.

Florida State's non-stadium football facilities have been significantly upgraded as recently as 2014. Their football stadium was renovated as recently as 2016.

Jimbo has been wanting more football only facilities; but the facilities FSU football uses are quite nice and have been renovated and kept up well over the years.

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Exactly my point. Texas has an elite history with several national titles and had to settle on Charlie Strong.

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I think the Charlie Strong move to Austin is mostly an example of one thing---generally coaches aren't keen to leave good situations and good jobs even if we might think another college job is nonetheless "better."

The main route for a coach with anything close to Jimbo Fisher's profile to move to another college has been via failing in the NFL.

The ones who do move college to college, there's a deep personal connection or factor as often or more often than there isn't.

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This is why I simply cannot understand why Jimbo Fisher is even in the discussion right now. His only three victories so far this season have been to Wake Forest, Duke and Syracuse...where the largest margin of victory against any of these perennial football powerhouses was 7-points!

FSU began the season ranked #3, so there's no reason to assume this was a rebuilding year for the program. Faced with a staggering buyout, the Seminoles only solution so far has been to force Fisher to fire his assistant coaches. Sound familiar anyone?

Had Fisher pulled a stunt like 3-6 here at A&M, TexAgs would have already began issuing the torches and pitchforks. The appropriate title for this thread should have been, "Something is not right with Jimbo Fisher" and the fact the wheels have come off at FSU should serve as a warning for us to stay away.

Are you familiar with the term "body of work"?

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And yes, A&M would be a slightly better job for a new coach than FSU

We have the SEC brand.
We have better facilities.
We have a bigger stadium.
We have more money to pay assistants.


The X-factor right now is that FSU has a real coach in Jimbo.

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Oh wow... where to begin with this post.

1. That is such a pathetic excuse for why we're better. Living through conference affiliation is honestly embarrassing.

2. How do you know we have better facilities? This argument drives me crazy. It's as if y'all believe that because our facilities are slightly newer that everyone else is stuck in the stone age, which is not true. Literally 30 schools have this same argument. Texas, Oregon, Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, Ohio State, you name em...

3. Yes, because stadium size is the ultimate seller. Last time I checked, a full stadium is loud and looks/sounds like a full stadium with crazed/passionate fans.

4. Maybe that's true, but Florida State is a big enough power that is not going to be outbid for football coaches. I'd agree with your sentiment if this were Arizona State or Boston College you were talking about.

FSU since 1990 has been the better job, and like someone said earlier, very few people outside of B/CS would disagree.

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This is why I simply cannot understand why Jimbo Fisher is even in the discussion right now. His only three victories so far this season have been to Wake Forest, Duke and Syracuse...where the largest margin of victory against any of these perennial football powerhouses was 7-points!

FSU began the season ranked #3, so there's no reason to assume this was a rebuilding year for the program. Faced with a staggering buyout, the Seminoles only solution so far has been to force Fisher to fire his assistant coaches. Sound familiar anyone?

Had Fisher pulled a stunt like 3-6 here at A&M, TexAgs would have already began issuing the torches and pitchforks. The appropriate title for this thread should have been, "Something is not right with Jimbo Fisher" and the fact the wheels have come off at FSU should serve as a warning for us to stay away.

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Valid point.

He definately had no backup plan. He's been a great coach, but sometimes they run their course

I think the fact that he had zero qb replacements is scary. Reminds me of someone else.

Also, if he's truly being asked to fire assistants it's the beginning of the end.

I think I'd rather take a chance on an up and comer. I'm a gambler at heart though.

Go big or go home. Be interesting to see this all play
out in the next few weeks.

Fisher has been battling FSU admin for sorely needed facility upgrades. There is zero question ours are better.