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Something is not Right with this JImbo Fisher Scenario

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The way he lied, cheated, bribed police and witnesses and tried to cover-up Jameis' rape and other crimes and misdemeanors -all in order to protect his heisman /national championship quarterback!
With all due respect, these accusations may be a bit out there.

I do not recall in any of the reports that Jimbo had a direct hand in any of cover-up, much less pay-offs of officials.

I suspect there is some degree of "Plausible Deniability" in HC position, at any school. If punishment is meted out, then HC gets the lead, even when directed by AD, Compliance Officer, or University Admin.
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Agsuffering@bulaw said:

And yes, A&M would be a slightly better job for a new coach than FSU

We have the SEC brand.
We have better facilities.
We have a bigger stadium.
We have more money to pay assistants.


The X-factor right now is that FSU has a real coach in Jimbo.
From 247 sports - top jobs in CFB:

1 - Alabama
2 - Ohio State
3 - Clemson
4 - USC
5 - Oklahoma
6 - Florida State
7 - Michigan
8 - Texas
9 - LSU
10 - Georgia
11 - Florida
12 - Notre Dame
13 - UCLA
14 - Penn State
15 - Texas A&M

Top 15 job - Yes
Slightly better than FSU - Probably not
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jb6092 said:

Agsuffering@bulaw said:

And yes, A&M would be a slightly better job for a new coach than FSU

We have the SEC brand.
We have better facilities.
We have a bigger stadium.
We have more money to pay assistants.


The X-factor right now is that FSU has a real coach in Jimbo.
From 247 sports - top jobs in CFB:

1 - Alabama
2 - Ohio State
3 - Clemson
4 - USC
5 - Oklahoma
6 - Florida State
7 - Michigan
8 - Texas
9 - LSU
10 - Georgia
11 - Florida
12 - Notre Dame
13 - UCLA
14 - Penn State
15 - Texas A&M

Top 15 job - Yes
Slightly better than FSU - Probably not
This list looks pretty good except for UCLA. Not sure why that program is anything special unless they just had to include another west coast school to appear balanced.
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Does 247 explain its reasoning?

Most coaches would probably look at: (1) winnability; and (2) quality of life. Yes, "quality of life" is highly subjective based individual tastes and priorities.

To me, that list looks like a lazy "journalist" looked at the AP poll and history. I will leave quality of life aside for now and focus just on winnability.

U$Cw would have to be the most winnable place. Southern Cal has incredible talent. UCLA has always been the #2 program. Many of you saw how flat and sorry UCLA's game-day atmosphere is. All other legit competitors are located at least a 5 hour drive away somewhere that is cold, a desert, and/or a lot farther than a 5 hour drive.

Plus U$Cw fans are relatively tolerant compared to SEC fans. The crap the Vol fans pulled this year would never happen there.


Clemson should not be anywhere near the top 10. SC is a small state and lacks the talent to support 1 major program. And it lacks the SEC brand for recruiting. Dabo is the genuine article. Clemson without Dabo is a perpetual 8-4 ACC program.


ou likewise does not belong in the top 5. Stoops was to ou what Dabo is to Clemson. ou has to go into TX and take recruits away from A&M and tu. Now that A&M is in the SEC, that is much harder to do. ou struggled for years to get their stadium expansion built and ended up having to reduce the scope.


That 246 statement is lazy "journalism" at its worst.
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Sooo...a lot of speculation on Jimbo to say he's the top target. If so, would be okay with it but not super excited. Based on what was suggested by another so-called-connected guy, if we're going after some big name nfl guys, there are some exciting prospects out there that would make some sense. Young Shula from Carolina for example; match that with a DC like Dennis Allen, and keep our better recruiters, keep Banks for example, then, I'm
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If you remove the names and list every advantage of both programs A&M is on par or better.

Better funding, better conference, better facilities

FSU was nothing before Bowden.
According to the Biden White House, what Joe Biden says does not represent the official position of the Biden administration.
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Agsuffering@bulaw said:

Short version:

A&M is a slightly better job than FSU,
lol FSU has finished unranked only 3 times since 2000

A&M has finished RANKED 3 times in that same time

Delusion
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mjfrog said:

Sooo...a lot of speculation on Jimbo to say he's the top target. If so, would be okay with it but not super excited. Based on what was suggested by another so-called-connected guy, if we're going after some big name nfl guys, there are some exciting prospects out there that would make some sense. Young Shula from Carolina for example; match that with a DC like Dennis Allen, and keep our better recruiters, keep Banks for example, then, I'm

The same Mike Shula that was was fired at Bama.

And Dennis Allen is going to leave the DC position with the Saints for the same position at A&M.

You must be out of your mind.
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Am I? Rumors are that the Sean Payton tenure has played it's course and that Brees is nearing the end of his career. Dennis Allen is certainly doable if the rumors of our BMA pockets are accurate. As for the HC, I have no idea which if any NFL coaches are eyeing the job, but if we want to be the NFL prospect machine that Saban has built at Bama, the NFL angle makes the most sense for the price. Why would we exert all this energy on these so-called CFB winners that only utilize players that are read-pass-option specialists. I'm tired of this style of play, to the point that I watch twice as much NFL games as I do college games. Just look at Jimbo, after his star QB goes down to injury; that's what we want to pay in excess of 5 mil/yr for ? Why? There are better options that are more sustainable. Say what you want about Harbaugh at Michigan, but that and the Stanford style of play is the model to build on IMO.
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Do not want.
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Agsuffering@bulaw said:



Clemson should not be anywhere near the top 10. SC is a small state and lacks the talent to support 1 major program. And it lacks the SEC brand for recruiting. Dabo is the genuine article. Clemson without Dabo is a perpetual 8-4 ACC program.


ou likewise does not belong in the top 5. Stoops was to ou what Dabo is to Clemson. ou has to go into TX and take recruits away from A&M and tu. Now that A&M is in the SEC, that is much harder to do. ou struggled for years to get their stadium expansion built and ended up having to reduce the scope.



Clemson recruits A whole state with only one other in state competitor and they recruit Georgia hard. plus....
Clemson is freaking gorgeous. Visit it sometime.




OU is in top 5 football programs of all time both from total wins and National Titles. I hate the sum*****es but it's a better program. Most Coaches would prefer it over good guys. absolutely no doubt about that.

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Boiling Denim said:

Agsuffering@bulaw said:

Short version:

A&M is a slightly better job than FSU,
lol FSU has finished unranked only 3 times since 2000

A&M has finished RANKED 3 times in that same time

Delusion


Other than past wins and losses what other advantage in terms of being a "better job" does FSU have?

Why does a coach care about past W-L record?
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We just need to build that lazy river already, and then, whatev?
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Agsuffering@bulaw said:

Clemson should not be anywhere near the top 10. SC is a small state and lacks the talent to support 1 major program. And it lacks the SEC brand for recruiting. Dabo is the genuine article. Clemson without Dabo is a perpetual 8-4 ACC program.


ou likewise does not belong in the top 5. Stoops was to ou what Dabo is to Clemson. ou has to go into TX and take recruits away from A&M and tu. Now that A&M is in the SEC, that is much harder to do. ou struggled for years to get their stadium expansion built and ended up having to reduce the scope.
What program out there isn't "perpetually 8-4 (or worse)" without a great coach at the helm?

Alabama, Michigan, USC, Oklahoma...you name it, maybe with the lone exception of Ohio State...what program hasn't gone through some raw years between great coaches?



As far as OU and Clemson...

Bob Stoops is a Hall of Fame coach who reinvigorated that program, but OU has a long, long history of being an elite program. It seems to me their history is more Alabama/Michigan-like than Clemson, and in that regard, he seems to me more Nick Saban/Jim Harbaugh than he does Dabo Swinney.

It might not make logical sense, but OU has never had sustained trouble competing for championships and it sure doesn't seem like A&M's move to the SEC has hurt them much. The rumors of their death in 2014 seem to have been grossly exaggerated.


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That 246 statement is lazy "journalism" at its worst.

Its hard for me to get upset at calling OU a top 5 program when they posted at least 4 top finishes in the 1970s, 1980s, and 2000s, and are well on track to do it again in the 2010s.
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CoachLB said:

Reasons a coach will leave a really good job. #1 Cannot get along with AD, boosters etc. #2 Feels under appreciated. Saban said winning got to be a relief more than something to enjoy. No matter what you do the fans think it is not enough. Ever worked a job where no matter what you do it is not enough or not appreciated? #3 Needs a new challenge. Sometimes you just need to leave because you want the excitement of a new place and the challenge of starting something new. #4 Want to test yourself against the best. Successful coaches believe they can beat anybody and want to compete against the best. Can you imagine being the coach who knocks Saban from the throne? Several other reasons. Family etc. And I didn't even bring up Money.
So true. Bama fans always leave the stadium early.

I know of a high school program that would stuff 15-20,000 in stands for 4-5 years to watch their team win. After many state titles, people quit coming to the games.
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ironmanag said:

If you remove the names and list every advantage of both programs A&M is on par or better.

Better funding, better conference, better facilities

FSU was nothing before Bowden.


Nothing before Bowden huh? That was almost 40 years go you know
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QCAg93 said:

Not crazy about Fischer either or at least investing in him as if he will do much better than Sumlin. Take away J. Winston and most people would say Fischer who unless they really followed NCAA football. ACC to me is weaker than SEC and has he really done that much better?


Fisher* won 12 games the year before Winston and 10 games two years in a row right after Winston
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HoustonAg2106 said:

ironmanag said:

If you remove the names and list every advantage of both programs A&M is on par or better.

Better funding, better conference, better facilities

FSU was nothing before Bowden.


Nothing before Bowden huh? That was almost 40 years go you know
41 years. Bowden started in 1976.

Florida State didn't start playing football until 1947---it was a women's college up to that point.

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whoever follows Saban at Bama is doomed to fail regardless of the game by game results. If I'm Dabo or Jimbo I want nothing to do with a post Saban Bama as a coach. Jimbo could reasonably expect to build the next SEC dynasty here.
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NoahAg said:

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A&M is a slightly better job than FSU
Stopped reading here. NO ONE outside B/CS believes A&M is a better job than FSU.



Some of you are so delusional.
Texas A&M is a better job than Florida State. If both jobs were open this season and the Aggies and Seminoles were vying for the same head coach, he'd end up in College Station. Now there's no guarantee that Fisher would actually leave the school he's been at for more than a decade (and eight years as a head coach) but if you think FSU is a more attractive job to a head coach at this point in time, you're completely off-base and are unfamiliar with all of the things beyond 'it's easier to win in the ACC and you don't have to coach against Saban' that make a great job better than a good one. We can debate a lot of things between now and December but let's officially put this one to rest.
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OldArmy72 said:

I'm an old and I would greatly love to see TAMU hire a real coach who can win us a conference championship or even a National Title. But I would never go so low as to sell my soul to get a scum bucket coach like Jimbo. The way he lied, cheated, bribed police and witnesses and tried to cover-up Jameis' rape and other crimes and misdemeanors -all in order to protect his heisman /national championship quarterback!
Not Only NO, But Hell NO to hiring someone who sold his soul to the devil. We don't need this kind of degenerate coaching our kids with no regard to right or wrong - regardless of their record!
Hire Jimbo Fisher and I'll mail my Aggie Ring back to the Association! I Guar-an-dam -tee You!



Umm what the hell are you talking? Can you find any article or shred of proof that Jimbo lied, cheated, covered up, and bribed police officers or witnesses? That is just making up stuff, unless you are confusing Jimbo with Art Briles...and since you admitted to being old I guess you can have a pass if that's the case
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Liucci said:

NoahAg said:

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A&M is a slightly better job than FSU
Stopped reading here. NO ONE outside B/CS believes A&M is a better job than FSU.



Some of you are so delusional.
Texas A&M is a better job than Florida State. If both jobs were open this season and the Aggies and Seminoles were vying for the same head coach, he'd end up in College Station. Now there's no guarantee that Fisher would actually leave the school he's been at for more than a decade (and eight years as a head coach) but if you think FSU is a more attractive job to a head coach at this point in time, you're completely off-base and are unfamiliar with all of the things beyond 'it's easier to win in the ACC and you don't have to coach against Saban' that make a great job better than a good one. We can debate a lot of things between now and December but let's officially put this one to rest.


Consider me a master debater then. I think they're equal jobs at best and give FSU the edge because they won it all recently.

I will not argue ags have more money and better facilities. Fan base and talent pool very similar though. FSU has recent winning on its side
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Hincemm said:

Liucci said:

NoahAg said:

Quote:

A&M is a slightly better job than FSU
Stopped reading here. NO ONE outside B/CS believes A&M is a better job than FSU.



Some of you are so delusional.
Texas A&M is a better job than Florida State. If both jobs were open this season and the Aggies and Seminoles were vying for the same head coach, he'd end up in College Station. Now there's no guarantee that Fisher would actually leave the school he's been at for more than a decade (and eight years as a head coach) but if you think FSU is a more attractive job to a head coach at this point in time, you're completely off-base and are unfamiliar with all of the things beyond 'it's easier to win in the ACC and you don't have to coach against Saban' that make a great job better than a good one. We can debate a lot of things between now and December but let's officially put this one to rest.


Consider me a master debater then. I think they're equal jobs at best and give FSU the edge because they won it all recently.

I will not argue ags have more money and better facilities. Fan base and talent pool very similar though. FSU has recent winning on its side


It's not just recent winning, they have been a winning program for 40 years now
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Wow, just wow. ATM is a better job than Florida St. I am pretty sure you won't find this anywhere but Texags. Shocked that Lucci chimed in on this.
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I frankly don't know what the record of each team over the past 40 years is. Will take your word for it.
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Mr. Liucci dropping golden bricks Italian Job style on this one.

Thanks for all that you do and your mother was a delight to speak with at the tailgate for the Auburn game!
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Texas A&M is a better job than Florida State. If both jobs were open this season and the Aggies and Seminoles were vying for the same head coach, he'd end up in College Station...We can debate a lot of things between now and December but let's officially put this one to rest.

Deus Ex Machina! Looch has vindicated my position!


Some of you cannot/ will not dig a layer deeper than history. Future Success is about money, recruiting, and wise decision making. Stadium Size usually tells the money story. Recruiting is about geography and money. That is it. Most of the historical winners won because they had more money and spent it wisely.
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Hincemm said:

I frankly don't know what the record of each team over the past 40 years is. Will take your word for it.


Well Bowden only had one losing season in 34 years as head coach at Florida State with an overall record of 304-97-4 with 2 national titles and 12 conference championships.

Jimbo took over after Bowden and has a record of 81-23 in 7 seasons with a national championship and 3 conference titles

So total over 40 years is 3 national titles, 15 conference championships with overall record of 385-120-4

I'll let you compare that to A&M in your own time
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Hincemm said:

Liucci said:

NoahAg said:

Quote:

A&M is a slightly better job than FSU
Stopped reading here. NO ONE outside B/CS believes A&M is a better job than FSU.



Some of you are so delusional.
Texas A&M is a better job than Florida State. If both jobs were open this season and the Aggies and Seminoles were vying for the same head coach, he'd end up in College Station. Now there's no guarantee that Fisher would actually leave the school he's been at for more than a decade (and eight years as a head coach) but if you think FSU is a more attractive job to a head coach at this point in time, you're completely off-base and are unfamiliar with all of the things beyond 'it's easier to win in the ACC and you don't have to coach against Saban' that make a great job better than a good one. We can debate a lot of things between now and December but let's officially put this one to rest.


Consider me a master debater then. I think they're equal jobs at best and give FSU the edge because they won it all recently.

I will not argue ags have more money and better facilities. Fan base and talent pool very similar though. FSU has recent winning on its side


Why would a coach give a flying **** about recent winning percentage when choosing a job?
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So you agree Jimbo would be a better hire correct? Didn't see your position earlier except maybe disbelief that it could happen. Averaging 11 wins in 7 years is all I had to say to my dad before he changed his tune. Numbers matter.
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Electric said:

Wow, just wow. ATM is a better job than Florida St. I am pretty sure you won't find this anywhere but Texags. Shocked that Lucci chimed in on this.


List the quantifiable reasons FSU Is a better job than A&M without citing the historical won loss record (which matters dick to a new coach)


I'll wait.
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Bayside Tiger Ag said:

Hincemm said:

Liucci said:

NoahAg said:

Quote:

A&M is a slightly better job than FSU
Stopped reading here. NO ONE outside B/CS believes A&M is a better job than FSU.



Some of you are so delusional.
Texas A&M is a better job than Florida State. If both jobs were open this season and the Aggies and Seminoles were vying for the same head coach, he'd end up in College Station. Now there's no guarantee that Fisher would actually leave the school he's been at for more than a decade (and eight years as a head coach) but if you think FSU is a more attractive job to a head coach at this point in time, you're completely off-base and are unfamiliar with all of the things beyond 'it's easier to win in the ACC and you don't have to coach against Saban' that make a great job better than a good one. We can debate a lot of things between now and December but let's officially put this one to rest.


Consider me a master debater then. I think they're equal jobs at best and give FSU the edge because they won it all recently.

I will not argue ags have more money and better facilities. Fan base and talent pool very similar though. FSU has recent winning on its side


Why would a coach give a flying **** about recent winning percentage when choosing a job?


Again it's not just about a program with recent winning history, we're talking about a program that has proven to be a winning program for 4 decades...how do you not take that into consideration when choosing a school like that over a school that has not been able to win consistently ever?
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I guess if we're gonna do that might as well hand over the title to Baylor cause they had a 5 year run. Baylor is so much more desirable than A&M!
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Because a coach doesn't doesn't believe in luck, fantasy, or magic. If the money, facilities, and resources are there he's going to make that drive his decision.

Again, list the quantifiable metrics that make FSU a better job without citing historical records.
 
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