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Something is not Right with this JImbo Fisher Scenario

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Ms Hawg...now come-on....I despise FSU, but Bobby needed to be run off. Heck, if I was King of FSU he would have been booted about 2 years earlier. FSU owed him nothing as he was paid fair market value for all of his efforts except for the last few years. During those last few years he was pulling in $4 million or so and delivering $400k results. Bobby waaaaay over-stayed his time at FSU.
That's because Jimbo was named HCIW (back when the NCAA allowed those titles.) Always easier to jettison the old coach when his replacement is already there and recruiting for the last several years.

Was Bowden past his prime? Certainly. And yes, it was time for his farewell tour. Doesn't make Tallahassee any more attractive or the fan base less demanding.
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more seriously... this make me skeptical that Fisher is doing anything other than letting his agent work the marks (i.e. us)

Fisher and his wife just went through an ugly divorce (allegations she was cheating on him), but
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The 2015 season presented more challenges for Fisher off the field.

The couple was awarded joint custody with Jimbo getting the boys Thursday after school through Sunday. Jimbo missed his kids, although he was comforted knowing they were close by (Candi still lives in Tallahassee) and Ethan was in good hands.

"It did pull at me," he said. "But I knew he was taken care of. She's a great mom, tremendous mom, loving. But any spare moment that was what I did, went to see my kids.

"Any time I'm away from my kids it hurts because at the end of the day that's what it's all about."
Their son also has Fanconi's anemia.
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Jimbo is in no position to use A&M(or anyone else) as leverage against FSU right now. If this is a leverage play by his agent, he's likely using us against another suitor.
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It took me seconds to Google Fishers son. And read about Jimbo missing an entire spring practices to be with his son. About the fund raising efforts for his sons illness. And the latest article from Aug. 2017 about his son doing well and playing baseball, flag football and hunting and fishing. The article said he has blood work a couple of times a year and goes to Minnesota once a year to see his specialist. If you do not like him as a coach just say so. But to act like he doesn't love his son is just wrong.
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CrazyDayDuck said:

biobioprof said:

Agsuffering@bulaw said:

Assume Jimbo and Kevin both die in tragic accidents tonight. What makes FSU more attractive to a new hire?
Publix crab claws

And the Tallahassee PD, which looks the other way when Coeds are raped.

Don't forget the DA's office. They were complicit in it as well.
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First off, thanks for the info....I didn't know that HCIW was not allowed anymore. I mainly agree with everything you have posted. I was specifically responding to the "fan base" ran him off comment. Kinda makes it sound like the fans were unreasonable or delusional. What happened to Bobby was, in my view, totally understandable and justified. Again, I despise FSU so I would jump at the chance to give them a poke, but tossing Bobby was the only sane/fiscally responsible choice. Actually, on second thought there was another alternative...cut his salary to reflect his coaching performance which would mean $250,000 to $500,000 per year.
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NCAA ruled that designating a HCIW was a recruiting violation if they didn't abide by the restrictions on visits and contacts by the regular HC. Thus it no longer became advantageous to use that designation if one of your coordinators couldn't recruit as heavily.

It also had the unintended side effect of enhancing any disenchantment with the sitting HC into a flash fire.
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The only reason FSU would be considered a better program than A&M is "recent history" or the last 30 years. and the reason for that is coaching. The moment A&M hires a coach that can get us even an SEC title much less a NC A&M would be a "top program" because of all the other intangibles. There is a reason we are considered the most underachieving program. it isn't because we lose. it is because of all the reasons we should win more.
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Jimbo's coming
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1) 8 years is a long time to be a head coach at one spot...especially where you've reached the peak but haven't seen Saban level success. Not everyone is a lifer at one program

2) He got divorced a few years ago and who knows what scars may or may not be related to the area

3) He has a long history with Woodward from their time at LSU and apparently they stay in touch

4) FSU is falling behind in facilities wars and he has apparently been pushing for more commitment on that front for a while.

5) Sumlin, while maybe not quite being the right guy for A&M...was not a bad coach. Jimbo wouldn't be walking into a complete rebuild.

6) pick up sticks
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Agsuffering@bulaw
Jimbo may see the writing on the wall with FSU's facilities not matching Clemson's. He probably wants the boosters to fork up some banana skins and build jimbo the stadium he wants, and his agent entertaining offers from a program that has done that recently is probably a good tactic to force them to do that.


Except that jimbo is 3-6 this year so he isn't doing this from a position of strength

The more likely scenario is that FSU decides to let him walk rather than give in, and he goes somewhere else, hopefully here




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1) 8 years is a long time to be a head coach at one spot...especially where you've reached the peak but haven't seen Saban level success. Not everyone is a lifer at one program
Not to mention the number of years he spent as OC/HCIW there.
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Honestly.. The only reason he would leave is because Jimbo is not very appreciated there. At least not as much as he should be. It's been this way for a while. The Clemson surge hasn't helped things. Getting yelled at by people in the stands has gotten to him. After a frustrating year on top of this plus most of your D is likely going pro.. This would be the time.

It's a long shot but, not as long as you think. Furthermore, we are bound to pull one of these guys at some point. It boils down to a numbers game with A&M because we have too much to offer. This is no longer a little brother scenario in a lower tier power 5 conference. We have an SEC tag. Top 5 money and facilities. Loyal fan base and a nationwide exposure. Recruiting remains high despite consistent underwhelming performance. Which wouldn't occur in The Big 12. That alone should give you an estimate of A&M's new potential.

It may not be this go around but, one of these guys will eventually bite. Instead of using us for a raise.
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That is fascinating. Talk about over-regulation. NCAA essentially declares that HC = HCIW.
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I'm an old and I would greatly love to see TAMU hire a real coach who can win us a conference championship or even a National Title. But I would never go so low as to sell my soul to get a scum bucket coach like Jimbo. The way he lied, cheated, bribed police and witnesses and tried to cover-up Jameis' rape and other crimes and misdemeanors -all in order to protect his heisman /national championship quarterback!
Not Only NO, But Hell NO to hiring someone who sold his soul to the devil. We don't need this kind of degenerate coaching our kids with no regard to right or wrong - regardless of their record!
Hire Jimbo Fisher and I'll mail my Aggie Ring back to the Association! I Guar-an-dam -tee You!
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OldArmy72 said:

I'm an old and I would greatly love to see TAMU hire a real coach who can win us a conference championship or even a National Title. But I would never go so low as to sell my soul to get a scum bucket coach like Jimbo. The way he lied, cheated, bribed police and witnesses and tried to cover-up Jameis' rape and other crimes and misdemeanors -all in order to protect his heisman /national championship quarterback!
Not Only NO, But Hell NO to hiring someone who sold his soul to the devil. We don't need this kind of degenerate coaching our kids with no regard to right or wrong - regardless of their record!
Hire Jimbo Fisher and I'll mail my Aggie Ring back to the Association! I Guar-an-dam -tee You!
your memories and achievements at the greatest university on the planet ought to be symbolized by the ring you wear, not whomever the (potential) head football coach is.

i can understand not donating money to the foundation because of the hire.
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jml2621 said:

Agsuffering@bulaw said:

No, but 52 isn't that young either. Stoops retired at 56 or 57. Very few can still do it at a high level after 60.



I assume you're posting this to support the original point, as it is the epitome of the "very few."
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A&M is a worse job than FSU...
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please elaborate
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OldArmy72 said:

DI'm an old and I would greatly love to see TAMU hire a real coach who can win us a conference championship or even a National Title. But I would never go so low as to sell my soul to get a scum bucket coach like Jimbo. The way he lied, cheated, bribed police and witnesses and tried to cover-up Jameis' rape and other crimes and misdemeanors -all in order to protect his heisman /national championship quarterback!
Not Only NO, But Hell NO to hiring someone who sold his soul to the devil. We don't need this kind of degenerate coaching our kids with no regard to right or wrong - regardless of their record!
Hire Jimbo Fisher and I'll mail my Aggie Ring back to the Association! I Guar-an-dam -tee You!
Don't know if this helps or not, but at UF, and at most SEC universities, the head coach is not an employee of the University. Rather he is a guy hired by the big-wigs (UAA at UF) to coach the team. He is not an employee, he gets no pension or health insurance and he has no (tenure/union) rights. He is an employee at will paid by a group of alumni. Bottom line, if you squint you will see TA&MU is pure as the driven snow.
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CoachLB said:

It took me seconds to Google Fishers son. And read about Jimbo missing an entire spring practices to be with his son. About the fund raising efforts for his sons illness. And the latest article from Aug. 2017 about his son doing well and playing baseball, flag football and hunting and fishing. The article said he has blood work a couple of times a year and goes to Minnesota once a year to see his specialist. If you do not like him as a coach just say so. But to act like he doesn't love his son is just wrong.

Art Briles 2.0

Put that in your virtue signaling pipe and smoke it.
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Hogtown said:

That is fascinating. Talk about over-regulation. NCAA essentially declares that HC = HCIW.
Well, it wasn't that glaring until people started recruiting 9th graders and below. That's a visit from their future HC. If put in that context, it makes sense.
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Inspector Javert said:

A&M is a worse job than FSU...


Why not worser or badder? If the English language is to be butchered then waste no strokes.
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Phoenix1 said:

Stopped reading at Texas A&M is a slightly better job than FSU.


Me too.
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who hacked your account? usmcbrooks usually has top notch gifs in his posts!
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Agree 100%. In that context it makes total sense.
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Jimmy Sexton is what's wrong.
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LOL at people thinking he is using this as leverage to stay at FSU. Now between two other schools? Maybe. But he is 3-6 and JUST got a contract extension. They would call his bluff if that was the case.
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Aggiesincebirth said:

LOL at people thinking he is using this as leverage to stay at FSU. Now between two other schools? Maybe. But he is 3-6 and JUST got a contract extension. They would call his bluff if that was the case.
it's leverage to get better facilities so he can compete with clemson and a resurgent miami, not for a bigger salary.
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I can agree with that. I think that's the only leverage he would be going after but he played this game last year and they gave him a salary bump. Wouldn't they have updated the stuff he wanted if he has been *****ing about it for the last several years?

He can walk into a situation where he has that already without taking 2-3 years to build it. That's also without knowing their financial situation and how much fund raising they have to do.
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Agsuffering@bulaw said:

Short version:

A&M is a slightly better job than FSU, but I don't see why he leaves FSU. Going to a new place means rebuilding. He is 52 years old. Why does he want to rebuild now? Why does he want to leave a place where he won a title. Why does he want to walk away from at least $40 mil guaranteed, but probably more like $50.

A good coach can win a title from either program. At this point, I dont see what we could offer him, other than a brinks truck.


Here is what I know:

-JImbo gets $5.75/year, through 2024, or 7 years remaining
-However, he gets an extension of another year the first 2 times he wins 9 games
-Contract has other bonuses too
-But if he leaves, Jimbo owes FSU the buyouts for any of his assistants they do not keep on
-I could not find current assistant info, but he probably has a big money DC making around a mil, and guaranteed for several years; the others are probably not as high, nor guaranteed for more than a year


-FSU has access to great recruiting just like A&M
-The ACC is a slight downgrade relative to the SEC
Who told you A&M was a slightly better job than FSU. They have an easier conference, pay as much money, have a great recruiting area and you can shave a monkey & get them in. Add to that they have a tenth of our alumni to put up with. What's not to like?






http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2016/12/19/fsus-jimbo-fisher-receives-contract-extension/95624884/
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The logic of some here is incredible. Arguing that FSU is a better job BECAUSE they have more recent winning history ignored the very obvious fact that the ONLY relevance of that to a prospective coach is he can use it in recruiting and it helps a little. A little, not a ton. That's it. Other than that, that history has the least to do with helping him do his job - and making the job, thus, "better" - than others. ALL the other factors are in A&M's favor. Think about it like this: A&M was clearly a better job than Oregon...until Oregon started winning more (using these peoples' logic). It just took hitting on the right coach. All of our winning before that didn't change anything, or help us on the field. Yes, it's a factor, but not even close to the biggest one because it helps the least.
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Not crazy about Fischer either or at least investing in him as if he will do much better than Sumlin. Take away J. Winston and most people would say Fischer who unless they really followed NCAA football. ACC to me is weaker than SEC and has he really done that much better?
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Gundy is 50? I thought he was 40.
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BS. A&M is ahead of FSU in every category imaginable but one.
 
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