Oh TexAgs, I just can't quit you...lol.

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If you thought she was dead ass wrong about this, you should read the stuff she posts on the politics board! This fail is only matched by her prediction that Republicans would be trying to take credit for Obamacare because it was going to be such an epic success!

Texas is without a doubt destined for the PAC-whatever it is. They will not play A&M for a long time, obviously, not because of fear but because there is no need for them to play it! OU is Texas' undisputed, long-time rival, a fact understood by any unbiased fan. The Texas/OU game will always be played, irrespective of conference affiliation, simply because it is a match-up of interest to the entire nation and because both programs have been contending at a high level, time immemorial. Texas has moved on and so should A&M!

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Texas is without a doubt destined for the PAC-whatever it is. They will not play A&M for a long time, obviously, not because of fear but because there is no need for them to play it! OU is Texas' undisputed, long-time rival, a fact understood by any unbiased fan. The Texas/OU game will always be played, irrespective of conference affiliation, simply because it is a match-up of interest to the entire nation and because both programs have been contending at a high level, time immemorial. Texas has moved on and so should A&M!

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This must explain why sippys new coach, new AD, some other coach on the D and several others keep bringing it up...certainly have moved on...that much is clear!!!

It's threads like this that prove that 90% of the posters on ANY boar don't know what the **** they're talking about.

Now- a few are visionary.....

Deputy Travis Junior, I agree!

"The Texas/OU game will always be played, irrespective of conference affiliation, simply because it is a match-up of interest to the entire nation and because both programs have been contending at a high level, time immemorial."

Wake-up, McFly!

Texas USED to mean something - maybe -- maybe 40 years ago. Since 1970, the Longhorns have been pretty much irrelevant to the national scene. The only exception was the single year Vince Young won the Longhorns a National Championship.

Texas hasn't beaten a Top 25 team in DKR-Burger King Memorial Stadium in 4 years. Yep, you are 0-8 against Top 25 at home during that period.

In fact, against the weak sisters of the Big 12 over that same time period, the Longhorns are 18-17. Can you even beat Baylor?

Is "contending at a high level" include getting pounded by a very weak BYU team? And we do mean those Mormon boys gave you an old fashioned curb stomping.

Is "contending at a high level" include having the Top 5 coaches you were after to replace Mack "Milk" Brown say, "No, No, Nope, Never, and No way?"

Is "contending at a high level" having recruits from legacy families say, "Honestly it doesn't really matter though because I wont go there [t.u.]. I wont even visit. Ive been there a thousand times since Ive been eight years old.
I want to play big time ball in the SEC, he added."?

Is "contending at a high level" playing Baylor? (HA-HA!!), Iowa State? (HA-HA-HA!!), Kansas? (Hor-de-hor-hor-hor!), Tceh? (HE-HE-HE!), Kansas State? (Slap Me!)??? Really?

Now -- quit living in some dream past. Wake up and smell the coffee: Texas A&M dominates this state. We dominate the recruiting, we have the best players, the best coach, we have the best fans, we have the best conference slate, and we certainly dominate the TV ratings.

Look -- our rivals are UT -- the University of Tennessee. Another funky orange color. Go back to your own boards and realize -- you just don't matter any more.






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I'm not a sip, just an objective observer! My wife and two kids are Aggies! Just a difference of opinion with no ill-will intended!

It's not about your ill-will, konrad. In fact, I don't think you intended such. It's just the mindless parroting of sip talking points. "OU is our real rival", "Texas doesn't need to play A&M", blah, blah, blah.

Fact is it is tu who is talking about starting a series with us. Tech as well. Do you know why?

Money. A&M fans travel. That's a big boost to local economies. But it is also just moving money around in-state. B/CS is getting out of state money when Florida, LSU, Bama and all of our SEC brethren come to town.

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Another shoutout for Spreadsheet. Spot on.

I love reading this thread

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Originally posted by 94Sip:
This must be a strategy of disinformation. How could anyone in their right mind not want to go be part of the SEC? Or go to the Pac10 and let ATM and OU go to the SEC?

Consider the matchups:
Texas vs. LSU
Texas vs. Georgia
Texas vs Alabama
Texas vs. Florida

or

Texas vs. Oregon
Texas vs. WSU/Washington
Texas vs. Cal

I guess we could get all our lib staffers to go to Berkley and smoke dope all weekend and read philosophy?

Sure the USC/UCLA games would be "ok" and the Arizona State trips would be fun "talent" inspections. But there is no way you can sell the Pac10 matchups as anything rivaling the SEC matchups.

Hell, none of the Pac10 stadiums are near the size of ours or the SECs. Maybe Vandy or Ole Miss.


Couldn't agree more. 

BTW, those concerned about SEC cheating are selectively overlooking recent Pac 10 transgressions at USC, Oregon, Washington, and Oregon State, and the presence of Dennis Erickson as HC at ASU.

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This is chapter one in a five or six chapter book and each chapter will become more interesting.

Let's assume that the Pac 10 does offer the schools listed.
I don't believe it is a all or none deal.
UT and ou are the primary targets, but I think the Pac 10 wants to add at least two more schools ASAP.

Let's look at the schools individually.

COLORADO.

I have to think CU is already a done deal.
As soon as the offer hits the table, boom, CU will accept - IMO.

Probability of CU accepting a Pac 10 offer : 99%, if not a 100%, IMO.

TEXAS TECH.

Texas tech has to face UT and ou annually in the Big XII south division.
If UT and ou do not accept a Pac 10 offer [more on that later] then Tech has a chance to play in a much softer division and a real chance to meet SoCal, Oregon or UCLA in a conference title game.

While it is true tech recruits the state of Texas the Red Raiders do NOT depended solely on Lone Star State talent as much as UT & aTm.

There is little reason [I can see] tech would hesitate long before accepting the Pac 10 offer.
It would help their recruiting efforts on the West Coast and would probably intice a few Texan's who want to stay in-state, but favor playing at West Coast venue over whereever UT or ou may end up.

Probability of tech accepting a Pac 10 offer : 90%, IMO.
Texas tech really needs the money. 
If you recall the Red Raiders were talking about not be able to meet debts last year.

ou and oSu :

Both schools depend heavily on recruiting the Lone Star State.
My initial thoughs are such a move would not hurt neithers recruiting of Texas Athletes and would help recruiting West Coast Athletes.
ou got some top talent from California last year [the 2010 class].

The only thing that could hurt ou [IMO] is that if UT goes in another direction and chooses to eliminate the annual game versus ou in Dallas.
This is a huge recruiting tool for the sooners in the Lone Star State.

oSu might consider what the * Big XII would look like after the departure of ou, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Missouri and Nebraska.

The Cowboys would be the big fish in a revamped Big XII with no ou, Texas, Texas Tech [**Nebraska, Missouri] and Texas A&M.
In oSu's case, winning it all regardless of the conference might be a consideration.
T. Boone has spent a lot money and he wants a championship of some sort. 
T. Boone has a record of getting what he wants even if he has pull someones teeth to get it.

Probablity of oSu accepting a Pac 10 offer : 50%, and it will weight heavily upon whether the Cowboys wants to remain attached at the hip to ou.

Probability of the sooners accepting a Pac 10 offer : 50%, depends heavily upon whether UT would continue to play the sooners no matter where the Longhorns may end up.


I don't think the aggies want to be attached to UTs hip as much as most OBs think.
Plain truth is aggies are not as good as Texas and are destined to being 2nd best in the state at most anything one wants to discuss.
Except the reason the school was established [farming & ranching].

A&M has appealed to Louisiana kids in the past, and one has to believe they could do OK recruiting in Missippissi too.
We are talking about basically country boys from most smaller cities.



I believe the SEC will offer UT and Texas A&M and I don't think it will be a all or none deal.

Probability of Texas A&M accepting a Pac 10 offer [regardless of what UT does] : 50% or less.
Probability of Texas A&M accepting a SEC offer reagrdless of UT does : 90%.

The University of Texas.

Texas will listen to every offer and I think two more offers are coming [the SEC and the Big 10].
And UT still has the going independent route and the TEXAS NETWORK as a option.

I don't think Texas will be influenced by what any Big XII school does [except the fact that when CU and TT accepts the Pac 10 offers and Nebraska and Missouri accept the Big 10 offers, UT will realize that saving the Big XII is a uphill battle they should avoid].
The 'Horns probably know that already and are just trying to quote the company line in public.

Probability of the University of Texas accepting a Pac 10 offer : 40%.

* The Big XII will survive at least for a few more years and will grab up the rements of the old SWC, Tulsa, New Mexico, Tulane and Utah if someone doesn't beat them to the punch. 

** Missouri and Nebraska have all but said they would accept a Big 10 offer.

The Big 10 is the right place for both these schools in my opinion.
This is probably the reason the Pac 10 will not offer. 
I believe [behind the scenes] MU and NU going to the Big 10 is already a done deal except for the small print details.

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Originally posted by Craben:
Merging w. the Pac 10 only offers the hope of matching the starting point where the Big 10 and SEC already are. OTOH, adding UT to the SEC or Big 10 offers the possibility of increasing the $20MM per school already in-place. It's hard to believe UT turn down the bird-in-hand for bird-in-bush, unless it's a case of both the Big 10 and SEC being unwilling to entertain Belmont's dreams of an interregional conference. 




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94sip was dead on

I'm posting on this thread simply because I know spreadsheet will continue to bump for the next 30 years.

I guess I'll make a wildass prediction, too. We play the sips again in a bowl in '17

Tell us now about that "destiny", sodium. The world awaits.

Never have so many been so wrong about so much.

One of the greatest threads to be written...so much crow eaten and shock from every one that has watched

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Texas is without a doubt destined for the PAC-whatever it is. They will not play A&M for a long time, obviously, not because of fear but because there is no need for them to play it! OU is Texas' undisputed, long-time rival, a fact understood by any unbiased fan. The Texas/OU game will always be played, irrespective of conference affiliation, simply because it is a match-up of interest to the entire nation and because both programs have been contending at a high level, time immemorial. Texas has moved on and so should A&M!

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While I do think the Pac-16 idea will come up again in the future ... there is a "need" for Texas to play us given their current slate of conference and OOC home games. The fact is the quality of their season ticket packages aren't what they once were without A&M and a lesser extent a Nebraska on the schedule. Oklahoma is their main rival ... but Texas is a school that grew up on multiple rivals.

I went to A&M in the late 80's ... so I think of the Texas fan that was in school at the same time as I was or a bit earlier. Texas back then had three rock solid rivalry games they could look forward to each year ... OU, Arkansas, and A&M. Add to that another OOC matchup or maybe Houston or Baylor or Tech would also be pretty good but regardless ... you had three historical rivalry games. Then Arkansas left .... but hey ... Texas still had OU and A&M. But now we're gone ... so Texas has OU and ... well ... what? And for season tickets that OU game isn't part of the package. Their schedule isn't marquee like it used to be. You can't replace Arkansas and A&M with Oklahoma St and Iowa St.

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You realize where you are posting this?

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A&M was the one to make the break and it's people in Austin that keep bringing this back up. We (well, at least most of us) have this rivalry squarely in the rear view... where it belongs.

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OU is Texas' undisputed, long-time rival, a fact understood by any unbiased fan.

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Whether a bigger rival or not is not the issue. In a sport littered with rivalries, texas should have never let it get down to the point where they have one big rival game a year. A program of that magnitude should have several of those a year. Alabama doesn't just have Tennessee, they also have auburn. It doesn't have to be a&m but it makes more sense for them to schedule a&m because of all the who gives a squirt in conference games.

Outstanding bump. Good times.

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Texas is without a doubt destined for the PAC-whatever it is. They will not play A&M for a long time, obviously, not because of fear but because there is no need for them to play it!

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Your coach seems to think differently. Your schedule, tv ratings, and attendance suggest you need more big games. We aren't interested though.

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OU is Texas' undisputed, long-time rival, a fact understood by any unbiased fan.

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That "fact" doesn't seem so when I look at any of your message boards and see the amount of vitriol directed towards us vs OU. The amount of time your fans spend thinking about us is ridiculously disproportionate to the time they spend thinking about OU, if they're your main rival.

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Huge load of BS. The nation doesn't care about that game. It's cute your fans think it does. The TV ratings that game don't suggest in any way it's a big deal nationally. It's a big deal to the fans involved and the b12, but not nationally . The CBS SEC game every week smokes the RRS ratings.

As par for the course, you're not as big of a deal as you think you are. Not nearly. Our TV ratings have smoked yours the past 2 seasons and will continue to do so.

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Texas has moved on and so should A&M!

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Then why is YOUR coach talking about wanting to play us? No one on our side is expressing any interest.

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Huge load of BS. The nation doesn't care about that game. It's cute your fans think it does. The TV ratings that game don't suggest in any way it's a big deal nationally. It's a big deal to the fans involved and the b12, but not nationally . The CBS SEC game every week smokes the RRS ratings.

As par for the course, you're not as big of a deal as you think you are. Not nearly. Our TV ratings have smoked yours the past 2 seasons and will continue to do so.

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More people watched A&M play Rice at 11:00 AM than watched the RRS.

Excellent bump!

Great bump indeed.
Are there people really saying that the sips don't "need" this game to come back??? They NEED this like a fat kid needs cake at the Golden Corral buffet!!! They are becoming so irrelevant in this state it is laughable.
I still say efff em eff em all and let them sleep in that greedy, dirty little Asian massage parlor bed they made.
Never play them again unless it is a bowl game we are forced to and then destroy them. Leave our starters in (on offense ) and run the score up as high as we can

CLASS of '96
P-2 C.O.
Jarhead
President of the Malaysia Aggie Club

I've got news for the sips....your biggest rival always was A&M. It wasn't always the best game on schedule especially in years where we weren't competitive, but it was the biggest rivalry. Proof exists to this day - go to any sip board and count the threads about good old A&M. Then count the threads about OU. There are none.

Further proof exists in any thread talking about Ou/A&M cotton bowl. 95% of sips rooting for their "Biggest rival"? Total BS! See sips, it's not what you say that counts...it's what you do. You guys had a great rivalry, one of the greatest in the land and used "not our rival" in attempt to belittle. Enjoy your "big" games at DKR in the future, idiots.

DP


But while I'm at it...how many of you sips actually post on any OU board?

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Kill it with dredging up old posts. Old news. Don't care.

Its simple magnum, just don't read it. What the hell else do you want to talk about in March on football board?

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Unfortunately for you many do... And they're entertaining as hell!!

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I went to A&M in the late 80's ... so I think of the Texas fan that was in school at the same time as I was or a bit earlier. Texas back then had three rock solid rivalry games they could look forward to each year ... OU, Arkansas, and A&M. Add to that another OOC matchup or maybe Houston or Baylor or Tech would also be pretty good but regardless ... you had three historical rivalry games. Then Arkansas left .... but hey ... Texas still had OU and A&M. But now we're gone ... so Texas has OU and ... well ... what? And for season tickets that OU game isn't part of the package. Their schedule isn't marquee like it used to be. You can't replace Arkansas and A&M with Oklahoma St and Iowa St.

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The idea that A&M making a move would affect the psyche of the Texas fan base is absurd. The Texas fans want what is best for Texas, and to suggest that they are worried about A&M going to the SEC is just simply not accurate. Texas would still hold the recruiting advantage, because Texas would still be winning.

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