VW (who is the owner the Scout brand) just invested $5B in Rivian so I would expect these to be very similar tech wise.
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Gator Overland's take. This guy is an Ag
I get the concern, but it sounds like they aren't going to be bringing much from VW over to Scout. I had a Rabbit for a while (when they briefly rebranded the Golf in the early/mid-2000s) and my only real complaint was with the air conditioner. Seeing VW on board, especially after they acquired part of Rivian, gives me hope that this venture will actually make it to the street.Dr. Nefario said:
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I think VW is really only bringing its financial and distribution network. The rest is being built from the ground up while collapsing with Rivian on the software delivery capabilities.
The video above does a great job showing the Scout II influence on the traveler. I will say I like the GX550 more but did put a reservation in on the Traveler "Hybrid" model
The video above does a great job showing the Scout II influence on the traveler. I will say I like the GX550 more but did put a reservation in on the Traveler "Hybrid" model
I think you'll see a lot of VW stuff under the skin. Window regulators, wiper motors, wiring harnesses etc. Stuff that's really hard to do from the ground up.
It really looks like a partnership with a lot of potential benefit. You don't want this thing to end up like Fisker and that's very unlikely with VW backing.
It really looks like a partnership with a lot of potential benefit. You don't want this thing to end up like Fisker and that's very unlikely with VW backing.
Ooh, even comes in Conference Wrecker Orange
Always the most goodest
yeah I need them to roll out more stuff to look at. Tired of seeing this color already. But it's a tribute to the last model produced, so I get it.
They've already teased some heritage colors so I think we'll end up with cool choices. Surely there will be white roof options.
They've already teased some heritage colors so I think we'll end up with cool choices. Surely there will be white roof options.
Y'all are wild for putting money down on a vehicle not set for production for 3 years. I have a feeling these might never hit the line at that timeframe.
Howdy Dammit said:
Y'all are wild for putting money down on a vehicle not set for production for 3 years. I have a feeling these might never hit the line at that timeframe.
It's just $100 and refundable. Why not?
No big deal either way. I may get a Bronco or Land Cruiser/GX in the meantime and can trade if the Scout makes it to market and I still like it.
I like to keep my vehicles for 6-7 years, and the timeframe for the Scout is about perfect. If worst comes to worst, I get my deposit back.
Same. I'm only a couple years in so I'd be fine if they were on the long side of that expected delivery range. That said, I put in a reservation to have the option. I don't want to miss having the option of the large federal credit - assuming the production limit is still a thing (I haven't followed the latest on that) or is still around at time of release.BBRex said:
I like to keep my vehicles for 6-7 years, and the timeframe for the Scout is about perfect. If worst comes to worst, I get my deposit back.
I'm hoping the reservation will keep me from buying another vehicle between now and thenBBRex said:
I like to keep my vehicles for 6-7 years, and the timeframe for the Scout is about perfect. If worst comes to worst, I get my deposit back.
Some interesting mechanical pics and info here
https://www.theautopian.com/youre-wrong-if-you-think-the-scout-is-just-like-a-rivian/
https://www.theautopian.com/youre-wrong-if-you-think-the-scout-is-just-like-a-rivian/
Looks nice, but no way would I buy the first year of one of these (or any other new vehicle for that matter).
Love the bench seat so your girl can slide on over...
Love the bench seat so your girl can slide on over...
They look kinda cool, but not as cool as this.
I'm in for a hybrid too. We'll see what happens, but I'm keeping this thread bookmarked anyways.
Howdy Dammit said:
Y'all are wild for putting money down on a vehicle not set for production for 3 years. I have a feeling these might never hit the line at that timeframe.
They have a massive factory already underway near Columbia SC. With the VW backing I would feel pretty good about them hitting the mark.
I think they factory got put on hold.
Broke ground in February. Continued clearing ops were put on hold due to permit/enviro issues, but main buildings are continuing construction. Process is speeding along similar to Tesla plant, just not as much fanfare.
Was in Columbia last week for work and here is the new plant from the air. It is technically in Blythewood, a short drive north of Cola. The picture doesn't do it justice with how massive it will be.AgCPA95 said:Howdy Dammit said:
Y'all are wild for putting money down on a vehicle not set for production for 3 years. I have a feeling these might never hit the line at that timeframe.
They have a massive factory already underway near Columbia SC. With the VW backing I would feel pretty good about them hitting the mark.
Great pic, thanks for sharing!
Looks great. They've already done one thing correctly - the infotainment screen is integrated directly and flush into the console and doesn't jut upwards like someone stuck an iPad on the dash. This latter trend needs to die and is a horrific design.
Wading through multiple Scout forums there's a Scout employee that has confirmed two things of interest to me.
- The bench seat will feature a fold down cupholder setup
- The All-Electric range of the Harvester models will be about 150 miles.
- The bench seat will feature a fold down cupholder setup
- The All-Electric range of the Harvester models will be about 150 miles.
So the gas generator provides roughly 350 miles ?
Guess so.
150 is kind of a disappointment. A lot will depend on what they pick for the range extender
150 is kind of a disappointment. A lot will depend on what they pick for the range extender
'03ag said:
Guess so.
150 is kind of a disappointment. A lot will depend on what they pick for the range extender
For a full hybrid those are great numbers. Most are in the 40-60 range.
You can't really think of it as cumulative, the generator is running all time charging the battery. The electric motors are doing 100% of the propulsion, the gas generator just charges the battery and extends the range.
What I want to know is how many gallons gets you to that 500 #
AgCPA95 said:Howdy Dammit said:
Y'all are wild for putting money down on a vehicle not set for production for 3 years. I have a feeling these might never hit the line at that timeframe.
They have a massive factory already underway near Columbia SC. With the VW backing I would feel pretty good about them hitting the mark.
The state is looking to invest heavily in infrastructure upgrades to improves access to the facility. If they plan on waiting for the new interchange and/or rail road bridge to be completed before shipping these out, then that 3 years seems optimistic.
All-Electric Travelers have 350 mile range. The extender is worth 150 miles to get to 500.'03ag said:
Wading through multiple Scout forums there's a Scout employee that has confirmed two things of interest to me.
- The bench seat will feature a fold down cupholder setup
- The All-Electric range of the Harvester models will be about 150 miles.
Range extended models will not have 350 miles of electric range.
Adding the gas tank necessitates a reduction in battery size and therefore electric range. The question is not if electric range is reduced, but how much.
150 is the range being stated by a Scout employee. We'll see if battery tech or packaging/engine choices alter that between now and production time. But I wouldn't expect a big swing in either direction.
Adding the gas tank necessitates a reduction in battery size and therefore electric range. The question is not if electric range is reduced, but how much.
150 is the range being stated by a Scout employee. We'll see if battery tech or packaging/engine choices alter that between now and production time. But I wouldn't expect a big swing in either direction.
Interesting - 150 miles is probably okay for 95%+ of my useage, but was really hoping for 350 + 150. Wonder how that system will work (do they even know)?
Yep a lot depends on the choice of range extender and how much power it can deliver with little to no charge on the vehicle. Ideally there would be no drop in performance, which is why people were hoping to retain 200-250 miles of all electric range. Given space limitations the fear is the RE will be pretty small and having more battery would give you more buffer.
People have criticized the use of the Pentastar in the Ramcharger but everything is a tradeoff. 130kw generator capacity makes it more likely you can keep going without a dip in performance. In non-towing applications I suspect the Ramcharger could go cross country on no wall charge and not have a performance drop.
We're dropping a video today talking about this issue. Likely with ANY range extended vehicle like this you're going to have to exercise some forethought in how you utilize the ICE. Especially if you're attempting to tow or go out heavily loaded on long trips. Which is FINE but people need to realize that.
People have criticized the use of the Pentastar in the Ramcharger but everything is a tradeoff. 130kw generator capacity makes it more likely you can keep going without a dip in performance. In non-towing applications I suspect the Ramcharger could go cross country on no wall charge and not have a performance drop.
We're dropping a video today talking about this issue. Likely with ANY range extended vehicle like this you're going to have to exercise some forethought in how you utilize the ICE. Especially if you're attempting to tow or go out heavily loaded on long trips. Which is FINE but people need to realize that.
Based on what we've been told on the Ramcharger, it gets about 20mpg when utilizing the ICE. I think the Scout will probably be close to that. So if you're talking 350 miles of range with the ICE at 20mpg, that's a 17.5 gallon tank. I think that'll be pretty close.Chrundle the Great said:'03ag said:
Guess so.
150 is kind of a disappointment. A lot will depend on what they pick for the range extender
For a full hybrid those are great numbers. Most are in the 40-60 range.
You can't really think of it as cumulative, the generator is running all time charging the battery. The electric motors are doing 100% of the propulsion, the gas generator just charges the battery and extends the range.
What I want to know is how many gallons gets you to that 500 #
I'm using the Ramcharger as a basis until we get some more information. I'm assuming ~150 miles of EV-only range on the Harvester models. Road tripping would require some planning, since presumably you would need to stop to recharge and to refuel after 500 miles.
Everyday use case for us, though, fits easily within a 150 mile EV window.
Everyday use case for us, though, fits easily within a 150 mile EV window.
this sounds way more plausible than the EV portion only getting 150 and the gas doing the rest.AggieFrog said:All-Electric Travelers have 350 mile range. The extender is worth 150 miles to get to 500.'03ag said:
Wading through multiple Scout forums there's a Scout employee that has confirmed two things of interest to me.
- The bench seat will feature a fold down cupholder setup
- The All-Electric range of the Harvester models will be about 150 miles.
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