VW (who is the owner the Scout brand) just invested $5B in Rivian so I would expect these to be very similar tech wise.

Gator Overland's take. This guy is an Ag

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I get the concern, but it sounds like they aren't going to be bringing much from VW over to Scout. I had a Rabbit for a while (when they briefly rebranded the Golf in the early/mid-2000s) and my only real complaint was with the air conditioner. Seeing VW on board, especially after they acquired part of Rivian, gives me hope that this venture will actually make it to the street.

I think VW is really only bringing its financial and distribution network. The rest is being built from the ground up while collapsing with Rivian on the software delivery capabilities.

The video above does a great job showing the Scout II influence on the traveler. I will say I like the GX550 more but did put a reservation in on the Traveler "Hybrid" model

Ooh, even comes in Conference Wrecker Orange

yeah I need them to roll out more stuff to look at. Tired of seeing this color already. But it's a tribute to the last model produced, so I get it.

They've already teased some heritage colors so I think we'll end up with cool choices. Surely there will be white roof options.

Y'all are wild for putting money down on a vehicle not set for production for 3 years. I have a feeling these might never hit the line at that timeframe.

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I like to keep my vehicles for 6-7 years, and the timeframe for the Scout is about perfect. If worst comes to worst, I get my deposit back.

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Same. I'm only a couple years in so I'd be fine if they were on the long side of that expected delivery range. That said, I put in a reservation to have the option. I don't want to miss having the option of the large federal credit - assuming the production limit is still a thing (I haven't followed the latest on that) or is still around at time of release.

Some interesting mechanical pics and info here


https://www.theautopian.com/youre-wrong-if-you-think-the-scout-is-just-like-a-rivian/

Looks nice, but no way would I buy the first year of one of these (or any other new vehicle for that matter).

Love the bench seat so your girl can slide on over...

I'm in for a hybrid too. We'll see what happens, but I'm keeping this thread bookmarked anyways.

I think they factory got put on hold.

Broke ground in February. Continued clearing ops were put on hold due to permit/enviro issues, but main buildings are continuing construction. Process is speeding along similar to Tesla plant, just not as much fanfare.

Great pic, thanks for sharing!

Wading through multiple Scout forums there's a Scout employee that has confirmed two things of interest to me.

- The bench seat will feature a fold down cupholder setup
- The All-Electric range of the Harvester models will be about 150 miles.

So the gas generator provides roughly 350 miles ?

Guess so.

150 is kind of a disappointment. A lot will depend on what they pick for the range extender

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Howdy Dammit said:

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Y'all are wild for putting money down on a vehicle not set for production for 3 years. I have a feeling these might never hit the line at that timeframe.

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They have a massive factory already underway near Columbia SC. With the VW backing I would feel pretty good about them hitting the mark.

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The state is looking to invest heavily in infrastructure upgrades to improves access to the facility. If they plan on waiting for the new interchange and/or rail road bridge to be completed before shipping these out, then that 3 years seems optimistic.

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Wading through multiple Scout forums there's a Scout employee that has confirmed two things of interest to me.

- The bench seat will feature a fold down cupholder setup
- The All-Electric range of the Harvester models will be about 150 miles.

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All-Electric Travelers have 350 mile range. The extender is worth 150 miles to get to 500.

Range extended models will not have 350 miles of electric range.

Adding the gas tank necessitates a reduction in battery size and therefore electric range. The question is not if electric range is reduced, but how much.

150 is the range being stated by a Scout employee. We'll see if battery tech or packaging/engine choices alter that between now and production time. But I wouldn't expect a big swing in either direction.

Interesting - 150 miles is probably okay for 95%+ of my useage, but was really hoping for 350 + 150. Wonder how that system will work (do they even know)?

haven't been able to find a ton of specifics, here is a brief description of how its supposed to work (from https://www.motor1.com/news/738662/scout-harvester-range-extender-option/)

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There are all kinds of neat details on Scout Motors' coming Traveler SUV and Terra pickup trucks. Perhaps the most eyebrow-raising is that they don't have to be all-electric. Yes, Scout has done something rare among the legions of EV upstartsit built a hybrid of sorts.

Both Traveler and Terra will have the option of a gas-powered range extender. The system, called Harvester, in a nod to International Harvester that first built the Scout, promises to add 150 miles of range. Scout says the trucks will have "up to" 350 miles of all-electric range, so the range extender will push these trucks past the 500-mile mark. It's an interesting way of addressing concerns over range that many American consumers have with EVs.

The gas engine won't drive the wheels. Instead, it will charge the onboard 800-volt battery. This isn't a new ideathe Chevy Volt introduced the concept of a range-extender hybrid back in 2010, and the BMW i3 had the option of a two-cylinder motorcycle engine that could add a bit of juice to its tiny battery. There's also the coming Ram 1500 Ramcharger, which will use a V-6 to boost range to nearly 700 miles. But no other EV newcomer is doing something like this.

It's a good idea since presumably, the Scout trucks will be heavy, and weight is an enemy of both efficiency and range. There's the weight of the battery pack and the solid rear axle, plus the weight penalty that comes with using traditional body-on-frame construction. Getting 350 miles out of a truck like this would be a featthough perhaps less so when the Terra and Traveler enter production in 2027and pushing range beyond 500 miles will broaden the appeal. Especially for the overlanding/adventure set that Scout wants to appeal to.

Of course, many questions remain. We don't know what engine Scout plans to use, and uh, where it will go. Will the Harvester system take up the front trunk? How much will it weigh? How much does it cost?

Still, it's notable, and it'll be interesting to see if customers embrace it. This could just be the thing that sets them over the edge.

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there are some interesting ideas/theories about how it will work in this thread as well: https://www.scoutevforum.com/forum/threads/range-extender-can-be-turned-off-disabled-via-menu-setting-screen.11020/

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Here is my guess on how the Range Extender (RE) will work:

With RE Off
As long as you stay within the battery's range or have access to charging… it'll function like every other EV. For most days and for most drivers, this is the mode it'll stay in for daily driving. You'll get 3.5 miles avg per 1% battery drop.

With RE On; Battery at 35-100%
The battery will be supplemented by the generator with no output performance drop in the vehicle. The battery will simply be charging while being used… so battery % drops slower than without RE on. If turned on early in trip, you should have no drop in highway speeds for the whole 500 miles. You'll get 5 miles avg for each 1% of battery drop.

With RE On; Battery below 35%
To prevent the battery from getting too low, performance of the vehicle will be throttled slightly to allow gas generator to slow the rate of battery depletion.

With RE On; Battery at 0% (or critically low)
Generator will charge battery at a rate that allows limited performance - approx. 42.9% max performance output. This is not ideal but would allow someone in a bad situation to limp along to find a charge or get home.

It is not my opinion that just by having gasoline you can drive infinitely with this vehicle. The gas has to have time to charge the battery. It is not more efficient than the battery - meaning a moving vehicle will always show battery loss - even with generator running. The vehicle would have to remain off to see battery charge upward.

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all speculation for the time being but makes sense to me.

edited to add one more article about the range extender with pictures from the reveal event: https://www.theautopian.com/i-crawled-underneath-the-new-scout-to-look-at-the-engineering-heres-what-i-found/

Yep a lot depends on the choice of range extender and how much power it can deliver with little to no charge on the vehicle. Ideally there would be no drop in performance, which is why people were hoping to retain 200-250 miles of all electric range. Given space limitations the fear is the RE will be pretty small and having more battery would give you more buffer.

People have criticized the use of the Pentastar in the Ramcharger but everything is a tradeoff. 130kw generator capacity makes it more likely you can keep going without a dip in performance. In non-towing applications I suspect the Ramcharger could go cross country on no wall charge and not have a performance drop.

We're dropping a video today talking about this issue. Likely with ANY range extended vehicle like this you're going to have to exercise some forethought in how you utilize the ICE. Especially if you're attempting to tow or go out heavily loaded on long trips. Which is FINE but people need to realize that.

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'03ag said:

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Guess so.

150 is kind of a disappointment. A lot will depend on what they pick for the range extender

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For a full hybrid those are great numbers. Most are in the 40-60 range.

You can't really think of it as cumulative, the generator is running all time charging the battery. The electric motors are doing 100% of the propulsion, the gas generator just charges the battery and extends the range.

What I want to know is how many gallons gets you to that 500 #

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Based on what we've been told on the Ramcharger, it gets about 20mpg when utilizing the ICE. I think the Scout will probably be close to that. So if you're talking 350 miles of range with the ICE at 20mpg, that's a 17.5 gallon tank. I think that'll be pretty close.

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'03ag said:

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Wading through multiple Scout forums there's a Scout employee that has confirmed two things of interest to me.

- The bench seat will feature a fold down cupholder setup
- The All-Electric range of the Harvester models will be about 150 miles.

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All-Electric Travelers have 350 mile range. The extender is worth 150 miles to get to 500.

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this sounds way more plausible than the EV portion only getting 150 and the gas doing the rest.