Videos are now coming out of HPD filming the crowd and the performers with their cell phones from the side of the stage during some of the worst of the crush, showing that even they were unaware of what was going on
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I'm a complete outsider, an old who'd never heard of Travis Scott before this incident. My kids are college age and know of him but aren't fans.
Based on what I've seen in this thread It does disturb me that he markets himself to children. Choosing "luciferian themes'... Whatever... That's been a staple of rock bands for a long time. But combine that with all the f-bombs and sexual themes as well? McDonald's chooses to cross market and endorse this stuff, on happy meals no less? That's screwed up, man. Being "family friendly" needs to mean something. If nothing else, it means there is a realm of content and behavior suitable for adults, and a realm suitable for children. Yes, that line does move some over time but if Travis Scott is now in the realm of "suitable for kids" then that line has lurched too far, too fast.
Based on what I've seen in this thread It does disturb me that he markets himself to children. Choosing "luciferian themes'... Whatever... That's been a staple of rock bands for a long time. But combine that with all the f-bombs and sexual themes as well? McDonald's chooses to cross market and endorse this stuff, on happy meals no less? That's screwed up, man. Being "family friendly" needs to mean something. If nothing else, it means there is a realm of content and behavior suitable for adults, and a realm suitable for children. Yes, that line does move some over time but if Travis Scott is now in the realm of "suitable for kids" then that line has lurched too far, too fast.
It took you three edits to white-knight/virtue signal all of that? Do you feel better?Keeper of The Spirits said:
I don't get this beef you have with the dad, this guy made a a decision that will haunt the guy for the rest of his life and you want to pile on, on an Internet forum.
You know exactly three 3 things about this dad 1. He took his kid to a concert you don't approve of for children (an artist who markets to kids) 2. He hired an attorney who is prominent in his community 3. What he looks like (I am sure that has nothing to do with your analysis though)
I pray you never make a mistake as a parent. I pray none of us ever make a mistake that costs any of our children their lives.
Want to get to know this dad a little more check out his Instagram, you won't agree with everything on it but it clearly shows an active single dad
https://instagram.com/tshocking?utm_medium=copy_link
What you will see is he likes to go out, several videos of him and his son dancing to Travis Scott, appears to be a Christian, likes Candace Owens (I imagine you have that in common), likes shoes, loves his kids, also like monster trucks in addition to Travis Scott, was trying to better himself during Covid and expressed the opinion that it was time to open the economy back up post Covid.
Oh snap! Three edits!
Dude just STFU
I learned through this thread that TS was actively marketing to kids and I think that is pretty terrible. I used to hate my parents for trying to control every aspect of what I was allowed to listen to and watch (although I rebelled about as hard as one could) and now I fully get it. No way I would want my children exposed to his music and lifestyle, or really most pop culture trends.
The dramatic decline in the real Astroworld was a foreshadowing of the decline in society in general.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Got 4-million people in the houston area now. Can you imagine what Astroworld would be like today?
As ownership changed and the culture around it changed, the park rapidly went from a well-run venue where parents felt comfortable dropping their kids off for the day to a dirty, run-down, poorly managed hoodlum hangout.
Unless you have the ability to keep prices sky high and avoid gimmicks like cheap season passes, those types of entertainment venues just can't survive the masses.
People complained to high heaven when Landry's set prices for the Galveston Pleasure Pier so high. Of course the prices were set high ... it was the only way to prevent it from becoming another Astroworld.
I am in the subset of the population that wants nothing to do with "that crowd" of theme park punks nor the pleasure pier.
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Just to be clear, 3 edits before your post I didn't change anything after other posts were made
My post is simply to understand the reasoning behind your axe to grind with this guy. It sounds like you have your reasons and that's fine. I appreciate we are different and you have the right to your opinion
My family lost a child to tragic circumstances so I understand the hard road this man has ahead of him without nameless faceless people questioning him behind a keyboard.
He will undoubtedly relive this regularly throughout his life. Over the rest of his life, he will likely from time to time punch his kids name or the incident into Google and mostly he will find tributes to his kid. Then one day he may stumble across this thread and I am sure he will appreciate your words and wise parenting advice. It will bring all the pain and guilt right back, whether he deserves to bear that guilt and pain or not.
I don't need to defend the guy anymore, I said my piece and am comfortable with my position.
My post is simply to understand the reasoning behind your axe to grind with this guy. It sounds like you have your reasons and that's fine. I appreciate we are different and you have the right to your opinion
My family lost a child to tragic circumstances so I understand the hard road this man has ahead of him without nameless faceless people questioning him behind a keyboard.
He will undoubtedly relive this regularly throughout his life. Over the rest of his life, he will likely from time to time punch his kids name or the incident into Google and mostly he will find tributes to his kid. Then one day he may stumble across this thread and I am sure he will appreciate your words and wise parenting advice. It will bring all the pain and guilt right back, whether he deserves to bear that guilt and pain or not.
I don't need to defend the guy anymore, I said my piece and am comfortable with my position.
Marvin_Zindler said:It took you three edits to white-knight/virtue signal all of that? Do you feel better?Keeper of The Spirits said:
I don't get this beef you have with the dad, this guy made a a decision that will haunt the guy for the rest of his life and you want to pile on, on an Internet forum.
You know exactly three 3 things about this dad 1. He took his kid to a concert you don't approve of for children (an artist who markets to kids) 2. He hired an attorney who is prominent in his community 3. What he looks like (I am sure that has nothing to do with your analysis though)
I pray you never make a mistake as a parent. I pray none of us ever make a mistake that costs any of our children their lives.
Want to get to know this dad a little more check out his Instagram, you won't agree with everything on it but it clearly shows an active single dad
https://instagram.com/tshocking?utm_medium=copy_link
What you will see is he likes to go out, several videos of him and his son dancing to Travis Scott, appears to be a Christian, likes Candace Owens (I imagine you have that in common), likes shoes, loves his kids, also like monster trucks in addition to Travis Scott, was trying to better himself during Covid and expressed the opinion that it was time to open the economy back up post Covid.
Lol, you get put in your place and you look for grammatical errors... classic move
In the summer of '91 I'd just turned 13 and had an Astroworld season pass. Would go at least once a week and had a blast.
In the summer of '98 I went with some friends from A&M and remember being shocked at the decline. That was my last visit. No desire for any more Texas Cyclone after that.
It closed in... what... 2005?
In the summer of '98 I went with some friends from A&M and remember being shocked at the decline. That was my last visit. No desire for any more Texas Cyclone after that.
It closed in... what... 2005?
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We had season passes in 94/95, loved packing the cooler full of sandwiches with my brothers and mom, we got to buy one snack everytime we went. The ultra twister was my jam
I think for some folks (myself included), it's just difficult to understand the thinking behind that decision. It just seems the antithesis of what a parent should do.Keeper of The Spirits said:
I don't get this beef you have with the dad, this guy made a a decision that will haunt the guy for the rest of his life
I hear "massive music festival at NRG featuring rapper/auto-tune guy known for encouraging rage at his shows" and I think "I'm not getting anywhere close to that." He hears it and says "lemme take my 9-year-old."
That's just tough to square if you aren't in that culture/mindset.
Yep.Keegan99 said:
In the summer if '98 I went with some friends from A&M and remember being shocked at the decline. That was my last visit. No desire for any more Texas Cyclone after that.
I took my kids and nephew sometime in the late '90s. Can't remember the year. Might have even been 1998. Trash everywhere. Everything needed a coat of paint. Half the attractions were shut down. Big groups of teens running wild, cutting in lines, etc.
And the folks working the rides weren't even doing safety checks. They'd pull on one or two safety bars of the first few cars, just going through the motions, and then send the rides on.
Didn't mean to highjack the thread but there are sad parallels between Astroworld the park and Astroworld the festival.
Dan Snyder (yes, that Dan Snyder) was a major shareholder of Six Flags Corporation and then chairman of the board from 2005 to 2010. It was a disaster.
Again the DAD went there for himself yeah like some 9 year old is begging to see Travis Scott what an odd defense.Keeper of The Spirits said:
Just to be clear, 3 edits before your post I didn't change anything after other posts were made
My post is simply to understand the reasoning behind your axe to grind with this guy. It sounds like you have your reasons and that's fine. I appreciate we are different and you have the right to your opinion
My family lost a child to tragic circumstances so I understand the hard road this man has ahead of him without nameless faceless people questioning him behind a keyboard.
He will undoubtedly relive this regularly throughout his life. Over the rest of his life, he will likely from time to time punch his kids name or the incident into Google and mostly he will find tributes to his kid. Then one day he may stumble across this thread and I am sure he will appreciate your words and wise parenting advice. It will bring all the pain and guilt right back, whether he deserves to bear that guilt and pain or not.
I don't need to defend the guy anymore, I said my piece and am comfortable with my position.
I see Ben Crump has entered the fray.
The Hammer is conspicuously absent to this point. Figured this would be easy pickings for him.
The Hammer is conspicuously absent to this point. Figured this would be easy pickings for him.
Saw a Buzbee ad on Instagram asking people to contact his office with information so they can piece together a timeline of what happened.
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The major themes in a lot of his music are hard drug use. McDonalds promoting a guy who pushes sex and drugs and deviancy to children and young teenagers. Our society is kind of f'd up TBH.Jack Cheese said:
I'm a complete outsider, an old who'd never heard of Travis Scott before this incident. My kids are college age and know of him but aren't fans.
Based on what I've seen in this thread It does disturb me that he markets himself to children. Choosing "luciferian themes'... Whatever... That's been a staple of rock bands for a long time. But combine that with all the f-bombs and sexual themes as well? McDonald's chooses to cross market and endorse this stuff, on happy meals no less? That's screwed up, man. Being "family friendly" needs to mean something. If nothing else, it means there is a realm of content and behavior suitable for adults, and a realm suitable for children. Yes, that line does move some over time but if Travis Scott is now in the realm of "suitable for kids" then that line has lurched too far, too fast.
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We had season passes in the early to mid 90's. It used to be awesome to be dropped off with your siblings/friends and be able to spend the entire day between Waterworld and Astroworld. But it declined rapidly. It became the world's cheapest daycare and in my last few visits to Astroworld, I had one incident where me and my cousin were almost jumped by mexican gang bangers, and then I seriously had a 12-13 year old kid try to sell me "sherm" in the line to Texas Cyclone (I believe that was during Fright Night). Had no clue what "sherm" was until an older friend explained it to me later.EclipseAg said:The dramatic decline in the real Astroworld was a foreshadowing of the decline in society in general.Stat Monitor Repairman said:
Got 4-million people in the houston area now. Can you imagine what Astroworld would be like today?
As ownership changed and the culture around it changed, the park rapidly went from a well-run venue where parents felt comfortable dropping their kids off for the day to a dirty, run-down, poorly managed hoodlum hangout.
Unless you have the ability to keep prices sky high and avoid gimmicks like cheap season passes, those types of entertainment venues just can't survive the masses.
People complained to high heaven when Landry's set prices for the Galveston Pleasure Pier so high. Of course the prices were set high ... it was the only way to prevent it from becoming another Astroworld.
So much childhood nostalgia though. Just parking in front of the Astrodome and making that hike or trolley ride to the entrance gives me the warm fuzzies.
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I think you might have missed some posts where it was pointed out that:
1. Travis Scott is marketed through Fortnite and McDonalds, which are primary vectors for marketing to 9 year olds
2. The dad and kid were both fans of Travis Scott and have several dance videos of themselves on Instagram to Travis Scott's songs
3. The tickets were $350, a baby sitter would have been cheaper and the dad would probably have had a better time
1. Travis Scott is marketed through Fortnite and McDonalds, which are primary vectors for marketing to 9 year olds
2. The dad and kid were both fans of Travis Scott and have several dance videos of themselves on Instagram to Travis Scott's songs
3. The tickets were $350, a baby sitter would have been cheaper and the dad would probably have had a better time
I must have had season passes right before it got bad. Those were some fun days. Especially being at Astroworld during the day and walking over to the Dome for an Astros game at night.
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I'm definitely going as that guy for Halloween. Thats exactly how I feel these days.
I came to that realization about 5-6 years ago as some friends and I were in the mosh pit at a Dropkick Murphys show. I was like 38-39 at the time and my friends were like 42-43.
drumboy said:
TIL Travis Scott's real name is Jacques Bermon Webster II.
ZFG if he's from the streets, Beastie Boys were rich kids or Parker McCollum is all hat no cattle. All have good music.
I'm gonna have to object on 2 of those 3 making "good music."
damn. that's about 20 years after i came to that realization.
I remember my last time there, was probably 97 or 98 - took a girl and her little brother. Our families had known each other for a long time, but still a little shocked her parents let me do that at 16/17.
Those were the good ol'e days
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damn. that's about 20 years after i came to that realization.
What can I say, I'm 44, have the knees of an 80-year old, and the maturity of a 13-year old.
But, while I'd heard the name Travis Scott, I couldn't have told you anything he did until one of the kid's on my oldest son's baseball team wanted "Sicko Mode" for his walk-up music.
This is pretty common with people in the back of a crowd crush. People are just normally close together, nothings crazy, nothing seems wrong. Its not until you're up at the front do you feel the squeeze and flow of people.Texaggie7nine said:Was in uber to concert on Tuesday talking about the Astroworld deaths and the driver said he was there and where he was at he never saw any of the people in distress. Said he has a 10 year old son that is a huge Travis Scott fan and cried that he couldn't go but the driver said he didn't feel like he would enjoy the concert having to always worry about his son being ok.Ag_07 said:
I would probably put money on the dad wanting to go and decided to take his 9 yo along with him.
I can't imagine a 9 yo would want and ask to go to a concert. Not typically something a 9 yo wants to do on his own.
Incredibly sad either way
Also at the Chvrches concert we were at, a couple in front of us had their 2 daughters, around 4 and 6 who were saying it was their favorite band and they sung along and danced to every song.
This is a bad look. Not surprising...but a bad look.
https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4050746/drake-went-to-a-strip-club-day-after-deadly-astroworld/
https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4050746/drake-went-to-a-strip-club-day-after-deadly-astroworld/
There was no crowd surge at either the New Order or Erasure shows I saw at Southern Star back in the day.
There was, however, an offer to trade the 7-foot Gumby I won for X. I declined and 7 foot Gumby rode sticking out of the sun roof of the 82 Maxima all the way back to College Station.
There was a near riot at the Hooters / Bangles concert, but that was at Six Flags.
There was, however, an offer to trade the 7-foot Gumby I won for X. I declined and 7 foot Gumby rode sticking out of the sun roof of the 82 Maxima all the way back to College Station.
There was a near riot at the Hooters / Bangles concert, but that was at Six Flags.
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There was a near riot at this little warehouse in ghetto Bryan back around 99-00 when SPM and Yungstar never came out to perform. It was blamed on fire marshall and people started throwing beer bottles and raging. We got our white asses the F out of there.HtownAg92 said:
There was no crowd surge at either the New Order or Erasure shows I saw at Southern Star back in the day.
There was, however, an offer to trade the 7-foot Gumby I won for X. I declined and 7 foot Gumby rode sticking out of the sun roof of the 82 Maxima all the way back to College Station.
There was a near riot at the Hooters / Bangles concert, but that was at Six Flags.
Everyone got off the merry go round and started knocking pictures off the wall.
Anybody else remember a near-riot at Shadow Canyon in the late-90's during a Pushmonkey show?
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