I'm not certain those guys have the best interest of anyone going on.AgLiving06 said:
I know you'll be shocked to find out that the "covidactnow.org" website wasn't updated as it was supposed to be.
Can't believe people are making decisions based on the crap they put out.
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Hospital CEOs are driving the bus?dragmagpuff said:
Her basic justification is that the hospital CEOs at the med center told the county that they are heading for New York/Italy outcomes if we don't take stricter measures now due to ICU limitations. The number of patients requiring ICU care with COVID symptoms are increasing rapidly, even if the testing hasn't reflected that.
Well ... thats comforting.
I mean... if what they say is true.. should she just ignore them?
I feel bad for her. literally a no win situation.
I feel bad for her. literally a no win situation.
I think a lot more people have had and/or have the virus than we think but have been virtually unaffected by it.
The point is ... if you go to a podiatrist, he'll find something wrong with your foot.swimmerbabe11 said:
I mean... if what they say is true.. should she just ignore them?
I feel bad for her. literally a no win situation.
Thats been the issue from the get-go in my mind. We got a bunch of medical folks and mathematicians trying to drive the ship.
They should make recommendations to be considered along with all other factors, but we shouldn't snap to react to everything these people say. They are looking at the problem through a soda straw.
I've said it before, economic destruction will kill 10x more people than the coronavirus.
Okay, so you are now Lina Hidalgo...
who are the 5 people you bring into the room for advice on how to handle this? Do any of them get priority over the others?
also, you only go to the podiatrist when something is already wrong with your foot. sounds like the Hospital CEO's are letting us know that our feet are already in need of some serious orthorics.
who are the 5 people you bring into the room for advice on how to handle this? Do any of them get priority over the others?
also, you only go to the podiatrist when something is already wrong with your foot. sounds like the Hospital CEO's are letting us know that our feet are already in need of some serious orthorics.
I think that's absolutely correct. The more interesting thing to me is why the hotspots are what they have been so far...Italy, Spain, and now maybe New York?MOCO9 said:
I think a lot more people have had and/or have the virus than we think but have been virtually unaffected by it.
I'd bring in the following:
Medical folks (2)
Economists (2)
And Matthew David McConaughey (as a spiritual advisor)
Medical folks (2)
Economists (2)
And Matthew David McConaughey (as a spiritual advisor)
swimmerbabe11 said:
Okay, so you are now Lina Hidalgo...
who are the 5 people you bring into the room for advice on how to handle this? Do any of them get priority over the others?
also, you only go to the podiatrist when something is already wrong with your foot. sounds like the Hospital CEO's are letting us know that our feet are already in need of some serious orthorics.
How many does TexAgs count as?
Direct flights to China and public transportation.BohunkAg said:I think that's absolutely correct. The more interesting thing to me is why the hotspots are what they have been so far...Italy, Spain, and now maybe New York?MOCO9 said:
I think a lot more people have had and/or have the virus than we think but have been virtually unaffected by it.
There are hundreds of thousands of Chinese that work in quarries in Italy.
Ok, my 5 would be the county sheriff, 1 head of an ER, 1 infectious disease specialist, a CEO of a Houston based energy company, and 1 leader from the local food and/or grocery industry. Get a balance between medical needs, law enforcement input, and economic impacts.swimmerbabe11 said:
Okay, so you are now Lina Hidalgo...
who are the 5 people you bring into the room for advice on how to handle this? Do any of them get priority over the others?
also, you only go to the podiatrist when something is already wrong with your foot. sounds like the Hospital CEO's are letting us know that our feet are already in need of some serious orthorics.
1) hospital CEO
2) 1 epidemiologist (or can I resurrect Red Duke?)
3) Mattress Mack
4) Bun B
5) City Planner type (for infrastructure-y/essential business type questions)
2) 1 epidemiologist (or can I resurrect Red Duke?)
3) Mattress Mack
4) Bun B
5) City Planner type (for infrastructure-y/essential business type questions)
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I thought about Slim, but Bun B is a professor. sooo I've got culture and academia covered in one pick.
Over 310K Chinese live in Italy. The two largest concentrations are in Lombardy and Tuscany.Bondag said:Direct flights to China and public transportation.BohunkAg said:I think that's absolutely correct. The more interesting thing to me is why the hotspots are what they have been so far...Italy, Spain, and now maybe New York?MOCO9 said:
I think a lot more people have had and/or have the virus than we think but have been virtually unaffected by it.
There are hundreds of thousands of Chinese that work in quarries in Italy.
No Buzbee?swimmerbabe11 said:
1) hospital CEO
2) 1 epidemiologist (or can I resurrect Red Duke?)
3) Mattress Mack
4) Bun B
5) City Planner type (for infrastructure-y/essential business type questions)
Hospital CEO is probably a bean counter, not a doctor. Bun B has no business on that list. You would be far better off with a city manager or head of public works than a city planner type.swimmerbabe11 said:
1) hospital CEO
2) 1 epidemiologist (or can I resurrect Red Duke?)
3) Mattress Mack
4) Bun B
5) City Planner type (for infrastructure-y/essential business type questions)
You know I was talking with my BIL the other day and told him that this may be the one time that Houston's utter lack of public transportation saves their ass.Bondag said:Direct flights to China and public transportation.BohunkAg said:I think that's absolutely correct. The more interesting thing to me is why the hotspots are what they have been so far...Italy, Spain, and now maybe New York?MOCO9 said:
I think a lot more people have had and/or have the virus than we think but have been virtually unaffected by it.
There are hundreds of thousands of Chinese that work in quarries in Italy.
And if you have a hammer, every problem is a nail.swimmerbabe11 said:
Okay, so you are now Lina Hidalgo...
who are the 5 people you bring into the room for advice on how to handle this? Do any of them get priority over the others?
also, you only go to the podiatrist when something is already wrong with your foot. sounds like the Hospital CEO's are letting us know that our feet are already in need of some serious orthorics.
The CEOs are afraid that their hospitals will be overrun with patients and they will not be able to treat them. They don't want those statistics on their hospitals.
Instead of shutting down the economy, build the worlds biggest ICU. Bring in the national guard and ACOE and give them what they need to make it happen. NRG is empty now. Rodeo volunteers need something to do. Let them be innovative.
Take the box of supplies we have available like Apollo 13 and let NASA or SpaceX tell us how we can build a ventilator with household parts.
Best case we have a giant hospital we never use, but were able to keep people working and the economy going.
2 medicos (practicing docs, not administrators)swimmerbabe11 said:
Okay, so you are now Lina Hidalgo...
who are the 5 people you bring into the room for advice on how to handle this? Do any of them get priority over the others?
also, you only go to the podiatrist when something is already wrong with your foot. sounds like the Hospital CEO's are letting us know that our feet are already in need of some serious orthorics.
1 business leader
1 economist
1 govt sector person (preferably retired)
txags92 said:Hospital CEO is probably a bean counter, not a doctor. Bun B has no business on that list. You would be far better off with a city manager or head of public works than a city planner type.swimmerbabe11 said:
1) hospital CEO
2) 1 epidemiologist (or can I resurrect Red Duke?)
3) Mattress Mack
4) Bun B
5) City Planner type (for infrastructure-y/essential business type questions)
I feel like you are taking my list more seriously than I did.
I would love for a local politician to tout thisQuote:
You know I was talking with my BIL the other day and told him that this may be the one time that Houston's utter lack of public transportation saves their ass.
So that's a 'NO' on the METRO finally running to the airports...CFTXAG10 said:I would love for a local politician to tout thisQuote:
You know I was talking with my BIL the other day and told him that this may be the one time that Houston's utter lack of public transportation saves their ass.
The math just doesn't make sense. There are around 200 positive cases in the Houston area. General rule of thumb is 20% of positive cases require hospitalization therefore we should expect 40 to be in hospital.swimmerbabe11 said:
I mean... if what they say is true.. should she just ignore them?
I feel bad for her. literally a no win situation.
40-50 extra patients in Houston where there are a ton of hospitals doesn't seem like it would come close to overloading hospitals. Especially when most, if not all, hospitals are half empty due to elective procedures being postponed.
Perhaps someone has a better explanation.
Mikeyshooter said:The math just doesn't make sense. There are around 200 positive cases in the Houston area. General rule of thumb is 20% of positive cases require hospitalization therefore we should expect 40 to be in hospital.swimmerbabe11 said:
I mean... if what they say is true.. should she just ignore them?
I feel bad for her. literally a no win situation.
40-50 extra patients in Houston where there are a ton of hospitals doesn't seem like it would come close to overloading hospitals. Especially when most, if not all, hospitals are half empty due to elective procedures being postponed.
Perhaps someone has a better explanation.
I'm guessing expected exponential growth.
the whole purpose of flattening the curve is to keep hospitals from getting overrun.
so a hospital ceo/bean counter is definitely useful. also, if doing their job correctly, has listened to docs on staff.
City of Houston isnt trying to research a cure, they are trying to handle resources and run the city.. so I'm not sure why you'd overload the dream team with doctors.
so a hospital ceo/bean counter is definitely useful. also, if doing their job correctly, has listened to docs on staff.
City of Houston isnt trying to research a cure, they are trying to handle resources and run the city.. so I'm not sure why you'd overload the dream team with doctors.
Come on, 200 confirmed cases. Likely to be a **** ton more that don't qualify for testing
Exactly, it doesn't matter if it's 100 infected with a 100% hospitalization rate or 100,000 with a 1% infection rate if you only have 20 beds in your hospital
This is how I imagine her at the meetings.Mikeyshooter said:The math just doesn't make sense. There are around 200 positive cases in the Houston area. General rule of thumb is 20% of positive cases require hospitalization therefore we should expect 40 to be in hospital.swimmerbabe11 said:
I mean... if what they say is true.. should she just ignore them?
I feel bad for her. literally a no win situation.
40-50 extra patients in Houston where there are a ton of hospitals doesn't seem like it would come close to overloading hospitals. Especially when most, if not all, hospitals are half empty due to elective procedures being postponed.
Perhaps someone has a better explanation.
whatever, that would be most of us at these meetings too. Honestly, us Monday morning quarterbacking all of this is just a replacement for the sports we can't watch...and we are probably just similar in skillset (handling a pandemic vs coaching professional basketball)
all jokes aside, my goal would be to get the smartest and most relevant people in the room, then shut up until it started seeming clear.
Generally, that's why good leaders are good leaders. they know how to exercise people's expertise.
all jokes aside, my goal would be to get the smartest and most relevant people in the room, then shut up until it started seeming clear.
Generally, that's why good leaders are good leaders. they know how to exercise people's expertise.
Slim can't be in the 5... he got a cawff
She should bring Emmett in as a consultant on the matter.
And whoever this is.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/High-hospitalization-rate-among-Houston-area-15151635.phpMikeyshooter said:The math just doesn't make sense. There are around 200 positive cases in the Houston area. General rule of thumb is 20% of positive cases require hospitalization therefore we should expect 40 to be in hospital.swimmerbabe11 said:
I mean... if what they say is true.. should she just ignore them?
I feel bad for her. literally a no win situation.
40-50 extra patients in Houston where there are a ton of hospitals doesn't seem like it would come close to overloading hospitals. Especially when most, if not all, hospitals are half empty due to elective procedures being postponed.
Perhaps someone has a better explanation.
https://abc13.com/5999764/
I found an article stating that we have a higher hospitalization rate than NYC at 26%, but without knowing how many people actually have the virus that information is useless. If we are a week behind NYC maybe they expect it to ramp up, but there are a number of differences like population density, public transportation, weather, and travel that lead me to believe we will not ramp to that degree.
So if 200 people in the Houston area have the virus that means we have 52 hospitalized (assuming none have been discharged)? If that is the case we literally have an entire hospital for every patient we have today.
It could also mean some borderline cases were hospitalized because there are beds to do it now.
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