I would imagine it was over concerns of uncombusted VOC's vaporizing directly into the atmosphere.
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Yea, and I am not an expert nor claim to be but they might have upped their "offensive" strategy once they knew the weather change was coming
My guess is they were playing defense and containing it, then when one or two burned out those freed up resources were able to be leveraged for an offensive approach.
Pretty simple logic really
Pretty simple logic really
They kicked out Slocum and brought in Sumlin
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This makes sense and now I remember them alluding to such in a statement yesterday. Smart move bringing in the extra crews.
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They kicked out Slocum and brought in Sumlin
The fire is going to transfer across the street???
I thought I read that a special firefighting team from LA was brought in and the fire was put out shortly thereafter?
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I thought I read that a special firefighting team from LA was brought in and the fire was put out shortly thereafter?
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Non-compliance with the clean water act 9 of the last 12 quarters seems pretty bad
Texas Tribune is a Austin liberal propaganda rag.
You can make the same statement about any company that's been in business longer than a minute.
Find me a large company without fines or violations of some sort. Good luck.
This isn't to say they shouldn't have to pay for their mistakes, but just keep in mind the bias this source has.
You can make the same statement about any company that's been in business longer than a minute.
Find me a large company without fines or violations of some sort. Good luck.
This isn't to say they shouldn't have to pay for their mistakes, but just keep in mind the bias this source has.
God forbid we set up rules to keep the air breathable and precautions that might prevent huge tanks of chemicals from catching on fire. I am not sure the message from this event is we need less regulations.
Ferris Wheel Allstar said:I am curious to how many plants have environmental issues given how far reaching our government has gotten.Koldus131 said:
It's extremely easy to have a violation when the requirements set require nearly impossible operation capabilities.
That's not say that these folks have issues that could have easily been prevented; more saying to take "Environmental Excursions" with a grain of salt.
I've seen it happen. Minor process fluctuation released 0.0001% or PPM of a material, and BOOM, you have an environmental excursion. Pretty much impossible to keep from happening in their particular process. But thank God, that paperwork kept us all safe from the next one.
Ferris Wheel Allstar said:I am curious to how many plants have environmental issues given how far reaching our government has gotten.Koldus131 said:
They all do. It really is a cost of doing business (safety issues aren't but environmental issues are). It all needs to be looked at in relative terms.
Yeah if you say this facility has a long history of environmental issues that's probably true, but it may not be as egregious as it sounds.
The most complaint facilities have a long list of environmental issues.
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God forbid we set up rules to keep the air breathable and precautions that might prevent huge tanks of chemicals from catching on fire. I am not sure the message from this event is we need less regulations.
No, we need reasonable and achievable regulations.
Not ones that are so impossible to meet it merely becomes an annual tax on businesses that gov't wants.
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EPA: No hazardous levels in air, water samples | ITS Deer Park Fire is out
hmm, seems like the regulations were followed and this was just an unfortunate accident that we can learn from./
hmm, seems like the regulations were followed and this was just an unfortunate accident that we can learn from./
Alot of the Regs are not "Doing 200 mph in a 35 zone" but "Doing 35.25 mph in a 35 zone AND you self reported."
Oh for fks sake I asked a simple question. If I knew the answer I wouldn't have asked. Thank you to the poster who did respond with a non-smart ass response.FarmerJohn said:Are you in management or a C-suite? This sounds like the standard executive response of proclaiming that the last thing done to solve a crisis is in fact the first thing we should have done.Quote:
Why did they not do this sooner?
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Whatever. The EPA has long just been a hard core right-wing shill agency to cover for the sins of the oil and chemical industry.Ferris Wheel Allstar said:
EPA: No hazardous levels in air, water samples | ITS Deer Park Fire is out
hmm, seems like the regulations were followed and this was just an unfortunate accident that we can learn from./
(1) What was the cause of LOC that led to fire? Then was the LOC preventable by proper MIP etc.
(2) Why did the fire get away from them after initiation? Were they able to reach and operate any isolation valves etc.
The investigation into proximate and root causes is already underway I am sure.
(2) Why did the fire get away from them after initiation? Were they able to reach and operate any isolation valves etc.
The investigation into proximate and root causes is already underway I am sure.
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uh oh, better warn the snowflakes
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Shelter-in-place issued for certain portions of Shell Deer Park after low levels of benzene detected
Officials said the chemical readings are at or below OSHA permissible exposure limits but above Shell's standards, requiring the shelter in place.
That's another thing to keep in mind.
When they say not hazardous that doesn't mean clean and/or not contaminated.
When they say not hazardous that doesn't mean clean and/or not contaminated.
Tons of factors come into play. Yes, they may have had contingency plans in place, but to implement that blindly with so many different viarables is a risky gamble.
I'd rather the stuff burn down than to risk human life. And if I'm in that situation, I'm not letting my crew rush in without a clear plan of attack.
I'd rather the stuff burn down than to risk human life. And if I'm in that situation, I'm not letting my crew rush in without a clear plan of attack.
From the aftermath pictures I've seen it looks like at least one tank has exposed product remaining in the tank. It seems like the air quality issues from that product's evaporation could pose another huge issue going forward. There's some good information in the megathread in r/houston about it.
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I'd rather the stuff burn down than to risk human life. And if I'm in that situation, I'm not letting my crew rush in without a clear plan of attack.
We already have that in spades......WES2006AG said:
God forbid we set up rules to keep the air breathable and precautions that might prevent huge tanks of chemicals from catching on fire. I am not sure the message from this event is we need less regulations.
Sounds like you voted for this moron:
IF you want to see what truly working in a refinery is like watch these videos.
I swear that I've seen or heard 95% of this sh*t.
I swear that I've seen or heard 95% of this sh*t.
why do I all of sudden see smoke coming from the East again?
Just noticed as well from clear lake. News says reignited.
And back out.
same here
The sequel is never as good.
Two things:
1) Industry is the most progressive it has ever been when it comes to self-reporting. There is almost no such thing as sweeping major EHS issues under the rug. That's a good thing, obviously.
2) I was told a first hand story about the contract fire SME from Lousiana that ITC hired. They gave him $1MM upfront to get him here, he shows up in the boardroom full of ITC Senior Management with a giant dip in. He then spits in his cup and says something along the lines of, "I know what kind of monster we're up against, and I'm here to put this MF out." Then proceeded to walk out the room to get to work.
1) Industry is the most progressive it has ever been when it comes to self-reporting. There is almost no such thing as sweeping major EHS issues under the rug. That's a good thing, obviously.
2) I was told a first hand story about the contract fire SME from Lousiana that ITC hired. They gave him $1MM upfront to get him here, he shows up in the boardroom full of ITC Senior Management with a giant dip in. He then spits in his cup and says something along the lines of, "I know what kind of monster we're up against, and I'm here to put this MF out." Then proceeded to walk out the room to get to work.
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Hell yeah, Birdseed. Teeeeeeeeeeen four!6.5 Swede said:
IF you want to see what truly working in a refinery is like watch these videos.
I swear that I've seen or heard 95% of this sh*t.
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