riverrataggie said:

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Is that a sun on Tuesday?

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agcrock2005 said:

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Sad. There's no way that car that got nailed from behind by the 18-wheeler had any survivors. T&P

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AG 2000' said:

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Premium said:

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Any thoughts on driving from Houston to Plano tomorrow and coming back Sunday morning or early afternoon?

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Don't.

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AggieFrog said:

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I'm not sure I believe this forecast for Fort Worth on Monday, but wow if true.

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zwhag2010 said:

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AggieFrog said:

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I'm not sure I believe this forecast for Fort Worth on Monday, but wow if true.

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Chance of snow 12%? Yet precipitation of 9 inches? So one tiny spot is getting 9 inches and the rest of dfw is squat? I admit I'm not weather expert but that doesn't make sense

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Absolute said:

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UTExan said:

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Absolute said:

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UTExan said:

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As a retired LEO who has worked a lot of cold weather accidents on Utah freeways and roads, one thing never ceases to amaze me: TxDOT knew bad driving conditions were coming, but they never seem to put down road salt ahead of the storms. That's how you mitigate this kind of disaster. Granted you may only need salt once or twice a year, but it saves this kind of carnage that is inevitable with the freeway speeds that people drive.

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Does the brine stuff not really work? Also figure, just like our houses, our roads and highways are not designed with this in mind. So many elevated highways.

I heard the news last night calling for .10 to .25 inches of ice. Was interesting that they did not really stress that that amount is MORE than enough to completely mess up the roads. Even if they had stressed it, people would still go out. Heard an Arlington cop interviewed say that most of the people he had helped this morning weren't even out going to a critical job, "they were out checking out the conditions."

So to take it back to weather, will the roads clear at all by tomorrow before the next round Sunday?

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Elevated roadways and freeway mixmasters are the reason you prep the roads with salt before the sleet and freezing rain arrive. We are expecting 5 days of rain/snow starting tonight with a lot of snow piling up in the back country (40-60" of new snow with water equivalent of 1" inch water per 10" snow). But our local state/local highway and road crews will keep the roads open. It is extremely rare that we shut down roads for any kind of weather event. It blows my mind that my home state of Texas is still so incompetent at preparing roads for cold weather when these events happen every year.

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To be fair, I think it is a reasonable argument that Texas just does not have the equipment infrastructure to handle this type of weather. Would not really make sense to have 500 or a 1000 trucks for salting or whatever when this type of thing happens so rarely. Don't really think it is accurate that it happens every year. Even if you can say it is yearly one or two events, I doubt it makes financial sense. The vast majority of people could just stay off the roads with no issues, especially now that virtual officing has become the norm. I cannot work from home, but I just postpone my stuff in this weather. Not going to ruin me, and even though I know how to drive in winter conditions, I have no desire to be out with the idiots.

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Wunderground which has been calling this pretty accurately for a few days now shows 7.5" for Fort Worth.

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Ag CPA said:

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Premium said:

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Any thoughts on driving from Houston to Plano tomorrow and coming back Sunday morning or early afternoon?

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I think there is significant ice accumulating today around Corsicana according to family, may look into the conditions coming into Dallas.

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Fort Worth TX
351 PM CST Thu Feb 11 2021

...MAJOR WINTER STORM EXPECTED SUNDAY AND MONDAY...

TXZ091>095-100>107-115>123-129>134-141-120600-
/O.NEW.KFWD.WS.A.0002.210214T0600Z-210216T0000Z/
Montague-Cooke-Grayson-Fannin-Lamar-Young-Jack-Wise-Denton-Collin-
Hunt-Delta-Hopkins-Stephens-Palo Pinto-Parker-Tarrant-Dallas-
Rockwall-Kaufman-Van Zandt-Rains-Eastland-Erath-Hood-Somervell-
Johnson-Ellis-Comanche-
Including the cities of Bowie, Nocona, Gainesville, Sherman,
Denison, Bonham, Paris, Graham, Olney, Jacksboro, Decatur,
Bridgeport, Carrollton, Denton, Lewisville, Flower Mound, Plano,
McKinney, Allen, Frisco, Greenville, Commerce, Cooper,
Sulphur Springs, Breckenridge, Mineral Wells, Weatherford, Briar,
Fort Worth, Arlington, Dallas, Rockwall, Heath, Terrell, Kaufman,
Forney, Canton, Grand Saline, Wills Point, Van, Edgewood, Emory,
East Tawakoni, Point, Cisco, Eastland, Ranger, Gorman,
Stephenville, Dublin, Granbury, Oak Trail Shores, Glen Rose,
Cleburne, Burleson, Waxahachie, Ennis, Midlothian, Comanche,
and De Leon
351 PM CST Thu Feb 11 2021

...WINTER STORM WATCH IN EFFECT FROM LATE SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH
MONDAY AFTERNOON...

* WHAT...Heavy snow and blowing snow possible. Total snow
accumulations of 3 to 7 inches possible. Bitterly cold
temperatures expected. Near blizzard conditions possible.

* WHERE...Portions of north central and northeast Texas.

* WHEN...From late Saturday night through Monday afternoon.

* IMPACTS...Travel will become nearly impossible and could become
life threatening. The cold wind chills as low as 15 below zero
could result in hypothermia if precautions are not taken.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Precautions should be taken now to secure
pipes and anything susceptible to the extreme cold. Have plenty
of food and ways to stay warm in case of power outages.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Monitor the latest forecasts for updates on this situation.

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UTExan said:

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Absolute said:

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UTExan said:

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Absolute said:

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UTExan said:

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As a retired LEO who has worked a lot of cold weather accidents on Utah freeways and roads, one thing never ceases to amaze me: TxDOT knew bad driving conditions were coming, but they never seem to put down road salt ahead of the storms. That's how you mitigate this kind of disaster. Granted you may only need salt once or twice a year, but it saves this kind of carnage that is inevitable with the freeway speeds that people drive.

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Does the brine stuff not really work? Also figure, just like our houses, our roads and highways are not designed with this in mind. So many elevated highways.

I heard the news last night calling for .10 to .25 inches of ice. Was interesting that they did not really stress that that amount is MORE than enough to completely mess up the roads. Even if they had stressed it, people would still go out. Heard an Arlington cop interviewed say that most of the people he had helped this morning weren't even out going to a critical job, "they were out checking out the conditions."

So to take it back to weather, will the roads clear at all by tomorrow before the next round Sunday?

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Elevated roadways and freeway mixmasters are the reason you prep the roads with salt before the sleet and freezing rain arrive. We are expecting 5 days of rain/snow starting tonight with a lot of snow piling up in the back country (40-60" of new snow with water equivalent of 1" inch water per 10" snow). But our local state/local highway and road crews will keep the roads open. It is extremely rare that we shut down roads for any kind of weather event. It blows my mind that my home state of Texas is still so incompetent at preparing roads for cold weather when these events happen every year.

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To be fair, I think it is a reasonable argument that Texas just does not have the equipment infrastructure to handle this type of weather. Would not really make sense to have 500 or a 1000 trucks for salting or whatever when this type of thing happens so rarely. Don't really think it is accurate that it happens every year. Even if you can say it is yearly one or two events, I doubt it makes financial sense. The vast majority of people could just stay off the roads with no issues, especially now that virtual officing has become the norm. I cannot work from home, but I just postpone my stuff in this weather. Not going to ruin me, and even though I know how to drive in winter conditions, I have no desire to be out with the idiots.

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While I would agree in general, dump trucks with rudimentary salt distribution devices aren't expensive. Ambulances, fire and police as well as essential services still need to be on the roads, so salt spreading is not out of the question, especially as it regards saving lives. The excuse of it happening "once a year" should not be tolerated by Texans who deserve better service for their taxes. That salt/urea will be good for several seasons and can always be sold to cold weather areas during heavy winter conditions in those areas.

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tysker said:

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get ready for several days of polar bear plunge vids on FB and IG

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planoaggie123 said:

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tysker said:

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get ready for several days of polar bear plunge vids on FB and IG

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I was actually thinking about cranking up the hot tub this weekend....sounds crazy but my only problem is i am not sure what else might shut off when I do that and dont want to risk my pool while my spa heats up for 4 hours...

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tysker said:

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get ready for several days of polar bear plunge vids on FB and IG

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Grego2007 said:

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I saw a note somewhere that TexDOT might not be in charge of sanding express lanes. Can anyone verify?

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rynning said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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tysker said:

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get ready for several days of polar bear plunge vids on FB and IG

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I was actually thinking about cranking up the hot tub this weekend....sounds crazy but my only problem is i am not sure what else might shut off when I do that and dont want to risk my pool while my spa heats up for 4 hours...

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I asked my pool guy about turning on the heater today, and he said he didn't think it was a good idea for the equipment. Is he wrong?

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planoaggie123 said:

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rynning said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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tysker said:

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get ready for several days of polar bear plunge vids on FB and IG

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I was actually thinking about cranking up the hot tub this weekend....sounds crazy but my only problem is i am not sure what else might shut off when I do that and dont want to risk my pool while my spa heats up for 4 hours...

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I asked my pool guy about turning on the heater today, and he said he didn't think it was a good idea for the equipment. Is he wrong?

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I would like someone to chime in on this...seems like it should be but maybe it is a bad idea if it does cut off flow to other parts of the pool in order to recirculate water to the spa...

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2wealfth Man said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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rynning said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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tysker said:

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get ready for several days of polar bear plunge vids on FB and IG

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I was actually thinking about cranking up the hot tub this weekend....sounds crazy but my only problem is i am not sure what else might shut off when I do that and dont want to risk my pool while my spa heats up for 4 hours...

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I asked my pool guy about turning on the heater today, and he said he didn't think it was a good idea for the equipment. Is he wrong?

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I would like someone to chime in on this...seems like it should be but maybe it is a bad idea if it does cut off flow to other parts of the pool in order to recirculate water to the spa...

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Think a lot depends on your valve configuration. I can heat my spa then throw the system back into pool mode and have that warmed water circulate through the pool lines by playing with the valves.

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agcrock2005 said:

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I know. I can't get that image out of my head of them looking in their mirror to see a monster 18 wheeler about to nail them. Probably knew it was about to be over. Awful.

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planoaggie123 said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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rynning said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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tysker said:

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get ready for several days of polar bear plunge vids on FB and IG

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I was actually thinking about cranking up the hot tub this weekend....sounds crazy but my only problem is i am not sure what else might shut off when I do that and dont want to risk my pool while my spa heats up for 4 hours...

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I asked my pool guy about turning on the heater today, and he said he didn't think it was a good idea for the equipment. Is he wrong?

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I would like someone to chime in on this...seems like it should be but maybe it is a bad idea if it does cut off flow to other parts of the pool in order to recirculate water to the spa...

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Think a lot depends on your valve configuration. I can heat my spa then throw the system back into pool mode and have that warmed water circulate through the pool lines by playing with the valves.

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Makes sense. I guess the "risk" would be any exposure during the heating / use time until you take it back out of spa mode. If any pipes etc would be at risk from water not being moved through them?

edit: likely not going to mess with it but it does seem like it would be fun...

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planoaggie123 said:

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2wealfth Man said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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rynning said:

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planoaggie123 said:

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tysker said:

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get ready for several days of polar bear plunge vids on FB and IG

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I was actually thinking about cranking up the hot tub this weekend....sounds crazy but my only problem is i am not sure what else might shut off when I do that and dont want to risk my pool while my spa heats up for 4 hours...

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I asked my pool guy about turning on the heater today, and he said he didn't think it was a good idea for the equipment. Is he wrong?

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I would like someone to chime in on this...seems like it should be but maybe it is a bad idea if it does cut off flow to other parts of the pool in order to recirculate water to the spa...

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Think a lot depends on your valve configuration. I can heat my spa then throw the system back into pool mode and have that warmed water circulate through the pool lines by playing with the valves.

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Makes sense. I guess the "risk" would be any exposure during the heating / use time until you take it back out of spa mode. If any pipes etc would be at risk from water not being moved through them?

edit: likely not going to mess with it but it does seem like it would be fun...

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maverick12 said:

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The Fed Ex truck looked for sure to be driving way to fast for the conditions.

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wbt5845 said:

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NTTA was responsible for treating that stretch of TEXpress Lanes. They've already released a press statement saying they treated all their roads starting Tuesday.

I'm sure lawyers are loading up as we speak.

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PatAg said:

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Would salt actually do anything on these exposed mix masters/bridges that we have? I always thought that was more for normal roadways and highways.

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Aggie said:

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agcrock2005 said:

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Sad. There's no way that car that got nailed from behind by the 18-wheeler had any survivors. T&P

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The grey SUV and the white truck that went flying likely had no survivors.
And they were 2 of the vehicles not driving reckless and they came up to the pile , did not plow into it.
Then get nailed from behind ... so sad.

Watch that video and see those 2 vehicles sitting there and seconds later it's all over.

People just on their way to work ...mmm

Prayers to all those affected by this tragedy

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wbt5845 said:

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NTTA was responsible for treating that stretch of TEXpress Lanes. They've already released a press statement saying they treated all their roads starting Tuesday.

I'm sure lawyers are loading up as we speak.

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