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Hornbeck
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Who's policing the police, again?
tu ag
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Seems to me, the easiest way for the cops to tick off a bunch of law-abiding freedom-loving citizens is to monitor them for no good reason.
Crazy, huh?
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jello123 said:

https://www.kbtx.com/2026/10/06/brenham-police-department-confirms-internal-investigation-into-officer-following-claims-alleged-flock-camera-misuse/

This wasn't the flock system, it was the Motorola system. Just a reminder that while flock is probably the worst one, they can all be abused.
maroon barchetta
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HPD searching a university campus in Charlotte. This is a new misuse we haven't seen.

https://www.kbtx.com/2026/10/16/out-of-state-police-agency-searched-universitys-flock-camera-network-more-than-183k-times-3-months/
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No misdeeds were reported until a police department voluntarily said that there were………… last sentence of the document……….. total control, self policing, nothing for citizens to see or have a say in…….

Don't worry though our cops won't be guilty………


It will happen here……… don't be surprised.
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I'd be interested in knowing how much the city has spent on Flock cameras since day one, and how many cases were solved using Flock data since day one, so there can be a $ per case solved number.
Hornbeck
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They got a bunch of money in grants to start with.

This last round, there were no grants because the governor put a stop to it.

So, this last round of $300k came out of the $500k contingency fund that the city has.

So, 60% of the contingency fund now gone. If something crazy happens, that money is already spent.
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Hornbeck said:

They got a bunch of money in grants to start with.

This last round, there were no grants because the governor put a stop to it.

So, this last round of $300k came out of the $500k contingency fund that the city has.

So, 60% of the contingency fund now gone. If something crazy happens, that money is already spent.
Well if something crazy happens at least they'll have the license plate of who did it.
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CS78
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Amazing that there's so many "sources" of money for something that the taxpayers don't even want. One big shell game.
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Rexter said:

I'd be interested in knowing how much the city has spent on Flock cameras since day one, and how many cases were solved using Flock data since day one, so there can be a $ per case solved number.

That's the wrong approach. When the Chief of Police used those stats, he was intentionally disingenuous.

You compare the number of cases with Flock vs. the number of cases prior to Flock. For example.

In six months without Flock - College Station solved 10 cases of stolen cars.
In six months with Flock - College Station solved 13 cases of stolen cars.

Then you decide if 3 extra additional cases of stolen cars is worth the money.
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…and the massive loss in privacy.
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birdman said:

Rexter said:

I'd be interested in knowing how much the city has spent on Flock cameras since day one, and how many cases were solved using Flock data since day one, so there can be a $ per case solved number.

That's the wrong approach. When the Chief of Police used those stats, he was intentionally disingenuous.

You compare the number of cases with Flock vs. the number of cases prior to Flock. For example.

In six months without Flock - College Station solved 10 cases of stolen cars.
In six months with Flock - College Station solved 13 cases of stolen cars.

Then you decide if 3 extra additional cases of stolen cars is worth the money.


True…
tu ag
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I saw this coming - conviction being appealed for no-warrant search using Flock:
https://www.texastribune.org/2026/10/19/texas-flock-cameras-fifth-circuit-search/
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Tailgate88 said:

…and the massive loss in privacy.

1000%
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CS78
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Your brother might want to contact the attorneys at the Institute for Justice that handled the Bexar County case.

Amazing that these officers all know about the recent ruling and couldn't care less. They just do whatever they want, with no consequences. And if you sue them and win, they still don't care because it doesn't come out of their wallets. Needs to be a law that if a department loses a case concerning a constitutional violation, the money should come directly from that departments budget. That might get the decision makers attention. Not because I want them to have a reduced budget, but because nothing else seems to phase them.
EliteElectric
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CS78 said:

Your brother might want to contact the attorneys at the Institute for Justice that handled the Bexar County case.

Amazing that these officers all know about the recent ruling and couldn't care less. They just do whatever they want, with no consequences. And if you sue them and win, they still don't care because it doesn't come out of their wallets. Needs to be a law that if a department loses a case concerning a constitutional violation, the money should come directly from that departments budget. That might get the decision makers attention. Not because I want them to have a reduced budget, but because nothing else seems to phase them.

His company (who is very aware of his health) is picking the ball up. His boss (FTA Class of ?) has some stroke with their state reps and are springing into action.
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CS78
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Flock getting it wrong again. People shouldn't be subjected to this.

Richmond woman says Flock cameras led police to tow wrong car
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whoop1995
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Next generation flock cameras run by money driven private companies - it will start spreading and come here soon - taxation with no representation.

Mom tries calling company they say call tax authority - tax authority says call company. Company gets paid either way - 38% of bill plus $50.

Her kid goes to college in a different town.



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Screw that!
CS78
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whoop1995 said:

Next generation flock cameras run by money driven private companies

We're at the tip of the iceberg right now. It will only get worse, if allowed.

How long before they set up a very small driving tax for every time you pass an ALPR. They'll say it's to help encourage carpooling, to lower emissions, to help the environment and all.

SOOOO many ways for these things to be abused in the future. But our politicians cant see past what feels good at the moment. Or don't care. Or just outright support it.
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In the UK, they track every mile you drive and tax you accordingly.
Did I mention the UK is in a very very steep decline?
Koko Chingo
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CS78 said:

whoop1995 said:

Next generation flock cameras run by money driven private companies

We're at the tip of the iceberg right now. It will only get worse, if allowed.

How long before they set up a very small driving tax for every time you pass an ALPR. They'll say it's to help encourage carpooling, to lower emissions, to help the environment and all.

SOOOO many ways for these things to be abused in the future. But our politicians cant see past what feels good at the moment. Or don't care. Or just outright support it.

I don't think we are close. Its going to get exponentially worse. Especially if we vote people in who are not 100% against it. Not the Flock is bad and lets 'put guardrails crowd'.

Some of the issues are that its cheap and anyone can setup ALPR technology. You can even setup your own ALPR system. You get the data but so do multiple agencies. One example - Plate Recognizer, lets you get the data for 2,500 plates per month, the other agencies get all the plates.....

You can setup a cheap camera paired with a raspberry pi mini computer and make your own ALPR setup for under $150 if you go cheap and a little more if you want outdoor housings etc.

Its kind of scary when you read the fine print

https://platerecognizer.com/


JB
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We are just going to have to ditch our plates soon. Ridiculous.
BQ_90
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just install this

Koko Chingo
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Someone sent me a video of a guy who made an active device using smart glass and the Deflock website as a location database.

When the car gets close to a Flock camera it activates the smart glass to cover up the plate and uncover it back to normal when you clear it.

There is some work to do but I really Like the concept. So much so, I ordered a GPS antenna and cellular module. Thank you Google Fi for giving us 4 free data only sim cards...

I will be testing the concept just using an LED for now. If it works out I will order some smart film. that's probably the most expensive part. Film would be ~ $50 per plate, and you can cut the film to size.


Smart Glass Project:

If you haven't checked out the map, take a look, they are everywhere -- ALPR Camera Map - USA and Territories: https://maps.deflock.org/
EliteElectric
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funny thing is J like always the criminals will have this technology and the only people being tracked will be law abiding citizens. Same ole oakey doke from our "leaders"
woodiewood1
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birdman said:

Rexter said:

I'd be interested in knowing how much the city has spent on Flock cameras since day one, and how many cases were solved using Flock data since day one, so there can be a $ per case solved number.

That's the wrong approach. When the Chief of Police used those stats, he was intentionally disingenuous.

You compare the number of cases with Flock vs. the number of cases prior to Flock. For example.

In six months without Flock - College Station solved 10 cases of stolen cars.
In six months with Flock - College Station solved 13 cases of stolen cars.

Then you decide if 3 extra additional cases of stolen cars is worth the money.

....or worth the loss of our right to privacy.
CS78
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Taylor police chief taking action on his own.

"The City of Taylor has terminated its contract with Flock Safety for the Flock Automated License Plate Readers. The City has had a contract with Flock Safety to maintain 8 Automated License Plate Readers on Highway 79 and Highway 95 since late 2023. The readers were purchased with the expectation that their use and access to the Flock database would help solve crime.
The Taylor Police Department analyzed the use of the Flock Cameras and Database and has determined that the frequency of use is far less than anticipated and their usefulness has not been realized in solving crimes. Additionally, the City is not satisfied with data security and protection measures by Flock Safety.
"With the recent loss in confidence in the Flock Safety program, its discontinued use in other departments, and the lack of benefit to our community, we do not believe it is worth continuing our agreement with Flock," said Police Chief Joseph Chacon. "We may revisit the use of Automated License Plate Readers in the future should data security concerns be addressed."
The 8 cameras installed in Taylor have been disabled and will be removed in the coming days as a part of the termination process. The City does not maintain any other Automated License Plate Readers."

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CS78 said:

Taylor police chief taking action on his own.

"The City of Taylor has terminated its contract with Flock Safety for the Flock Automated License Plate Readers. The City has had a contract with Flock Safety to maintain 8 Automated License Plate Readers on Highway 79 and Highway 95 since late 2023. The readers were purchased with the expectation that their use and access to the Flock database would help solve crime.
The Taylor Police Department analyzed the use of the Flock Cameras and Database and has determined that the frequency of use is far less than anticipated and their usefulness has not been realized in solving crimes. Additionally, the City is not satisfied with data security and protection measures by Flock Safety.
"With the recent loss in confidence in the Flock Safety program, its discontinued use in other departments, and the lack of benefit to our community, we do not believe it is worth continuing our agreement with Flock," said Police Chief Joseph Chacon. "We may revisit the use of Automated License Plate Readers in the future should data security concerns be addressed."
The 8 cameras installed in Taylor have been disabled and will be removed in the coming days as a part of the termination process. The City does not maintain any other Automated License Plate Readers."

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Time for me to leave The People's Republic of College Station and reside in the free state of Taylor…
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birdman
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College Station police officer just got arrested for beating up his wife. Then justifying it publicly.

That's who has access to Flock.
woodiewood1
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People who act like timid sheep will always trade their freedoms for minimum risk in life and privacy.
EliteElectric
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woodiewood1 said:

People who act like timid sheep will always trade their freedoms for minimum risk in life and privacy.

Also, people who can't, or won't, protect themselves will be at the mercy of those who will. It's transactional. If you are too timid to arm yourself, stand up for yourself and learn how to use that arm to protect you and your family you have to pay the taxman to hire someone to do so and be at their mercy.
 
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