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maroon barchetta
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Good grief.
whoop1995
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Interesting how government chose this spot to place a flock camera.


Wrong car, wrong person…..

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I saw City of College Station take down and remove a Flock camera today.

Don't know if it was broken, but it wasn't replaced.
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We should move to Lonoke County, Arkansas!

https://www.facebook.com/share/1BDSsu358E/
PS3D
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whoop1995 said:


Interesting how government chose this spot to place a flock camera.

Can't tell from the video angle too well but it looks like it's on private land, which would tend to discredit her argument.

If that actually was the case, stuff like this would be the last thing I wanted to promote if I had anything against the cameras.
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I bet the gun range video is actually a security camera and not a license plate reader. No one complains about Walmart and Target having security cameras in their parking lots.
whoop1995
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mason12 said:

I bet the gun range video is actually a security camera and not a license plate reader. No one complains about Walmart and Target having security cameras in their parking lots.

People complained here and the company listened - why is there a contract to keep them up? What is being done with the data? Why is flock making a big deal of keeping them up?

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whoop1995
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Great……….


So if the company supposedly owns the data why is flock so adamant of collecting this data? Does flock retain the data forever? That question hasn't been answered.


By the way all of the police cars have license plate readers in them right now and supposedly they retain this data for only 30 days according to google. Recording everything even driving through parking lots and neighborhoods in your driveway - gray area of being in public since it is on private property.
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CS78
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I think we have to assume that they have big longterm plans for it and see it as extremely valuable. The rates that they're charging municipalities just doesn't make sense otherwise. In flocks eyes, we are ultimately the product.
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CS78 said:

I think we have to assume that they have big longterm plans for it and see it as extremely valuable. The rates that they're charging municipalities just doesn't make sense otherwise. In flocks eyes, we are ultimately the product.

I agree and that is surveillance. It has been said before not by me but in this or other threads that I bet if someone put a camera outside of city hall and one on each of the streets the city council and police lives on they wouldn't like it. They would promise to erase it every 30 days.
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This recent discussion got me to thinking about who are the owners of Flock. Don't recall it being discussed in previous threads, but it concerned me enough to check with the good ol' AI.

It is a privately help company, not public traded, so very limited ownership data is available. The CEO and founder, Garrett Langley, seems to have started the company with good intentions after his neighborhood had some criminal activity 2017. However, since then, it has become an $8B valued company following a $1B funding by investors. Who are those investors? If they are going to own all this private data, should it not be public who are these "other" owners?
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whoop1995 said:

Does flock retain the data forever? That question hasn't been answered.


By the way all of the police cars have license plate readers in them right now and supposedly they retain this data for only 30 days according to google. Recording everything even driving through parking lots and neighborhoods in your driveway - gray area of being in public since it is on private property.


I obviously don't have any hard facts to back this up, but the value of data decays over time. I would be shocked if a company kept this data indefinitely unless its customers were paying it to do so.
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Aggieland Proud said:

Who are those investors? If they are going to own all this private data, should it not be public who are these "other" owners?


Per Yahoo Finance, investments in 2025 were "led by Andreessen Horowitz, as well as additional support from Greenoaks Capital and Bedrock Capital, among others."

So to answer your question, a bunch of large venture capital firms.
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whoop1995 said:

mason12 said:

I bet the gun range video is actually a security camera and not a license plate reader. No one complains about Walmart and Target having security cameras in their parking lots.

People complained here and the company listened - why is there a contract to keep them up? What is being done with the data? Why is flock making a big deal of keeping them up?

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That's not making a good case for Flock. The X account made the erroneous assumption that Flock cameras were pointed at the gun range's parking lot to "doxx" their customers, and yes, as I suspected, they were on private property, and the same X account does nothing to address this mistake that they made.

The gun range signed a contract with Flock, and then violated said contract. It is absurd to think that you should be able to run out on a contract and believe there is no reason for the other party to be upset.
maroon barchetta
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This is happening in some larger cities.

Don't want to see money thrown away.

https://www.fox9.com/video/fmc-c1obenlsbxaahs98
Valen
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I mentioned in another thread that I'd post my thoughts on Flock here, and I want to stay true to that. This won't satisfy everyone, but it's a clear statement of where I stand.

I don't particularly take issue with the tool itself. I simply do not trust Flock the company. Too many mistakes, too many vulnerabilities, too many mishandled situations. If a more secure company existed that did not store the data and offered true end to end encryption, I would be vocal as hell advocating for a switch. At this point, that company does not exist.

The cameras themselves have documented successful uses right here in College Station and show how the technology can be applied responsibly. I've heard directly from the officers who've used them and how the tools helped their cases. That said, I know not every department operates to our standards. I've read the accounts of misuse and people taking advantage of the system elsewhere. The possibility that someone could hack into the Flock system and build a profile on me because they disliked a vote or something I said at council does cross my mind.

I've done a solid amount of homework on this, not as much as some in this thread, but enough. To my knowledge and based on the conversations I've had, these cameras do not violate the Fourth Amendment. There have been roughly a dozen court cases, and as of today the legal precedent holds that they are not in violation. Again, this is about the tool, not the company.

If citizens put this on an upcoming ballot, I would 100% support that. It's your tax dollars. We live in a democracy. I will always back people expressing their voice and their choice.

Several people on the Hill are working to ban or outlaw these cameras, largely because of distrust of Flock. If any legislation passes, we would adhere to it fully.

I truly do not trust Flock. I believe they lied to and deceived council. But I 100% trust and support our law enforcement, and I know that if there is misuse, our DA is ready to prosecute.

When the contract expires and it's time to renew, I want to grill the Flock team hard and push for stronger protections for our citizens.
CS78
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Valen said:

But I 100% trust and support our law enforcement, and I know that if there is misuse, our DA is ready to prosecute.


Thank you for your reply.

This is the same DA that refused to prosecute the corrupt tabc agent at Northgate a while back. I wouldn't be so sure.
maroon barchetta
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CS78 said:

Valen said:

But I 100% trust and support our law enforcement, and I know that if there is misuse, our DA is ready to prosecute.


Thank you for your reply.

This is the same DA that refused to prosecute the corrupt tabc agent at Northgate a while back. I wouldn't be so sure.


Yep
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I noticed today that the Flock cameras around town are showing up in the Waze app.
Tyrannosaurus Ross
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The flock camera that had been located on rock prairie road just east (or south) of Fitch toward lick creek park was gone Saturday morning.
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Gunner0740
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Technically the case was brought before a grand jury who declined to indict the TABC Agent. I know grand juries are led by a prosecutor, but the citizens serving on them are given opportunity to review the facts of the case and decide whether or not to follow through with an indictment.
maroon barchetta
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Gunner0740 said:

Technically the case was brought before a grand jury who declined to indict the TABC Agent. I know grand juries are led by a prosecutor, but the citizens serving on them are given opportunity to review the facts of the case and decide whether or not to follow through with an indictment.


I thought Parsons refused to go forward with the case or influenced the grand jury somehow?

The defense attorney for the bar employee that was accused was pretty critical of Parsons if I remember correctly.
Gunner0740
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Since the proceedings are secret, I only have news stories to go on and all of them that I've found say that it was presented to the GJ and they declined to indict. Past that, I don't know what happened behind closed doors…
CS78
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Gunner0740 said:

Since the proceedings are secret, I only have news stories to go on and all of them that I've found say that it was presented to the GJ and they declined to indict. Past that, I don't know what happened behind closed doors…


Grand juries do what the DA ask them to, 99.9% of time in Texas. That was a dog and pony show so people could wash their hands.

History has shown, the system usually protects itself. Expecting anything different when it comes to flock, would be naive.
CS78
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Tyrannosaurus Ross said:

The flock camera that had been located on rock prairie road just east (or south) of Fitch toward lick creek park was gone Saturday morning.

Same one birdman saw taken down?

Maybe they are quietly rethinking things?
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CS78 said:

Tyrannosaurus Ross said:

The flock camera that had been located on rock prairie road just east (or south) of Fitch toward lick creek park was gone Saturday morning.

Same one birdman saw taken down?

Maybe they are quietly rethinking things?

That's the one I saw removed.
CS78
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Valen said:

If citizens put this on an upcoming ballot, I would 100% support that. It's your tax dollars. We live in a democracy. I will always back people expressing their voice and their choice.


If a council member vote were called to put it on the ballot, for the people to decide, would you vote for or against putting it on the ballot?
Valen
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I give you my word that if as a councilman a vote was taken for this to go on the ballot that I'd be a ya vote. I still believe it's a helpful tool to law enforcement and I want them to have all the tools the need to do their job well. However, it is your tax dollars paying for it therefore if the citizens want a vote they deserve to have a vote.
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https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EM5rUqq4C/
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This guy is allowed to speak out and the town council and police used flock to harass him so he became more knowledgeable on the system. Police tracked him where ever he went - even cross country for no reason. No real records kept.
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This story just ran on KBTX.

mason12
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I would be curious to know what offense category these officers are running the search under. I would've loved to see that reporter go confront the police chief or mayor for an answer.
whoop1995
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Another person pulled over because of bureaucratic screwup - who police's the mistakes - is the city ready for lawsuits regarding flock or do the police just get away with this continually under qualified immunity- information that wasn't checked correctly from another town - why is there no compensation from the city for the mistake? Police made the mistake and detained these people for no reason - luckily they weren't hotheads or they would've been shot.



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Stucco
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What could go wrong?


New tech adds phone tracking to license plate readers, associating devices with identifiable cars

https://theconversation.com/new-tech-adds-phone-tracking-to-license-plate-readers-associating-devices-with-identifiable-cars-288876
CS78
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That's really where the problem is. Flock is just foot in the door. If they can succeed in making people complacent to it, the surveillance state will easily become more extreme. Unfortunately our leaders are either too short sighted to see it, or just don't care.
 
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