deatsman,

do you know of any deals on your optic? I can't find one under 700 bucks! I'm thinking of going with a Weaver 1x3 instead.

A3/A4 is the same thing: a flattop receiver with a Picatinny rail. I think the "A4" designation is civilian, and the "A3 designation is military. Same receiver one way or the other.

Log,
Do A4s have the feed ramps cut?


Jobu,
Ebay has some in $500-600 range. One on there now has a $150 Larue mount(what I have and arguably the best) included.

one on arfcom:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=23&t=486874



[This message has been edited by deatsman (edited 11/16/2007 9:34a).]

A3 vs A4...no difference except the A4 is the civvie designation for an upper that has M4 feed ramps cut into the upper.

These are another of the so called must haves in the AR world. M4 cuts are nice, but they are only beneficial for full auto fire. They dont hurt anything to have, but you dont NEED them.

PP

With all due respect to Deatsman and how much he paid for his CQT...there are a lot of high speed folks that dont like them.

For much less money, and much greater use-ability, take a look at the Millet DMS-1. They are getting hard to find as more folks become aware of them, I finally got mine and have another ordered. True 1 power, up to four. Illuminated reticle. Cross hairs with a 1 minute central dot and all for only $230 + or -.

PP

Whoa there hoss... I didn't pay for it. It was a gift that was the result of an over zealous gun store salesmen. Deats ain't made of money.

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[This message has been edited by deatsman (edited 11/16/2007 10:00a).]

The reviews I've seen for the Millet look pretty good. Almost the same specs as the $750 Meopta I have on my 3-gun AR at 1/3 the price. A few folks have had problems with their Millet but the factory sent them a brand new scope in every case.

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Some do, some don't. If it is a military rifle, it doesn't. If it is a new version M4 (produced since about the start of the GWOT) it probably does. Many carbines are still floating around without them though. Feed ramps really only make a difference in a full auto carbine that is doing lots of mag dumps.

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A3 vs A4...no difference except the A4 is the civvie designation for an upper that has M4 feed ramps cut into the upper.

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A4 is the civilian designation for the military A3. It designates it as a flattop. If and upper has M4 feed ramps, it will be touted as having "M4 cuts," "M4 ramps," etc., and will command a higher price ($10-$20 or so) than a regular A4 upper. Many of the ones with M4 ramps will have "M4" stamped above the gas tube hole on the front of the receiver.

[This message has been edited by Log (edited 11/16/2007 10:20a).]

This is a magnificent thread, we've got our own TexAgs version of Arfcom, just without the sarcastic posts and Colt-humping.

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Colt-humping

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I admit I know nothing about this stuff, and I have alot of questions.

the millett dms-1 or aimpoint or similar, will they work for quickly finding an object in the scope like a running pig?

and what distance will they be usefull for?

since this has become the texARF thread, what kind of handguard/rails is on this setup. I've been thinking about getting one of these rifles from CMNG or building my own.

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the millett dms-1 or aimpoint or similar, will they work for quickly finding an object in the scope like a running pig?

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At 1x they will. You can keep both eyes open and keep track of a moving target with a little practice.

At 4x the Millet should be able to get you out to 300 yards at least. Depends on what zoom you need to comfortably make the shot. It only has a 1 MOA dot so it will only be covering 3 inches at 300 yards, more than enough precision to hit a pig center mass.

That's a VLTOR CASV handguard.

http://www.vltor.com/casv.htm

There are some real issues w/Millet DMS-1 now. Ask yourself this: how often am I going to NEED illumination?

I like the pricepoint of the Millet, but I don't like that it has a dubious record manufacturing wise. I waffle to and from the Millet vs. Weaver. Hell, I could change my mind next week.

I'd rather have some magnification vs the aimpoint/eotech/or their clones.

how many .223 rounds can I shoot in a row without overheating the barrell?

well... they make 100 round mags.

These guns were built to be used in full auto/ 3 rd burst. You will be fine shooting semi auto.

"how many .223 rounds can I shoot in a row without overheating the barrell? "

Unless you have a happy switch on your rifle, you would have a hard time doing it...even then you would have a rough time ruining the barrel. If you can afford to ruin a barrel by running ammo through it, you can afford a new barrel!

Barrel life, which may have been what you were asking, can be 15,000 rounds or longer in a chrome lined barrel. Stainless tubes are much less before they begin to degrade in terms of accuracy...maybe 2-3000. But even then a stainless barrell might go from shooting half-inch groups to .8" groups...big deal.

It's really all relative.

An interesting stat for you to think about...a suppressor heats up about 10 degrees per round fired. Mine gets too hot to take off for 15-20 minutes real quick.

PP

[This message has been edited by Puryear Playboy (edited 11/16/2007 11:39p).]

Awesome!

The scope on the rifle in the pic above from Burger is a DMS-1.

Jaw3336: The way to shoot a red-dot, or any scope with no magnification is to NOT look through the scope. Riflemen learn at a young age to look through the scope...you have too because the magnification forces you too...the problem is your field of view is limited to what you can see through the scope.

Take your red-dot, shoulder your rifle and stare at a target across the room with your shooting eye behind the dot like you normally would...now, instead of focusing on the rear lense of the red-dot, focus on the target. Shift to another target while moving the rifle to follow your eyes.

Notice the body of the scope has dissappeared? But the red dot is still magically there? Thats what makes the Aimpoint and other "reflex" sights so fast. You are not looking through the scope, you are looking at the target and the dot is there for you to reference onto the target and shoot.

PP



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Not in the immediate future, but sometime in the next couple of years (sooner if hitlery clinton has a chance at pres) I'd like to get a suppressor. Is it possible to use a .223/5.56 suppressor on a .22 pistol/rifle? I wouldn't expect it to perform as well, but shouldn't that work? It would be nice to able to use it on multiple weapons, especially since ammo prices have gotten so high.

Not trying to be rude, but since when has a .22 pistol/rifle been so loud that it scared off an animal/person?

for a .22, use the CB round. It's as quiet as an air gun and you can actually see the bullet as it's flying.

Using a .223 can on a rifle or pistol in .22 is no problem. Depends on the mount more than anything else...my rifle cans use QD mounts that would make use on a pistol difficult due to size.

There are two other issues to consider: 1. .22 LR is dirty, it will gunk up the inside of the can. Some say this is a big issue and only buy .22 cans that can be disassembled for cleaning. I dont have one of those and I dont really worry about it. 2. Rifle cans are heavy compared to pistol cans. Rifle cans are made of stainless steel primarily...all pistol cans and .22's are aluminium. My .22 can weighs 3.5 ounces, .223 rifle can, almost 20. Thats a lot of weight on a pistol. No biggee on a rifle. Get a thread-on .223 can if the want to econimize. Just understand, you will be buying another. Ever tried Crack?

If you want to get a suppressor, buy a .22 first. You will shoot it the most and get the most impressive suppression. In terms of sound reduction the 9MM is next. When shooting the .223 and the .22, the noise level will be about the same...all that you are hearing is the sonic crack of the bullet. However, when shooting sub-sonic ammo in a .22 (which is not available in .223)...you hear nothing. Very cool. Most all ammo (I use Stingers) will not get super-sonic out of a short pistol barrel. Lots of fun.

Just to be clear, in Texas it is illegal to shoot GAME animals with a can. Coons, hogs, coyotes etc. are not game animals. Think for just a second about hunting them and you will easily see the advantage of suppression. Its also just a more pleasant shooting experience and a great training aid to have the noise and muzzle blast be minimized or eliminated.

Its also fun to have people ask you at the range if you kill people for a living and you can respond "yes, and I am on the job right now." Stupid NFA questions are the best.

That, and chicks dig'em bigtime...

PP

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Nice.

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By the way, I really curse deatsman for starting this thread

I just ordered my second rifle.

Stephen owns an AR? He's my new best friend!

ETA: On my end of the deal, still trying to get my paintball gear sold so I can buy one.

[This message has been edited by SpoetzlAg (edited 11/19/2007 9:48a).]

QB has an AR-15. That's awesome. I have cursed you all with BRD. There is no cure, no vaccine, and the only way to stop the craving is to spend money and burn ammo.

Yeah... Arfcom is one of my top 3 bookmarks now... and I don't even own one yet...

another rookie question:

what's the difference between the A2, A3, and A4? are the sights different?

Thanks-

see above... log answered your question. about A3 and A4.


As to an A1 and A2, yes the rear sights are different.

The confusion with the A1-A4 is that they are modifications of different weapons.

The M16A1 is the original M16 that you think of from Vietnam. Triangular handguard, three pronged flash suppressor, and fires full auto.

The M16A2 is the modern M16 with a different rear site, round handguard, and a longer stock.

The M16A4 is the weapon that the USMC has replaced the M16A2 with. On the outside the only difference is that is has a flat top on the upper receiver instead of the carrying handle.

The M4A3 is the current issue weapon for the majority of the US Army. It is a 14.5" barrel and a flat top upper receiver and fires semi or 3 round burst. There is a M4A1 that fires full auto and is in use with some special forces units.

So when people are referring to the A3-A4 upper receiver they mean the flat top receiver that appears on both the M16A4 and the M4A3.

I'm picking up my Bargain Bin from Champion today. I'll take pics if someone wants to post them.