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BrazosDog02 said:

Rattler12 said:

It's kind of amazing how many dogs in shelters are "pit bull" mixes. Why are they winding up in shelters in the first place....hmmmmm.....


You don't really know what's in the shelter. I don't know any shelters that use "pit bull mix" because they are harder to adopt like that. We don't use German Shepherd, Doberman, Pit Bull, etc….in fact 95% of them are labeled lab mix or terrier mix.

They get "whatever other dog it looks like that's non-triggering" + "mix".

The black dog in the post above at the shelters we work with is a "Lab Mix"….thats it.

The fact is you don't know what mix it is unless it's for sure….




Looking at the head and front shoulders of the dog in the picture, that "lab mix" looks remarkably "pit bullish".
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maroonblood90 said:

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Naw bro nowhere close you apparently either didn't read my post or were just super happy you found thank dank ass meme and couldn't control yourself.

I think you are an idiot to try to defend pit bulls. Here is no reason for the breed. I have never seen a news article describing a dog mauling where a pit bull was not the perp.

Just like we have never seen a news article talking about a shooting where the gun wasn't an AR or an AK "full automatic semi assault rifle with extra clips!"

Using news articles as a reasoning is pretty thin IMO because every dog that isn't a labradoodle is automatically a "pit bull".

Just about any dog, regardless of breed, that is treated poorly and/or neglected and allowed to run free will be a problem in my experience. Pits included.

Actually not even the same thing. What about the pit bulls that are not treated poorly that still kill people? There seems to be a news story every month or so. So yes, I stand by it. Have never heard of a labradoodle mauling and killing anyone. Have you?

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We get it, you hate pits. I'm not sure how many other ways you can state that fact, although I'm sure you'll come up with a few more just because you seem to be really creative.
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I was gonna post yesterday and in the end opted to refrain, as this ongoing pit disagreement hits home some. For many years I was an avowed and stanch opponent of Pits of any kind. I saw, and was part of, a fairly bad attack by what I would identify as a Pit while in school at A&M. It really jaded me.

Fast forward about 22 years I ended up, reluctantly with great trepidation while having a weak moment, rescuing a female Pit that was on deaths door. Tried to rehome her, tried to shelter her; no way no how. She has been the best dog, out of many and out all of all kinds of breeds, that I have ever had.

When rescuing her I took her to my sage and very good long time Vet. A fine doc, fine man, and great Aggie. Two things he mentioned that have always stuck with me. One being that in his 35 years experience, he found that Pits, in general, were people dogs and needed to be around people, they were not "back yard and forget" dogs that had much interest in some inherited trait like hunting or water dogs. The other was that it perplexed him that in the early part of his career he rarely saw Pit caused violence or attacks on other dogs. He didn't elaborate, but said something with the amount and type of Pits changed in the early 80's.

Anecdotally, and I find Gunny's post interesting and informative, I don't remember hearing about the abundance of Pit attacks, or even a lot about dog attacks, growing up in the 70's and early 80's. Why? Did we just not hear about people being mauled? Or was there a much lower instance? I don't know. Further, I have spent most of my life living and working out of the U.S. and one thing I picked up on is that in the countries I lived in, to include the 2 poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. The stray and uncontrolled dog situation was much worse than seen in the U.S., and there were aplenty Pit's and Pit Mixes. Yet in those countries, and in others, one didn't hear about common dog attacks on people, at least not very frequently. One stark difference is that terrible and aggressive dog behavior in those countries was not tolerated. Good or bad, there was lots of summary justice handed out. There was also lots less for profit breeding and keeping of animals as adornments, for lack of a better word.

As time has passed I have grown to look at Pits in a much different light, but still with abounding caution. Like Gunny relates, I am much more inclined to believe that conditions and early formation, along with repetitive enforcement, has a lot more to do with how a dog behaves. Lotta backyard and apartment abandoned dogs in the U.S.. If I could clone my current, and she is getting older, Pit I would do so.
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Howdy, OP here, still no way for me on Pits, get'em gone!

This is funny but true!

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Quote:

As time has passed I have grown to look at Pits in a much different light, but still with abounding caution. Like Gunny relates, I am much more inclined to believe that conditions and early formation, along with repetitive enforcement, has a lot more to do with how a dog behaves. Lotta backyard and apartment abandoned dogs in the U.S.. If I could clone my current, and she is getting older, Pit I would do so.


This is why folks advocate for breed neutral rather than breed specific legislation. Hold owners accountable for the act of any dog and it will achieve the same goals in a more efficient manner than trying to euthanize an entire breed.

There are way too many contra-points like the one you shared to allow the kill 'em all crowd to ever look serious.

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BrazosDog02 said:

Never had any issue with the breed. We foster and rehome many many dogs. Maybe full blood ones are bad, but all of our "scary dogs that look like pits" are fostered and rehomed as mixed breeds. I think it's more the 'type' of owner that tends to own the breed that is more the issue than the actual breed. Kind of like how when you see a lifted dodge ram diesel you know pretty well what kind of bonehead is behind the wheel.


Or a complete DA with a 6.0 ford
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Edit…nevermind.

.I'd say I'll see you at the next adoption event, foster signing, fund raiser, city council meeting, or spay/neuter event but something tells me you probably don't bother with such things.
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maroonblood90 said:

NRH ag 10 said:

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2 plus pages, I'd do that as a over/under.


Trivia question: which breed are responsible for most bites in a Austin study years ago?

Answer: Lovable Labs.

Pits have a normal dog bite ratio to other breeds for the most part. But here is the problem….

They have an incredibly strong bite force. Much greater than 90% of all breeds.

They bite and hold/tear at their target much greater fervency than other breeds.

They are very aggressive when in a pack.

A Lab will bite and be done, a Pit will kill you.

Pits are not welcome on my property. Ever.

We have a lab pit mix. I am posting this from the afterlife because I'm dead.



And I hope no children around that dog.


I was pretty glad she was around my pregnant wife pushing a stroller with our toddler when a loose dog (not a pit bull) ran at them. I was walking Poppy a little behind, she saw the dog, got there as fast as she could drag me behind, and turned the loose dog right around with no fuss.

But I'm sure you know more about her than me from just a photo.

Edit: here are some recent photos. We share a back fence with the dog that went after my wife (and me on another occasion). I feel better knowing Poppy is always out there when my wife and the boys are in the backyard.







I'm sure by now maroonblood90 could write tomes on the danger Poppy poses to society, as his knowledge is exponentially greater than the people who've lived with her for 4 years, and spent the 2 years before our first son was born testing her to see her reaction when she gets poked, prodded, grabbed, or has food or toys taken away
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We had a dog go berserk in an exam room. Mixed breed dog with no Pit in him and weighed about 40 pounds. We could tell the dog was sketchy so we asked the owner who was actually the owner's mom to put the muzzle on for us and we left the room. Then we heard screaming and the dog had hold of the old woman's arm and was munching on it. Blood everywhere. One of my technicians got the dog off and we put a catch pole on it. We called the son and he begged us not to put the dog to sleep which we couldn't do without his permission anyway. I told him... you should see what he did to your mother. I was pretty worked up. After the EMS left the guy came and got the dog and I told him to never bring it back. To my knowledge he never put the dog to sleep. He took it to another Vet and had him neutered. I doubt if it helped.

We don't tolerate bad dogs. I won't risk my staff or myself.

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I can't afford a good mal, so I keep buying labs to train to be a police bite dog. Eventually one of them will work out, because it's about the owner and training.

Then I will use that exception to breed characteristics, to advocate for more police bite dogs to be labs.
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" We don't tolerate bad dogs. I won't risk my staff or myself."

This would be a great sign on your door!
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I saw a news story about a 7 day-old baby killed by a dog named Chomp.

A bunch of people living in a filthy house. Dog had bitten people before. Loser dad left the baby alone in a room with Chomp in between playing video games and going to talk to other white trash family members.
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That is a good joke in jest.
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Had some renters in our neighborhood whose pit bulls had gotten out once or twice before...once almost mauling a mail man. Then one day one of their dogs got out again, attacking a young mother walking her baby in a stroller on a peaceful day. She jumped in between herself and the baby and just took a crazy mauling on her arms until a couple of men were able to intervene and help, thank God.

I will never let my child play with one. I say that knowing that many are great, well behaved dogs, who are amazing around children...I just don't trust them to always be that way or to never "snap".

My bro had a staffordshire terrier years ago...amazing dog. Was great at dog parks and anyehwere else you took it. Didn't need to be on a leash, super well behaved all around. But then bro got busier and could not socialize the dog as much, and within months it just decided that it would straight up attack and try to kill any dog that it came in contact with. He had to put it down.
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NRH ag 10 said:

maroonblood90 said:

NRH ag 10 said:

SteveBott said:

2 plus pages, I'd do that as a over/under.


Trivia question: which breed are responsible for most bites in a Austin study years ago?

Answer: Lovable Labs.

Pits have a normal dog bite ratio to other breeds for the most part. But here is the problem….

They have an incredibly strong bite force. Much greater than 90% of all breeds.

They bite and hold/tear at their target much greater fervency than other breeds.

They are very aggressive when in a pack.

A Lab will bite and be done, a Pit will kill you.

Pits are not welcome on my property. Ever.

We have a lab pit mix. I am posting this from the afterlife because I'm dead.



And I hope no children around that dog.


I was pretty glad she was around my pregnant wife pushing a stroller with our toddler when a loose dog (not a pit bull) ran at them. I was walking Poppy a little behind, she saw the dog, got there as fast as she could drag me behind, and turned the loose dog right around with no fuss.

But I'm sure you know more about her than me from just a photo.

Edit: here are some recent photos. We share a back fence with the dog that went after my wife (and me on another occasion). I feel better knowing Poppy is always out there when my wife and the boys are in the backyard.







I'm sure by now maroonblood90 could write tomes on the danger Poppy poses to society, as his knowledge is exponentially greater than the people who've lived with her for 4 years, and spent the 2 years before our first son was born testing her to see her reaction when she gets poked, prodded, grabbed, or has food or toys taken away
sorry it took so long for me to respond to you … all I will say at this point to you is that I pray this dog will always be such a great family pet as you say he is. Best of luck.
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With nearly every story about a pit mix eating a baby there is a similar quote from the owner: "He was the sweetest dog, ne'er dun nuthin like that before. I don't know what happened..."

I hope your wife and kids stay safe.
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Never owned a pit in my life but have had nothing but great experiences with them.

First time, wife and I were going to a hotel HS graduation party. We're in the parking lot and this little blur of fur runs up to my wife and jumps in her hands. Pit/Staffie pup. Cutest little thing. So, we walk in with her. I gave to my cousin, and she lived 15+ years and always remembered us when we'd come over. Such a sweet girl. Always around kids of all ages (big family).

We also recently fostered a "terrier" pup that was probably 90+% pitt. She was so great. Fearless and smart. Only rescue that we've had with zero trauma of any kind. She did chew a lot (teething) and was of course stubborn, as any terrier will be. I do miss her. Gave to a woman whose Jack Russell recently passed. That little thing ran across the room, jumped in her lap, wouldn't stop licking her face. Not the hardest "sale". She wasn't leaving without that dog.
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So anecdotal evidence here but I feel I need to say this.

AFAIK my grandfather got into breeding bulldogs (pitbulls) pre WW2. He had on his dog yard outside of Palmdale CA, 20-50 grown dogs at all times as well as puppy enclosures that housed litters of pups at various times. He bred and sold dogs. He also bred American Quarter Horses and Angus beef cattle, it was a working ranch. Our family has conservatively raised hundreds of these dogs if not 1000+. Admittedly from a fairly tight bloodline, but pit bulldogs none the less. In that time we had one dog, a dog named Tina, a small red *****, that was sold to a man in Phoenix AZ. get returned to us by the man's children after the man died a few years later. A few hours after she was put out in the holding kennel she growled at my grandfather while he was watering her. She then snapped at him and so he quickly put her down. 1 dog, out of a ton of dogs.

As I admitted to earlier in the thread, these dogs were bred to fight for centuries and do to that they do not play well with other dogs, however, it is our experience that they are great with people and have been for us fr 100 years. All of us, and all of our kids have been raised around them. No issues. Not one single issue.

Just like any shooting in the US get's labeled an "automatic weapon" "AK47" "AR15" by the media, it's also my experience that "pit bull" at times means any dog that bites someone to the press.

TDLR -My lifetime experience with pitbulls is vastly different than what's been reported in this thread.
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NoahAg said:

With nearly every story about a pit mix eating a baby there is a similar quote from the owner: "He was the sweetest dog, ne'er dun nuthin like that before. I don't know what happened..."

I hope your wife and kids stay safe.

Do you think the people saying that make it true? That the dog never showed any hints of aggression? No resource guarding, no growling if touched a way the dog doesn't like, no dominant behaviors towards people? That they intentionally tested those things? Taking the dog's favorite bone right out of its mouth mid chew? Picking up their food bowl and walking away with it halfway through? Grabbing a paw while the dog is asleep to see how it will react?

I bet the owners of the dog what went after my wife and son on one occasion and me and my dog on another would say their dog is great with them, and I bet it is. I know I see it grab a stuffed animal, bite it, and shake the crap out of it through their window or screen door every time I walk by and that dog is visible.
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Elderly man with dementia, killed by his daughter's pit bull, who had attacked a Meals On Wheels worker and a home healthcare worker in the past.

https://www.kbtx.com/2026/06/17/daughter-charged-after-78-year-old-father-with-dementia-killed-pit-bull-attack/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=organicclicks&tbref=hp
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I hope you carry.
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I'm certainly never gonna own a PB cause I just don't trust them. But I'm the same with a Chow, Rottweiler, and Doberman…. That's just me from my experiences.
With that said. Back a bunch of years ago my best man at my wedding had a son who was 12. He and a couple of the families younger kids were at their uncles ranch in Blanco. Said uncle had a Border Collie that was about three years old. The kids had played with this dog since he was a puppy. One afternoon they were playing with him and the border collie bit my best man's son in the face badly. He had his left eye damaged and it literally, without exaggeration, tore his entire left cheek and part of his lips and nose off.
Young man endured 12 surgeries and 4 reconstructive surgeries.
He never wanted to be around dogs again.
Before this the dog had never hurt anyone.
At the end of the day they are animals….and you can't predict all of them 100%
But a lot is their DNA. Sporting dogs like to retrieve. Herding dogs like to herd and protect the herd, etc. etc. They do have tendencies to do what they do.
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The amount of people who have claimed their sweet sweet pit was different, would never hurt a fly, and their lovable pet ended up mauling, maiming or killing either a visitor or its own owner is enough evidence to keep me away. It's pretty ingrained in the instinct of that breed and there's too much evidence of them having a horrifying moment despite what their owners think of the nature of their own pet. Whatever drives people to think they're the magical loving owner that will counter their natural instinct with love and make them something they are not is just too much of a risk that a sane person should take if they will have kids and lots of visitors at their home.
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Well your OBers went 3 pages. I was at 2.

Look Ive seen this exact thread 50-100 times since paying for Texags. I've researched the theory that pits are a dog that is controlled by its environment. That's mostly true. Nefarious breeders have imbedded the Pit with dangerous tendencies.

But they have a killer instinct not seen other breeds. They have the force bite of a 120 pound dog. And they way 30-40 pounds at best. They bite to kill.

They are not welcome on my property.
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The victim, who was battling dementia, was attacked by the 117-pound pit bull March 10 at his daughter's home in Essex

Did any/some of your read that article? That dog isn't a "pitbull", that is a genetic abomination. Almost certainly it is an "American Bully" a highly bred process dog that was bred for size, strength, and thug show off looks. This variation is a fairly recent mix, like in the last 20 years or so, into the "pitbull" genre and is a very un-natural and un-ethical result of thugs and trash folks having money to spend on dogs. And almost assuredly one of the thousands of this type of breeding abomination that is neglected and mistreated by the supposed owners.

Any 117 pound dog is a potential threat to other animals and more so human beings. Breeders that develop dogs like this are coming up with the Ivan Drago of dogs and the trash folks that are buying them are propagating the problem. Bottom line this isn't the pitbull or staffordshire terrier of the pre 1980's/1990's.

Society could ban "Pitbulls", and then these Frankenstien breeders could do the same thing for Rottweilers, Akitas, Chows, etc. I look at this as an inherent problem caused by people and not the base breed. The dog that killed this poor man was light years removed from any strain Petey of the 1930's or Sgt. Stubby of WWI.
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And this is part of the reason I detest backyard breeders. And we have them right here on TexAgs.
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I've had pits for 20 years. I buried my soul dog in 2021, and I refrained from making a thread here for how hateful some of you can be.

She never made a bark nor a growl at anyone. My newish rescue pit is the same way. When my daughter is at my house, I do not exist. She loves kids more than me. They are called "nanny" dogs for a reason.

Weenies and chihuahuas have more bites on children than pit bulls, yet there's never a thread on TA calling for their ban and euthanasia.

You boomers and nerds need something else to be hateful towards.




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theJonatron said:

I've had pits for 20 years. I buried my soul dog in 2021, and I refrained from making a thread here for how hateful some of you can be.

She never made a bark nor a growl at anyone. My newish rescue pit is the same way. When my daughter is at my house, I do not exist. She loves kids more than me. They are called "nanny" dogs for a reason.

Weenies and chihuahuas have more bites on children than pit bulls, yet there's never a thread on TA calling for their ban and euthanasia.

You boomers and nerds need something else to be hateful towards.

So a Chihuahua's bite is equal to a Pit Bull's ?
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Rattler12 said:

So a Chihuahua's bite is equal to a Pit Bull's ?



Not at all. My punch is also not equal to a toddlers. I am 1000x less likely to hit you than a toddler is but 1000x more capable of separating you from your teeth if I do. We haven't banned toddlers or men yet, although I am pretty dure Pelosi is working on that bill as we speak.

That's why upstream in this thread I used the gun analogy and made the statement that people should not own a pitbull if they don't know what they are doing.

I would be all for some sort of licensing or restrictions for ownership, but it would be unenforceable due to people coming up with varieties and sub breeds.
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EliteElectric said:

Rattler12 said:

So a Chihuahua's bite is equal to a Pit Bull's ?



Not at all. My punch is also not equal to a toddlers. I am 1000x less likely to hit you than a toddler is but 1000x more capable of separating you from your teeth if I do. We haven't banned toddlers or men yet, although I am pretty dure Pelosi is working on that bill as we speak.

That's why upstream in this thread I used the gun analogy and made the statement that people should not own a pitbull if they don't know what they are doing.

I would be all for some sort of licensing or restrictions for ownership, but it would be unenforceable due to people coming up with varieties and sub breeds.

I was being abit facetious
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maroon barchetta said:

And this is part of the reason I detest backyard breeders. And we have them right here on TexAgs.


I 100% agree with your sentiments on this.
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maroon barchetta said:

Elderly man with dementia, killed by his daughter's pit bull, who had attacked a Meals On Wheels worker and a home healthcare worker in the past.

https://www.kbtx.com/2026/06/17/daughter-charged-after-78-year-old-father-with-dementia-killed-pit-bull-attack/?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=organicclicks&tbref=hp


Pretty impressive. Only two years old and two previous attacks.

Am I the only one who had a serious issue with this statement from the article?

"We have a dog that has shown aggression and a dog owner who has done the best she can to deal with that situation," said Sandra Lee, her attorney.

I would argue she definitely did not do the best she could.
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maverick12 said:


I would argue she definitely did not do the best she could.

100%
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BrazosDog02 said:

10pm…anything after 10pm if you're out….thats on you.


No, its not on you. Some people work weird hours. Some people have things come up -- events they have to attend, people in the hospital they need to visit, etc.

This isn't teenagers out past midnight on the roads doing nothing but being bait for drunk drivers. Pit Bulls roaming free is not a known danger.
 
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