ridiculous post.EliteElectric said:
Guns, automobiles and my wife when I make a mess are all dangerous as well. Ban em. Ban everything!!!!
Safety moms unite!
Pit Bulls Strike Again!
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And I appreciate he family history but it's time to let it go.EliteElectric said:Rattler12 said:EliteElectric said:Rattler12 said:
An honest question......what is the reasoning behind a person wanting a pit bull as opposed to other breeds of dog?
Can't answer that, because I was born in the 70's and have never owned another breed. I bet hog hunters have a good answer for you though.
I kinda doubt that the vast majority of pit bulls are owned by hog hunters
They are not. I can honestly say, as a person whose grandfather bred these dogs from the 1940's until his passing in 1988, and we still own them to this day, that 90% of the public should not own these dogs. They do not play well with other dogs. That said it is not the dogs problem, it's the lack of understanding of the breed by macho types who want to be a tough guy with their pets.
This is a pitbull-
These are not-
From a purely technical genetic perspective, when you take a working dog (historically) and start breeding it for head size and girth you get a dog with problems. Anytime a dog is bred for looks instead of performance you have problems.
I hate that "America's dog" of the last century has turned into an ego extension for felons. Unfortunately that's where we are. Most people argue with us that our dogs are not "purebred" pit bulls because they are not obese or aggressive enough lol
My grandfather for reference a few years before I was born
I applaude this. I have the same policy. Refuse to be around them or expose my family to them.gigemJTH12 said:
one of my 8 year olds best friends has two pit bulls. he is not allowed to go to their house.
They have asked multiple times and we have just played the excuse card.
I told my wife eventually I will just have to tell the dad. I dont care. I am just assuming he will take it the wrong way. Oh well.
I adopted a mutt from the pound, not a pit bull. She was a great dog. An aggressive dog next door started barking at her one day and digging under the fence. My dog stuck her head under the fence. The other dog bit and killed my dog before we could stop it. My kids watched.
Want to know what that killer was?
Screw put bulls.
Want to know what that killer was?
Screw put bulls.
EliteElectric said:
Naw bro nowhere close you apparently either didn't read my post or were just super happy you found thank dank ass meme and couldn't control yourself.
LOL, you're the poster child for that "dank ass meme" (which sounds EXACTLY like how a typical pit owner would talk). You've checked off 3 or 4 boxes right off the bat.
And sorry to burst your bubble "bro", but I've used that meme for years on this site. You ain't special.
Here we go. Page two.
I'm going with 4 pages, 2 bans.
I'm going with 4 pages, 2 bans.
I've only had two serious bites in my career. Lady comes in and asks if I can give her German Shepherd a Rabies shot out in her car. I go out and don't see the dog. She opens the trunk and out pops the Shepherd... jumps on me and bites me on the rib cage. Fortunately the dog was tied to the spare tire.
The second one was a Rottweiler on a leash. I shook hands with the owner and the dog reached out and got all four canine teeth into my lower leg. I pounded the dog on the head to get him off and told the owner not to bring him back unless it was to put him to sleep. There are a few pits that I'm afraid of but they are in the minority. As a breed I don't trust any Cane Corso.
The second one was a Rottweiler on a leash. I shook hands with the owner and the dog reached out and got all four canine teeth into my lower leg. I pounded the dog on the head to get him off and told the owner not to bring him back unless it was to put him to sleep. There are a few pits that I'm afraid of but they are in the minority. As a breed I don't trust any Cane Corso.
I've been bitten by a GS as a small child. And as an adult, multiple times by my own dogs breaking up fights. Once by a friends little yappy dog. When I walked in his house, this little terrier of sorts ran in from the living room and clamped down on my leg. Bled like a stuck pig. I stuffed some neosporin in the punctures and moved on with life. It's a dog and they were also rescues. Dogs don't cause me any fear and I think they pick up on that when they meet you for the first time. Be cool, be calm, and mostly it will be alright.
That said, I'm ok with it in certain situations where I understand the issue. If they bite and release, well, whatever. If they don't then I don't think I'd have a problem dispatching them if it was within my means in the moment. Can't just let them go to town.
That said, I'm ok with it in certain situations where I understand the issue. If they bite and release, well, whatever. If they don't then I don't think I'd have a problem dispatching them if it was within my means in the moment. Can't just let them go to town.
what is your point?BrazosDog02 said:
I've been bitten by a GS as a small child. And as an adult, multiple times by my own dogs breaking up fights. Once by a friends little yappy dog. When I walked in his house, this little terrier of sorts ran in from the living room and clamped down on my leg. Bled like a stuck pig. I stuffed some neosporin in the punctures and moved on with life. It's a dog and they were also rescues. Dogs don't cause me any fear and I think they pick up on that when they meet you for the first time. Be cool, be calm, and mostly it will be alright.
maroonblood90 said:BrazosDog02 said:
I've been bitten by a GS as a small child. And as an adult, multiple times by my own dogs breaking up fights. Once by a friends little yappy dog. When I walked in his house, this little terrier of sorts ran in from the living room and clamped down on my leg. Bled like a stuck pig. I stuffed some neosporin in the punctures and moved on with life. It's a dog and they were also rescues. Dogs don't cause me any fear and I think they pick up on that when they meet you for the first time. Be cool, be calm, and mostly it will be alright.
what is your point?
Dogs do what dogs do.
Domesticated animals are a product of their environment. Much like people, they only behave in the manner in which they were trained or allowed to behave.
I have never met a bad dog, just bad people.
If a dog is proven to be a biter it should be put down, period.
Pit bulls and Chows should all be put down. Chows are nuts.
LarryLayman said:
If a dog is proven to be a biter it should be put down, period.
Like i said, more stupid people that are bad with dogs than bad dogs. You do what you need to do with your own animals. If you don't possess the knowledge, 'give a damn', or experience to train or maintain your animal, you shouldn't be allowed to have it in the first place.
We have had an RV park for 12 years or so and from the beginning have not allowed pits, rotts, and other dog breeds like them. My experience has been that not only do you not want those dogs on your property, you also don't want those who own them as a tenant.
When they call, you almost always know the pit owner. They will ask if we are pet friendly. I say it depends on the pet. (Translated, they are asking if we will allow their pit.) They will use terms like "pittie" or "pit mix" or something to try to soften the word they do not want to utter. Had one lady tell me she had a lab, shows up with a pit with a head as big as a five gallon bucket and chest wider than mine. Many of them will say "he's just a big old baby" and almost all will say he or she is an "inside" dog. I ask how long it took to train it to sit on the toilet and does it flush it or do they have to flush for it.
When they call, you almost always know the pit owner. They will ask if we are pet friendly. I say it depends on the pet. (Translated, they are asking if we will allow their pit.) They will use terms like "pittie" or "pit mix" or something to try to soften the word they do not want to utter. Had one lady tell me she had a lab, shows up with a pit with a head as big as a five gallon bucket and chest wider than mine. Many of them will say "he's just a big old baby" and almost all will say he or she is an "inside" dog. I ask how long it took to train it to sit on the toilet and does it flush it or do they have to flush for it.
maroonblood90 said:what is your point?BrazosDog02 said:
I've been bitten by a GS as a small child. And as an adult, multiple times by my own dogs breaking up fights. Once by a friends little yappy dog. When I walked in his house, this little terrier of sorts ran in from the living room and clamped down on my leg. Bled like a stuck pig. I stuffed some neosporin in the punctures and moved on with life. It's a dog and they were also rescues. Dogs don't cause me any fear and I think they pick up on that when they meet you for the first time. Be cool, be calm, and mostly it will be alright.
First time reading a BrazosDog post?
BrazosDog02 said:LarryLayman said:
If a dog is proven to be a biter it should be put down, period.
Like i said, more stupid people that are bad with dogs than bad dogs. You do what you need to do with your own animals. If you don't possess the knowledge, 'give a damn', or experience to train or maintain your animal, you shouldn't be allowed to have it in the first place.
I am not talking about my own animals, I am talking about anyones animal.
With all due respect intended, by that logic lots of dogs would be put down needlessly.
My dad was the first K-9 in his county in the late 1960's. He raised and trained literally hundreds of dogs in the next 35 years. I grew up around many of those dogs and watched the training and discipline.
In those days they used German Shepherds, Rottweilers and Dobermans for aggressive work and Labs and Goldens for search and scent training. Later on in his career he used strictly Malinois and German Shepherds.
They quit using Rottweilers and Dobermans as they had instances of them turning on their handlers.
Watching and learning from my dad, I came to the realization to the fact that just about any dog can be made or pushed to bite given the right circumstances.
My dad was the first K-9 in his county in the late 1960's. He raised and trained literally hundreds of dogs in the next 35 years. I grew up around many of those dogs and watched the training and discipline.
In those days they used German Shepherds, Rottweilers and Dobermans for aggressive work and Labs and Goldens for search and scent training. Later on in his career he used strictly Malinois and German Shepherds.
They quit using Rottweilers and Dobermans as they had instances of them turning on their handlers.
Watching and learning from my dad, I came to the realization to the fact that just about any dog can be made or pushed to bite given the right circumstances.
TAMU Wildlife and Fisheries Sciences
Boat racing is like a beautiful woman.......expensive, high maintenance, but well worth the fun!
Boat racing is like a beautiful woman.......expensive, high maintenance, but well worth the fun!
maroonblood90 said:EliteElectric said:
Naw bro nowhere close you apparently either didn't read my post or were just super happy you found thank dank ass meme and couldn't control yourself.
I think you are an idiot to try to defend pit bulls. Here is no reason for the breed. I have never seen a news article describing a dog mauling where a pit bull was not the perp.
Just like we have never seen a news article talking about a shooting where the gun wasn't an AR or an AK "full automatic semi assault rifle with extra clips!"
Using news articles as a reasoning is pretty thin IMO because every dog that isn't a labradoodle is automatically a "pit bull".
Just about any dog, regardless of breed, that is treated poorly and/or neglected and allowed to run free will be a problem in my experience. Pits included.
maroon barchetta said:maroonblood90 said:BrazosDog02 said:
I've been bitten by a GS as a small child. And as an adult, multiple times by my own dogs breaking up fights. Once by a friends little yappy dog. When I walked in his house, this little terrier of sorts ran in from the living room and clamped down on my leg. Bled like a stuck pig. I stuffed some neosporin in the punctures and moved on with life. It's a dog and they were also rescues. Dogs don't cause me any fear and I think they pick up on that when they meet you for the first time. Be cool, be calm, and mostly it will be alright.
what is your point?
First time reading a BrazosDog post?
BrazosDog02 said:maroon barchetta said:maroonblood90 said:BrazosDog02 said:
I've been bitten by a GS as a small child. And as an adult, multiple times by my own dogs breaking up fights. Once by a friends little yappy dog. When I walked in his house, this little terrier of sorts ran in from the living room and clamped down on my leg. Bled like a stuck pig. I stuffed some neosporin in the punctures and moved on with life. It's a dog and they were also rescues. Dogs don't cause me any fear and I think they pick up on that when they meet you for the first time. Be cool, be calm, and mostly it will be alright.
what is your point?
First time reading a BrazosDog post?
Cohen Bros rock...
SteveBott said:
2 plus pages, I'd do that as a over/under.
Trivia question: which breed are responsible for most bites in a Austin study years ago?
Answer: Lovable Labs.
Pits have a normal dog bite ratio to other breeds for the most part. But here is the problem….
They have an incredibly strong bite force. Much greater than 90% of all breeds.
They bite and hold/tear at their target much greater fervency than other breeds.
They are very aggressive when in a pack.
A Lab will bite and be done, a Pit will kill you.
Pits are not welcome on my property. Ever.
We have a lab pit mix. I am posting this from the afterlife because I'm dead.
Every pit death thread OP should be required to include the obligatory "it's the owner, not the breed" and "heres my sweet baby that would never hurt a fly".
Pit owners never disappoint.
Pit owners never disappoint.
BrazosDog02 said:maroonblood90 said:BrazosDog02 said:
I've been bitten by a GS as a small child. And as an adult, multiple times by my own dogs breaking up fights. Once by a friends little yappy dog. When I walked in his house, this little terrier of sorts ran in from the living room and clamped down on my leg. Bled like a stuck pig. I stuffed some neosporin in the punctures and moved on with life. It's a dog and they were also rescues. Dogs don't cause me any fear and I think they pick up on that when they meet you for the first time. Be cool, be calm, and mostly it will be alright.
what is your point?
Dogs do what dogs do.
Domesticated animals are a product of their environment. Much like people, they only behave in the manner in which they were trained or allowed to behave.
I have never met a bad dog, just bad people.
Let me catch up here. You are completely glossing over the main point ... Pit Bulls are a breed that cannot be trusted and are not necessary. I've heard countless stories of the "loveable" family pit bull that would never hurt anyone and then mauls/kills a kid. I have never heard that about another breed. You can continue to argue your disjointed logic while I pray you are never a victim of your own ignorance.
NRH ag 10 said:SteveBott said:
2 plus pages, I'd do that as a over/under.
Trivia question: which breed are responsible for most bites in a Austin study years ago?
Answer: Lovable Labs.
Pits have a normal dog bite ratio to other breeds for the most part. But here is the problem….
They have an incredibly strong bite force. Much greater than 90% of all breeds.
They bite and hold/tear at their target much greater fervency than other breeds.
They are very aggressive when in a pack.
A Lab will bite and be done, a Pit will kill you.
Pits are not welcome on my property. Ever.
We have a lab pit mix. I am posting this from the afterlife because I'm dead.
And I hope no children around that dog.
schmellba99 said:maroonblood90 said:EliteElectric said:
Naw bro nowhere close you apparently either didn't read my post or were just super happy you found thank dank ass meme and couldn't control yourself.
I think you are an idiot to try to defend pit bulls. Here is no reason for the breed. I have never seen a news article describing a dog mauling where a pit bull was not the perp.
Just like we have never seen a news article talking about a shooting where the gun wasn't an AR or an AK "full automatic semi assault rifle with extra clips!"
Using news articles as a reasoning is pretty thin IMO because every dog that isn't a labradoodle is automatically a "pit bull".
Just about any dog, regardless of breed, that is treated poorly and/or neglected and allowed to run free will be a problem in my experience. Pits included.
Actually not even the same thing. What about the pit bulls that are not treated poorly that still kill people? There seems to be a news story every month or so. So yes, I stand by it. Have never heard of a labradoodle mauling and killing anyone. Have you?
Gunny456 said:
With all due respect intended, by that logic lots of dogs would be put down needlessly.
My dad was the first K-9 in his county in the late 1960's. He raised and trained literally hundreds of dogs in the next 35 years. I grew up around many of those dogs and watched the training and discipline.
In those days they used German Shepherds, Rottweilers and Dobermans for aggressive work and Labs and Goldens for search and scent training. Later on in his career he used strictly Malinois and German Shepherds.
They quit using Rottweilers and Dobermans as they had instances of them turning on their handlers.
Watching and learning from my dad, I came to the realization to the fact that just about any dog can be made or pushed to bite given the right circumstances.
Gunny - this post mentions many dog breeds but not pit bulls. Just interested in his experience with that breed. My feelings on this topic are well known at this point.
Yes sir. Good question. Through all his years in LE and working with the dogs he was very partial to German Shepherds, Malinois, Labs and Goldens. However my dad was a dog person. He liked all dogs...but he said dogs were usually a product of their environment of how they are raised and cared for, and how they were trained from the minute they opened their eyes forward. He would have agreed with Brazos that there are instances where people cause bad dogs and not always the fault of the dog....as man is who has bred them.
With that being said there was one breed he did not ever contemplate for police work and that was pit bulls. As a LEO he did not like pit bulls. The reason he gave was that he made too many calls from folks being hurt by them.....but he also said that in many instances it was the owners of the dogs that were to blame and he felt sorry for the dog sometimes.
He preached that people have to take responsibility for caring for their dogs the minute they get them till they pass away...and they should never chose a breed based on ego or how macho or cool they may think it makes them look.
However he also said he made lots of calls from folks being bitten by dogs or hurt by horses, mules, bulls etc. from being just plumb dumb and not understanding that, at the end of the day, animals are animals and all can, at some time, be unpredictable in total behavior and folks should have common sense to realize and respect them at all times.
I.E. ..walking up behind a horse....taking for fools thought they wont be kicked. Or reaching down to a dog you don't know....whether that be a toy poodle or great dane.....its just common sense sometimes.
I know I would never own a pit bull myself....but that's just my opinion.
With that being said there was one breed he did not ever contemplate for police work and that was pit bulls. As a LEO he did not like pit bulls. The reason he gave was that he made too many calls from folks being hurt by them.....but he also said that in many instances it was the owners of the dogs that were to blame and he felt sorry for the dog sometimes.
He preached that people have to take responsibility for caring for their dogs the minute they get them till they pass away...and they should never chose a breed based on ego or how macho or cool they may think it makes them look.
However he also said he made lots of calls from folks being bitten by dogs or hurt by horses, mules, bulls etc. from being just plumb dumb and not understanding that, at the end of the day, animals are animals and all can, at some time, be unpredictable in total behavior and folks should have common sense to realize and respect them at all times.
I.E. ..walking up behind a horse....taking for fools thought they wont be kicked. Or reaching down to a dog you don't know....whether that be a toy poodle or great dane.....its just common sense sometimes.
I know I would never own a pit bull myself....but that's just my opinion.
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Boat racing is like a beautiful woman.......expensive, high maintenance, but well worth the fun!
Boat racing is like a beautiful woman.......expensive, high maintenance, but well worth the fun!
Side note... i just adopted a dog this spring. It was the only dog in the shelter that wasn't obviously a pit bull mix. Pits can out compete most dogs for breeding rights. They polute the whole species...
It's kind of amazing how many dogs in shelters are "pit bull" mixes. Why are they winding up in shelters in the first place....hmmmmm.....
About 8 years ago I was ready for a new dog after my Lab passed. Every rescue or shelter had 90% pit/mix for adoption. I grew discouraged after awhile because I refused to have a pit in my house
maroonblood90 said:NRH ag 10 said:SteveBott said:
2 plus pages, I'd do that as a over/under.
Trivia question: which breed are responsible for most bites in a Austin study years ago?
Answer: Lovable Labs.
Pits have a normal dog bite ratio to other breeds for the most part. But here is the problem….
They have an incredibly strong bite force. Much greater than 90% of all breeds.
They bite and hold/tear at their target much greater fervency than other breeds.
They are very aggressive when in a pack.
A Lab will bite and be done, a Pit will kill you.
Pits are not welcome on my property. Ever.
We have a lab pit mix. I am posting this from the afterlife because I'm dead.
And I hope no children around that dog.
Soon.
Please set your arrogance aside and rethink.
Rattler12 said:
It's kind of amazing how many dogs in shelters are "pit bull" mixes. Why are they winding up in shelters in the first place....hmmmmm.....
You don't really know what's in the shelter. I don't know any shelters that use "pit bull mix" because they are harder to adopt like that. We don't use German Shepherd, Doberman, Pit Bull, etc….in fact 95% of them are labeled lab mix or terrier mix.
They get "whatever other dog it looks like that's non-triggering" + "mix".
The black dog in the post above at the shelters we work with is a "Lab Mix"….thats it.
The fact is you don't know what mix it is unless it's for sure….
My anecdotal experience is this with probably 500+ dog bites taken care of in the ED.
95% of dog bites I take care of in the ED are pits.
Nearly 100% of what any person would consider "unprovoked bites" are from pits.
Every single dog bite from a regular dog breed (I.e. not pit or other fighting dog) has been provoked.
Nearly all of the ones that are bad enough go to surgery are pitbull bites. One of the exceptions was a cane corso who ****ed up a full grown woman for picking up the food bowl to refill it. If you ever wondered how the Roman's hunted bears with dogs, go look at a cane corso.
95% of dog bites I take care of in the ED are pits.
Nearly 100% of what any person would consider "unprovoked bites" are from pits.
Every single dog bite from a regular dog breed (I.e. not pit or other fighting dog) has been provoked.
Nearly all of the ones that are bad enough go to surgery are pitbull bites. One of the exceptions was a cane corso who ****ed up a full grown woman for picking up the food bowl to refill it. If you ever wondered how the Roman's hunted bears with dogs, go look at a cane corso.
Well, I am not ignorant. for example I know what are common ly called pit bulls are terriers. Shelters label them as terrier mixes. They are telling the truth.
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