Haha, I'd fly right seat in just about anything just to fly. I love it in the air.

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Haha, I'd fly right seat in just about anything just to fly. I love it in the air.

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Likewise!

I may have to go fly this evening...

Centex99 said:

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src94 said:

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Haha, I'd fly right seat in just about anything just to fly. I love it in the air.

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Likewise!

I may have to go fly this evening...

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I'm getting recurrent @ 1600 today! Whoop.

Congrats!!

Ask her if she's read Boyd: the fighter pilot that changed the art of war

He was a big part of how and why the Viper happened

I like stalls.

Pretty stoked about spins in UPT

Freaking Ag-Cat!

Solo after 25 hrs. meaning my instructor let me park the plane by myself.

Solo after 40 hrs. in the plane. Took me 85 hrs. to get my license on the second try.

Have flown all over the USA, instrument rated and love flying with over 2000 hrs.

Flying is the only way to travel and even better if you have the dollars to own and maintain ownership n airplane.

Anybody have a recommendation for an online logbook app (iPhone/iPad)? Or ones to avoid?

I have used myflightbook.com, but have pretty much moved over to the one in Foreflight. Makes it really easy to log when half of the information is already in there!

Just found this thread also. Got my PPL in '77 and bought a Cherokee 180 same year. Got my comm/Instr ticket the next year, but had to give it up. Haven't flown in years, but wish I had an "excuse" to. Plan to get back into it with a bush plane in Alaska within the next two years, so if anyone has any connections in that area, let me know.

Outdoors Board group buy?

https://amarillo.craigslist.org/avo/d/edmond-piper-j3-cub/6812513624.html

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1946 Piper J-3 Cub. Continental A65-8 engine. Hand prop; no starter. Yes, it is a "tail dragger". Needs to be recovered. Not quite a "barn find" but almost. Last annual done in 2014. Total time, 5832. Tach time 2278. Engine overhauled by Bela's in 1988. Total time since major, less than 50 hours! Engine has been run and aircraft flown on a private strip since 1988. Lift struts replaced 2007. One main tire replaced in 2004. Comes with another new tire. Aluminum wing spar. Always hangered. Located in the Greenville TX area. Priced at $25K Text 405-209- six 430

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He's advertising it up here in Wichita too! It would make a nice toy. Recovering is a major PITA though.

50 hours SMOH? Throw in an ADS-B and I'm in!

So that engine has 50 hours on it since 1988? I'd almost want an overhaul before I flew it.

You'd be upside down in that Cub as soon as you wrote the check. I'd ballpark it needing $50k worth of work easy if you had a shop do all the work.

Full Disclosure I am not a pilot, just a huge aviation buff.

Curious about your concerns about KIWS. I have a buddy that has a hanger and I get to spend a good bit of time there. Really enjoy interacting with a lot of the pilots and watching the takeoffs & Landings.

Anyone in B/CS looking to partner up in buying one?

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You'd be upside down in that Cub as soon as you wrote the check. I'd ballpark it needing $50k worth of work easy if you had a shop do all the work.

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I'm not doubting you, but I'd like to know more.

Obviously it needs an annual and a recover. What does it cost to recover? Annual? And do you think the engine should be gone through again? What else?

Full disclosure: I'm not buying it, nor anything like it. Just curious.

CanyonAg77 said:

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CenterHillAg said:

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You'd be upside down in that Cub as soon as you wrote the check. I'd ballpark it needing $50k worth of work easy if you had a shop do all the work.

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I'm not doubting you, but I'd like to know more.

Obviously it needs an annual and a recover. What does it cost to recover? Annual? And do you think the engine should be gone through again? What else?

Full disclosure: I'm not buying it, nor anything like it. Just curious.

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Labor plus materials for a shop to do a recover: $30k minimum. I've worked on 3 Piper recovers and there is an insane amount of labor, I believe 400 hrs is the average for my buddy's shop. I'm friends with one of the best fabric guys in the nation, I doubt he'd do a recover for less than $50k. On a plane that old that has sat that much, I'd be inspecting/replacing every wearable item, restoring/replacing all metal parts, and there will plenty of project creep while you have the plane open. Probably worth hauling to a shop to put in a jig too, if they say it has no accident history they're lying. It's a Cub, they all have damage.

The engine has set way too much since rebuild, and I doubt it has been pickled. At a minimum it needs to be opened up and inspected, at worst a $15k overhaul may be needed. Personally I'd put a C85 or C90 on it if the A65 needs more than just an inspection, more power for similar maintenance prices.

Paperwork/annual other upgrades or repairs will add up in a hurry too. It has the original drum brakes which are hard to find parts for, you'd be much better off to put a set of disc brakes on. Interior/instruments etc. I'm sure the cowlings could use some help, as well as the gas tank. These projects are huge to take on, many people end up never completing them. That's another $10k before you know it.

At the end of the day, you have $75k+ in a plane worth $40-50k if it's a good restoration. The Piper community is a small world, many people know these planes well and can spot a bad apple. I don't think this is a bad plane, it's just listed about $15k too high in my opinion. As Aero said, someone would be much better off buying one currently flying.

Thanks!

Glad to see a bump in this thread. Cubs are a dream plane of mine. Right behind a Phenom 300!

I was kidding about the SMOH. I thought that might be clear with the ADS-B remark.

And thanks for your response, too.

One of my good friends bought a Piper Pacer years ago and ended up getting a bit snookered on the deal. During his first annual inspection he uncovered undisclosed/unrepaired/hidden damage that snowballed into a ground-up restoration. About 4 years later he had a great flying new airplane that even won an award at Oshkosh. Not even counting his labor he took a 40+k bath when he sold a few years later. And that was getting perhaps twice the average price for one! This Cub would be similar I'm afraid, but at least it is a nostalgic plane that someone might over pay for!

I agree with all the details outlined above. The engine might be OK if it was pickled, or just lucky sitting in a dry climate. But it is still a low power engine when the higher power versions are desired, and they don't really hurt the nostalgia factor. An industrious buyer could do a restoration like my friend and earn an A&P license along the way instead of spending equivalent money on a formal class...that helps rationalize such a purchase that gets upside down quickly.

(Twelve years of aircraft ownership makes me an expert at rationalization!)

Congrats!!! Where are you training? I flew thru two MOAs on Friday and got to see some T-6's in the wild. (One flight of two decided to halfway intercept but stayed high)

This is correct. I have restored from ground up two aircraft. One was a L-2 Taylorcraft and the other was a Interstate L-6. Both WWII era L-Birds. What I "thought" I could do them for was always well under what reality was. I had the help of Hardy Cannon (now deceased) at Cannon Field in SA and did lots of the work myself with him watching.
To strip and recover a J-3 with Ceconite is very labor intensive and materials have gone sky high. The frame will probably need to be stripped and reprimed and painted with epoxy. Then the recover then the paint for the recover.
And when you have it torn down you will always find all the other bugs as well.
Ditto on the engine sitting that long.....not good for them.
The Piper L-4 of WWII was nothing but a military version of the J-3 Cub. I owned a L-4 for a year. The little 65 HP Continental is ok for two light people but if you put two 200-250 ole boys in one with a full tank of fuel on a hot Texas day it is very underpowered as density altitude can sneak up on you real quick.
The coolest bird is the Interstate L-6.....had a STC for it that allowed a Lycoming 0320 to be put on it and it made a great bird with flight characteristics that exceeded the Piper Super Cub. After WWII Interstate was sold to the Arctic Aircraft Company in Anchorage. They continued to build the L-6 airframe using either a Lycoming 0320 or 0360 (160 HP.) Called it the Arctic-Turn and it was a great bush plane that had a higher airspeed than the Super Cub and shorter take off and landing capabilities than the Super Cub as well.
There are only 5 L-6's left in flying condition in the U.S. Not many built during the war as it was produced with a Franklin 100HP geared engine that was a maintenance nightmare and the Army Air Corp did not purchase many.
But put a Lycoming 0320 on it and oh man!
If you ease the stick back on it real slow and pull the throttle to idle it will not break over into a full stall.....it will just kinda flutter down....really a safe bird for a tail dragger.
And only real pilots fly tail draggers!

Nice looking bird man. I had a Piper Warrior for many years and wish I would have never sold it.
Again...nice looking bird...obviously well taken care off!

Congrats!

And for those asking, the tail code is CB, so Columbus, MS.

It does not stand for Charlie Brown.



And Charlie, let me know if there's still a T-6 with "Race" on the cockpit. I don't know how often they change the name, but daughter was in the 41st and had her name on one for a while.

Like canyon said I'm in Columbus

Some IPs definitely let us fly a little more aggressively to visitors in the MOA ha I'm sure it's probably less fun on the other side