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I also think they would last longer if they started in the Spring instead of Fall because Winter rolling in always seems to reduce the food supply pretty fast.

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As cool as it would be for us, I don't think the producers want the competition to last 200 days. The camera and support crew logistics would have to be tripled at a minimum based on a couple of people like the final four in this season.

Coming into winter separates the contestants pretty fast.

I would intentionally choice a location that is going to start out with lots of fish and small game, but drop to damn near nothing due to fall migration. Something where they are borderline forced to watch as large flock fly away.

Something with lots of venomous snakes around would be fun. Large predators get into the psyche a lot of competitors, but the potential for highly venomous snakes could take it to a whole new level. I'm thinking parts of China or India.

Granted, I think Kamchatka would be cool too, but very similar to the previous season visually.

Season 4 in Australia would be awesome, but that's way more dangerous, crocs, snakes, and spiders that are all scary as hell. Would need people with tons of experience to consider that though.

IMO next season should have at least some sustained food sources. agree that a migration away from one food source (per ursus post) would be good, but this essentially turned into a starvation contest given they weren't permitted to hunt rodents, and even the rare deer in the area were off limits. the contestant with the biggest fat reserves at the beginning held out the longest.

not sure its possible to pick a location like that but the last couple episodes were not that interesting as we waited to see who would starve the fastest.

You need folks with little survival skills.

No food source like this season = a starvation contest.

Make a good source semi-readily available and you'll have folks out there forever.

Congrats to Fowler. He won by tko.

I want to see them do this in the jungle where instead of winter, the rainy season comes.

Tony Franklins Shoe said:

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Fairview said:

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I also think they would last longer if they started in the Spring instead of Fall because Winter rolling in always seems to reduce the food supply pretty fast.

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As cool as it would be for us, I don't think the producers want the competition to last 200 days. The camera and support crew logistics would have to be tripled at a minimum based on a couple of people like the final four in this season.

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I agree. Pain in the ass for them but I think it would be interesting to see what the mental effects are at 120 or 180 days. Would they settle in or go crazy? Right now the same formula just keeps replaying.

Hopefully they do change it up in other ways like others have suggested (rainforest or something) since having them last significantly longer isn't happening.

Yeah. I suggested that it might come down to medical tap outs. It did. Sucks, really.

This show really illustrates how far removed modern society is from primitive living.

We have superior tools for fishing and hunting, unlimited knowledge of shelter building and skills such as fishing, hunting, and gathering. Why is it we cannot thrive, or even survive? I wonder if its the security of knowing they can call a sat phone and immediately go back to the comforts of modern living. If this were an all out survival situation, perhaps the approach to surviving would be different?

If not for guns and germs, the Comanches would have kicked our asses out of the US.

Alone is a game with parameters. True survival wouldn't keep you in a small area that each of them have to remain in. I'm fairly certain most of the contestants would be perfectly fine if they didn't have producers limiting them for the sake good TV.

True, but would kill the psychological pressure of boredom. I like the psychological pressure aspect.

dave99ag said:

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Alone is a game with parameters. True survival wouldn't keep you in a small area that each of them have to remain in. I'm fairly certain most of the contestants would be perfectly fine if they didn't have producers limiting them for the sake good TV.

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Good point. But I wondered why most of them hardly moved from the same fishing spot when I thought the rules stated you could...

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Alone is a game with parameters. True survival wouldn't keep you in a small area that each of them have to remain in. I'm fairly certain most of the contestants would be perfectly fine if they didn't have producers limiting them for the sake good TV.

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I also think having to lug around cameras and set up shots takes a considerable amount of time and energy. Remove that and assuming in a real survival scenario there would be no limits on what game you could take, I think they do much better.

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Alone is a game with parameters. True survival wouldn't keep you in a small area that each of them have to remain in. I'm fairly certain most of the contestants would be perfectly fine if they didn't have producers limiting them for the sake good TV.

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Good point. But I wondered why most of them hardly moved from the same fishing spot when I thought the rules stated you could...

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Most of them were pretty much locked in to one area due to terrain. They might have a few hundred yards of lakefront to choose from and that's it.

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If this were an all out survival situation, perhaps the approach to surviving would be different?

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That endangered deer wandering around would be toast. As would the wild hogs, geese and fox.
I don't believe for a second that those folks who survived out there for months did not have the ability to catch or kill those creatures.

Bait the hogs with fish guts, shoot with bow. Same with the fox.
Gather seeds, bait geese & kill with judo points, a bola or even a stick.
Set out 25 drop lines of varying lengths & depths, bait with grubs.

Instead these folks made chairs, drums, chess sets and carved out enough wooden cutlery to stock Bed Bath & Beyond.

It's pretty easy to armchair quarterback these things, but I think they were under "orders" to starve.

I was impressed with their ability to gather local forage though. I'm assuming they were either instructed on that prior to going out or had forehand knowledge of where they were going so they could study.

Never been there, but I know enough botany that when they pan there were plants that peaked my interest. Knowledge of plants is a good thing.

There are some basics for sure that are pretty easy. Oaks, Pines, most grasses, thistles, mallows, dandelions, cattails are some that everyone should know. These folks were chowing on fungi which is waaay outta my comfort level. Maybe if I studied them it wouldnt seem so impressive. I have a fear of going full Chavez in Young Guns. I don't wanna see giant chickens.

I think you're disqualified if ya go in to the spirit world.

I am bored with the people they select. Outdoorsy, survivalists, instructors, people who live in cold climates....

Let's get some regular people in...Like a middle manager for Exxon, or the walmart door greeter, or the cashier at REI. I want to see what people with little or basic skills can do to survive with the carrot of 500k having in front of them. I want to see something more akin to true survival from people who actually could end up in that situation. They have had a few prior service people....That doesn't impress at all.

prize money is too high. You have 1/2 a million on the line, people are going to stay until they starve literally. I think a lower sum, that is nice, but not too much would make a difference.

Then put the people I said and make the prize 800k. I want more entertainment. Starvation is boring.

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Then put the people I said and make the prize 800k. I want more entertainment. Starvation is boring.

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Increase the number to 20 people in your example, give them more resources and a smaller area where they might have interaction. Now it's a real competition for food sources and shelter. Have random cameras hidden in the woods to disqualify any of them working together.

There is something fascinating for me when they are experience, but I see your angle of making it like joe computer programmer having to deal with Mama Nature.

I've taken a bunch of those type of people in the woods, and most wouldn't last more than a week. Even the folks who pretty well know what they were doing made periodic mistakes. You'd probably end up with more creative means of having medical evacuations.

I like the steady decline in food resources. Then again, the skills aspect does little for me, but I do like the psychological pressure.

They should do a hybrid between Naked and Afraid and Alone. Say half the gear of Alone, but the locations of Naked and Afraid....plus a set of clothing. Granted, they might not be filming very long.

I wonder if any of the producers for Alone worked with Les Stroud and his Survivorman show. Similar concept except Les only had to go a week.

dave99ag said:

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I wonder if any of the producers for Alone worked with Les Stroud and his Survivorman show. Similar concept except Les only had to go a week.

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The one where he was somewhere above the arctic circle was hilarious. Dude made a crappy igloo and ended up so delirious his plan to get food was to set a bone next to him, wait for a bird, and then grab it.